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[thatguy212]

I feel sorry for Bioware too, what with their millions of dollars and their hot voice actress and their worldwide success...

[FieryDove]

underhill1990 wrote...

all these nerd ragers need to stfu

I agree...so you'll be quiet now yes? Thank you.

Stalky24 wrote...
I would like to know how would ME fans reacted if BW decided to not include Shepard as PC in ME3

Not possible, they walled themselves in with a Shepard's story trilogy.

[Bobad]

more envy than sorrow.

[Stalky24]

FieryDove wrote...

Stalky24 wrote...
I would like to know how would ME fans reacted if BW decided to not include Shepard as PC in ME3

Not possible, they walled themselves in with a Shepard's story trilogy.

Yeah I know, im just refering to the wave of anger ME community would produce if this wasnt true.

[Kohaku]

thenemesis77 wrote...

Kerridan Kaiba wrote...

thenemesis77 wrote...

Collider wrote...

LEAVE BIOWARE ALONE! THEY'RE HUMANS!

Your right on one thing....thier human, paid to make a game that people want, one that you would think people that bought DAO would want and I just don't see alot of that around, too many changes to a game that was fine the way it was. they can use propaganda all day long saying we that don't like the changes are a small few, but anyone that got DAO would have to have  access to the net and have to patch the game to keep up with it, unless they live in the sticks, So when David and others say we are the few that is propaganda to make everyone feel that those that don't like the game are just a few people. You have to make a account that takes you to this place and yea there are those that don't post and those that do but to use us as a small margin is moot and vague. 

No. They are paid to make what they want. I swear to God, if a company made a game I wanted they'd be out of business.

Really? So to say that DAO was not a game alot of RPG gamers wanted was not a game people wanted? No. it was a game people wanted......DA2 is not......it's for you I would guess? I hope when you pick a game it's not just for you but it's the game you wanted the game maker to want..........thats great have fun with that.

I play the games the developers create. If I think it's interesting, I buy it. If not, I don't. I don't have this strange misconception that a developer should be catering games to me at all.
 
How do you know DA: O was something everyone wanted to play? Most of my friends play RPGs and only one played DA:O or even knew what it was about. So no, not everyone wanted to play it.

I didn’t say anything about wanting DA2 or not. I don’t even know much about the game to create some sweeping generalizations about it or crying about it not being something I want to play.

[Heimdall]

Stalky24 wrote...

I would like to know how would ME fans reacted if BW decided to not include Shepard as PC in ME3

Massive uproar, riots in the streets, an armed assault on the Bioware headquarters...

Considering of course that would mean Bioware's statement that the ME trilogy's story was Shepard's story was a blatant lie.

No such promises were made for DA.  In fact I never really expected it to happen considering the number of variables in the PCs alone they'd have to account for.

[Narreneth]

ITSSEXYTIME wrote...


1. I think none of those things.  I do think however that I've put a hell of a lot more time into the game than the majority of people. (Unless you think it's common for people to play the game for 200+ hours, read both the books, buy most of the DLC, and do modding work for the game) It doesn't grant me more authority over Bioware certainly, but I think it does give me some allowance to be a bit dismissive of comments from people who clearly haven't done the same. Certainly don't mean to pick out posters on these boards, as there's no way for me to know whose done what. referring mostly to people outside of these boards, mostly on other gaming websites.  From what I've seen: the majority of people have only finished the game once.  And most of their criticisms are not complaints that I see often on these boards. (No VO, Combat not actiony enough etc)  The people who have those complaints may not be wrong: but I feel they are wrong so I shall respond as if they are wrong.  T'is called opinion.  Fancy that.   

If someone is truly indifferent to the changes then they shouldn't **** about me being against them, and if someone likes the changes then perhaps they should form a counter-argument as to why those changes benefit the game instead instead of focusing on attacking people against those changes claiming they're "elitist" and all that other bull****.  (Hells perhaps they have, but I haven't seen it)


2. Traditional RPG is a term that grows increasingly more relevant as time goes on.  A traditional RPG is simple to define really: It's an RPG that predominately features elements of RPG games of the past.  We live in an age where nearly every game under the sun has "RPG elements", we need some way to differentiate between 'real RPGs" and "Games with RPG elements".  Traditional RPG is the term we used to do that.  

3.DA:O was a hard game for plenty of people.  I know I struggled my first time through.  Now that I've played a bit more it's certainly easier and Nightmare is actually fairly simple at this point but that is true of any game.  I've recently started playing Baldur's Gate 2 for the first time and I'm intimidated as hell by it so I'm just playing through on Easy at the moment, but I've no doubt that some people play through it Solo, Naked and with intentional suboptimal builds on the hardest difficulty.  


So yes while I do generalize massively saying "Those darn casuals are ruining mah dragon age", it's not entirely untrue.  "Dumbing Down" has been an industry trend for the better part of the current console generation, and we've witnessed it dozens of times.  I'm not happy at the prospect of one of my favourite game series being "dumbed down" and sometimes that manifest itself as gross generalizations.  Hell, it may even turn out to be an unfounded worry.  That'd sure be nice. 

EDIT:

And considering we just watched the forementioned "dumbing-down" happen with ME2, our fears have precedent within Bioware and not just the industry.

First and foremost, no it is not uncommon for people to have invested over 200 hours of gametime to DA:O and it is certainly not uncommon for them to have all the DLC.  I certainly do.  Having done that does not give you (or me) any more validity than someone who has played the game only once or twice.  It's very strange that you would think that way.

Second, you still haven't defined what traditional RPG means.  You've simply said "it's like old games."  The thing is, even going back to "old" games you find vast amounts of differences from one to the next.  If you're referring to being like tabletop RPGs, then no video game has ever or will ever come close to the open-endedness of that. 

On Mass Effect 2:  ME2 was not dumbed down.  They took parts of the game out (some of which I miss, such as the inventory) that they felt catered to the feel of Mass Effect as a whole.  The combat system was virtually identical (obviously there were changes, such as the addition of ammo and the removal of weapon skills) and the character choices and dialogue options were still there just as they were in the first installment to provide the roleplaying elements of the game.  I thoroughly enjoyed Mass Effect 2.  That said, bringing Mass Effect 2 into this discussion as often has been done is more or less baseless.  ME and DA are not done by the same development teams, so while they may end up borrowing concepts from one another, they are not going to mimic each other.  Though I'll gladly go on record as saying that were that to happen, I'd drop the one mimicing the other in a heartbeat.  I don't want Dragon Age to be Mass Effect and I don't want Mass Effect to be Dragon Age.  
(A dialogue wheel that hasn't shown it's implementation yet certainly does not make DA2 like ME2 by any stretch of the definition)

[Narreneth]

Stalky24 wrote...

FieryDove wrote...

Stalky24 wrote...
I would like to know how would ME fans reacted if BW decided to not include Shepard as PC in ME3

Not possible, they walled themselves in with a Shepard's story trilogy.

Yeah I know, im just refering to the wave of anger ME community would produce if this wasnt true.

You're right, but BioWare specifically stated that we shouldn't expect to see the Warden carried into subsequent games a la Mass Effect.

It is fairly ironic that the same people lampooning DA2 for being "Dragon Effect" are also upset that one character can't be carried to the next story.  That'd just be one more "similarity" for them to complain about

[MadCat221]

Narreneth wrote...

Stalky24 wrote...

FieryDove wrote...

Stalky24 wrote...
I would like to know how would ME fans reacted if BW decided to not include Shepard as PC in ME3

Not possible, they walled themselves in with a Shepard's story trilogy.

Yeah I know, im just refering to the wave of anger ME community would produce if this wasnt true.

You're right, but BioWare specifically stated that we shouldn't expect to see the Warden carried into subsequent games a la Mass Effect.

It is fairly ironic that the same people lampooning DA2 for being "Dragon Effect" are also upset that one character can't be carried to the next story.  That'd just be one more "similarity" for them to complain about

I'm not.  I wanted to see a new set of origins, like maybe a Dalish mage or an apostate on the run or a human commoner or a dwarven surfacer.

Modifié par MadCat221, 14 juillet 2010 - 02:39 .

[LOLZAO]

they just need some attention you know if they don't voice their opinions the loudest nobody will notice then. it was the same when when DA:O(it will kill the RPGs and go ***** you Bioware !!!!!!!!)was announced.

[Narreneth]

LOLZAO wrote...

they just need some attention you know if they don't voice their opinions the loudest nobody will notice then. it was the same when when DA:O(it will kill the RPGs and go ***** you Bioware !!!!!!!!)was announced.

According to them, they're the majority.  Pfffff.

[Wicked 702]

Narreneth wrote...

LOLZAO wrote...

they just need some attention you know if they don't voice their opinions the loudest nobody will notice then. it was the same when when DA:O(it will kill the RPGs and go ***** you Bioware !!!!!!!!)was announced.

According to them, they're the majority.  Pfffff.

The following poll would somewhat support and also refute such a claim. There's a clear 30% with decent concerns. And another 30+% with minor concerns. I'd say we might be in the "minority" but 30% is hardly insignificant.

[Fangirl17]

uberdowzen wrote...

STOP BEING SO HARSH!!! DA2 was announces less than a week ago and so far all that has been released is half an A4 page of text and 2 screenshots from an alpha build. From this the community seems to have decided the game is going to be terrible! It seems these days that Bioware can't do anything right (in the communities eyes at least) and it's going to reach the point where they're going to ditch there community first approach because it just isn't worth it.

Please just wait until you actually have some info about DA2 before being down on it. I'll offer an example, it's like saying a movie is terrible from looking at 2 pictures from the storyboard and reading the blurb for it in the newspaper.

ANOTHER stop whining thread?GAWD. Not that Im one of the "doomsayers" but these threads are annoying. And I know some smart ass is going to be like stop whining about someone whining about whining. Well I dont care if Im whining

But I get it OP,the doomsayers are annoying,but complaining about it wont really help. Like many people have probably said before my post...its the internet :3

And I apologize if I seem harsh,I dont want to pick a fight with anyone :3

Modifié par Fangirl17, 14 juillet 2010 - 03:02 .

[Narreneth]

Wicked 702 wrote...

Narreneth wrote...

LOLZAO wrote...

they just need some attention you know if they don't voice their opinions the loudest nobody will notice then. it was the same when when DA:O(it will kill the RPGs and go ***** you Bioware !!!!!!!!)was announced.

According to them, they're the majority.  Pfffff.

The following poll would somewhat support and also refute such a claim. There's a clear 30% with decent concerns. And another 30+% with minor concerns. I'd say we might be in the "minority" but 30% is hardly insignificant.

A poll that samples 494 (current votes) people of a demographic that may only be interested in the poll BECAUSE of the fact that it gives them an outlet to vote out their frustration.  I didn't vote for instance.

You're obviously not a member of the scientific community.

[dutchdragon69]

Don't feel sorry for Bioware. The criticisms helps them understand what this community wants from a Dragon Age game, and some good ideas might spawn from discussions here (some for DA 2 and some as future plans for DA 3), even from the negative ones. Bioware even encourages people here to post their negative reactions to the announcements, and they are pretty active on the board. This shows that they indeed DO CARE WHAT WE THINK.



For the record, I'm just fine with all the announcements up until now, and I'm positive it'll be a killer game, no matter what dialogue interface they'll use.

[ITSSEXYTIME]

Narreneth wrote...

ITSSEXYTIME wrote...


1. I think none of those things.  I do think however that I've put a hell of a lot more time into the game than the majority of people. (Unless you think it's common for people to play the game for 200+ hours, read both the books, buy most of the DLC, and do modding work for the game) It doesn't grant me more authority over Bioware certainly, but I think it does give me some allowance to be a bit dismissive of comments from people who clearly haven't done the same. Certainly don't mean to pick out posters on these boards, as there's no way for me to know whose done what. referring mostly to people outside of these boards, mostly on other gaming websites.  From what I've seen: the majority of people have only finished the game once.  And most of their criticisms are not complaints that I see often on these boards. (No VO, Combat not actiony enough etc)  The people who have those complaints may not be wrong: but I feel they are wrong so I shall respond as if they are wrong.  T'is called opinion.  Fancy that.   

If someone is truly indifferent to the changes then they shouldn't **** about me being against them, and if someone likes the changes then perhaps they should form a counter-argument as to why those changes benefit the game instead instead of focusing on attacking people against those changes claiming they're "elitist" and all that other bull****.  (Hells perhaps they have, but I haven't seen it)


2. Traditional RPG is a term that grows increasingly more relevant as time goes on.  A traditional RPG is simple to define really: It's an RPG that predominately features elements of RPG games of the past.  We live in an age where nearly every game under the sun has "RPG elements", we need some way to differentiate between 'real RPGs" and "Games with RPG elements".  Traditional RPG is the term we used to do that.  

3.DA:O was a hard game for plenty of people.  I know I struggled my first time through.  Now that I've played a bit more it's certainly easier and Nightmare is actually fairly simple at this point but that is true of any game.  I've recently started playing Baldur's Gate 2 for the first time and I'm intimidated as hell by it so I'm just playing through on Easy at the moment, but I've no doubt that some people play through it Solo, Naked and with intentional suboptimal builds on the hardest difficulty.  


So yes while I do generalize massively saying "Those darn casuals are ruining mah dragon age", it's not entirely untrue.  "Dumbing Down" has been an industry trend for the better part of the current console generation, and we've witnessed it dozens of times.  I'm not happy at the prospect of one of my favourite game series being "dumbed down" and sometimes that manifest itself as gross generalizations.  Hell, it may even turn out to be an unfounded worry.  That'd sure be nice. 

EDIT:

And considering we just watched the forementioned "dumbing-down" happen with ME2, our fears have precedent within Bioware and not just the industry.

First and foremost, no it is not uncommon for people to have invested over 200 hours of gametime to DA:O and it is certainly not uncommon for them to have all the DLC.  I certainly do.  Having done that does not give you (or me) any more validity than someone who has played the game only once or twice.  It's very strange that you would think that way.

Second, you still haven't defined what traditional RPG means.  You've simply said "it's like old games."  The thing is, even going back to "old" games you find vast amounts of differences from one to the next.  If you're referring to being like tabletop RPGs, then no video game has ever or will ever come close to the open-endedness of that. 

On Mass Effect 2:  ME2 was not dumbed down.  They took parts of the game out (some of which I miss, such as the inventory) that they felt catered to the feel of Mass Effect as a whole.  The combat system was virtually identical (obviously there were changes, such as the addition of ammo and the removal of weapon skills) and the character choices and dialogue options were still there just as they were in the first installment to provide the roleplaying elements of the game.  I thoroughly enjoyed Mass Effect 2.  That said, bringing Mass Effect 2 into this discussion as often has been done is more or less baseless.  ME and DA are not done by the same development teams, so while they may end up borrowing concepts from one another, they are not going to mimic each other.  Though I'll gladly go on record as saying that were that to happen, I'd drop the one mimicing the other in a heartbeat.  I don't want Dragon Age to be Mass Effect and I don't want Mass Effect to be Dragon Age.  
(A dialogue wheel that hasn't shown it's implementation yet certainly does not make DA2 like ME2 by any stretch of the definition)

Well I'd hardly say the people on these boards are an accurate representation of the majority of the community.  I'm not saying it gives me more validty or authority: more that it means that I care deeply about this series and feel like if it doesn't appear to be something made for people like me (the hardcore fans) then who are they making it for. (Then we point to casuals because they're the most likely culprit)  I mean I don't expect them to listen to me over anyone else, it's just that I feel that they're not saying anything that makes me go "Wow, I'm so glad they're doing that: it will surely improve the game".  The best case scenario here is that I'm overreacting and the wheel isn't as bad as I thought.  What are the benefits to the wheel over a simple dialogue tree like DA:O?  On the backend it's practically identical.  Why make the stupid wheel?  Why have two separate combat systems for consoles and PC?  Does that mean that one system will get less attention than the other?  (Regardless of what Bioware says, it's pretty much guaranteed that the new system will have more work put into it than improving the old one)  The only good news is that Bioware is trying something new narratively, but then again who knows if they can even pull it off. (I was real excited about importing my saved game into ME2 until I did it and realized that it really changed nothing besides adding a couple of NPC's to the world and changing some dialogue lines.  Makes me real worried about ME3 too)  All of the changes they've made so far are to address the complaints of the casual fanbase, not the hardcore crowd. Namely Graphics, Combat and the lack of PC voice acting. (Aside from the new narrative and the accompanying Hawke character)    

There's just too many parallels to ME2, which I'll touch on in a bit.



Then I'll further define "traditional RPG".  It's a term that refers to games regarded as "classic RPGs" mostly referring to the early 90s of PC RPG gaming with games such as Fallout 1&2, Planescape Torment, Baldurs Gate 1&2, Icewind Dale and all of that good stuff.  The mechanics and ideas in these games (Tactical Combat, Dialogue interaction, Branching Storylines, Large Open Worlds, class/stat based character creation with tons of depth etc) are what makes a traditional RPG.  Certainly the mechanics of RPG's are numerous and permeate in nearly every genre, but when people refer to traditional RPG's they think of these games and what they did.  Certainly, DA:O is a more simplified version of these games.  It's a simple fact that with today's development demands, it's much costly and difficult to have the same wealth of options available to the player.  (Which is why I'm of the opinion that developers of such games should strive to make a solid base with which to build upon through expansions and sequels)   However, what excited people about DA:O is that it wasn't afraid to ignore common trends in the industry and the genre in favour of trying to implement as many of these mechanics as it could. (Such as the Tactical Combat in favour of a more action oriented system or even a simpler one like KOTOR had)  

ME2 certainly wasn't a bad game, but the design of it was.  They pretty much decided  "If it didn't work in the first game get rid of it entirely" and as a result they loss the little bit of depth that was gained from equipment mods and various stats and exploring the galaxy.  (ME1 wasn't exactly a very deep game either, but the sequel was certainly shallower)    It was a nice 35 hour romp but it had no replayability whatsoever.  

[Felfenix]

"Passionate hatred can give meaning and purpose to an empty life." - Eric Hoffer

[uberdowzen]

Collider wrote...

LEAVE BIOWARE ALONE! THEY'RE HUMANS!

Yeah, I was thinking quite a bit about that when I started the thread...

[Lasseda]

ITSSEXYTIME wrote...

Narreneth wrote...

ITSSEXYTIME wrote...

" it's going to reach the point where they're going to ditch there community first approach because it just isn't worth it."

You do realize that the reason most people are complaining is because Bioware is making decisions that upset the community right?

Upsets part of the community.  Not everyone is upset by it.  Not even most people.  Just a vocal minority.  The only reason I even found out people were being babies about this is because I like forums and checked on these ones after the post highlighting the get to know Hawke section of GI.  Most people don't post on these forums.  Most people who post on these forums will not post if they're content with what's being done.

You can't please everyone.  That's a hazard of being a gaming company.  I'd be much more displeased with BioWare if they went with the whims of every single whining forumite than if they made a decision that changes a part of the games they make.

The people that aren't upset by it just didn't have as much invested in the game.  (atleast the majority, I'm sure theres a few people just more patient than I to hear what Bio has planned)

You are grouping too many people together. I have invested a-lot of money and time into this game. I've purchased every single DLC, I have pre-ordered the figurines, made custom content, and I have played through more times than I care to admit. 

I am very excited about Dragon Age 2. And no, I'm very impatient about learning more about what Bioware is doing.

Anyways, back on original topic. When it comes to the people who seem to always whine about something, I just consider them a necessary evil. *shrugs*

[Onyx Jaguar]

What sort of sorcery is this

[uberdowzen]

Ok, I wasn't expecting this many replies...



The point I'm trying to make is that there isn't really enough information out there to form an opinion yet. I think it's fine (actually I actively encourage) speculation and then commenting on how you'd feel if that was in the game. On the other hand people seem to be taking the small amount we know so far and extrapolating an entire game out of that, appraising the game they've imagined and then decided they don't like it and that it's going to be crap. So far Bioware has mostly listed changes (IMO one of the most exciting things about sequels) and haven't talked about the large amount that's going to stay the same and, honestly, I'm in the camp that a developer shouldn't have to come out at the start and say "Don't worry, we're only going to change a couple of minor things."

[wolfy30141]

I agree with OP, there is nothing that has been shown to suggest that Bioware hasn't got something up there sleeve to make this a great game. I mean, simply look at all the other games Bioware has made? How many of them have gone on to be some of the most memorable games you've ever played? DA:O was a great game as well, HOWEVER, any great game can still have improvement. That's what Bioware was thinking. With the VO they were trying to break the mold some more and allow for further innovation in the game design. As far as people going on and on about how they know they won't like this game, and how much they think it's going to just flat out tank, I pose this question, "How can you honestly make an informed decision based off of a couple of paragraphs, 2 pictures, and some discussions?" It makes no sense. At least wait for more information before you go and bash a game. It really makes you seem like you're on a nerd rage when you just bash something for no particular reason. At least voice what's wrong instead of just saying something like "Bioware is betraying the fans!; Bioware doesn't listen!; DA2 is going to be retarded." Statements like this almost make me ashamed of the gaming community, or rather, the small minority who thinks that they have the right to just go ahead and open their mouths. I know it must seem like I'm on a soap box, and I know it may seem harsh, but what I'm trying to get through to some of you is that there is never a reason to bash a game developer. Constructive criticism is good, but going on a nerd rage and simply trash talking the developer or there game is not a good way to make a change. Explain what's wrong, (in this case seems to be the VO which you never know, could be a surprise or two in store for it) and try to show them a course that you'd like to see. I mean only a couple of weeks ago, I saw a lot of people saying, "All I want is a plot twist." Well, you got it. Also, there's no information as of yet to suggest the player won't be able to link the two stories. Bioware might not continue with that same story, however, remnants of the story are sure to be in the main story of this game as well. Maybe we'll finally come to a conclusion on some of the things that were missing in the old one, I don't know, and neither do you. IF I haven't even made a dent in some of yall then I have only one thing left to say, download some appropriate software and MAKE YOUR OWN GAME. As an afterthought. You should probably do that, and even have a forum available for it, just to see what other people might think. I'm just saying, if you think you know better, then there's a lot of money in it if you're right.

[N7xWolf]

wolfy30141 wrote...

I agree with OP, there is nothing that has been shown to suggest that Bioware hasn't got something up there sleeve to make this a great game. I mean, simply look at all the other games Bioware has made? How many of them have gone on to be some of the most memorable games you've ever played? DA:O was a great game as well, HOWEVER, any great game can still have improvement. That's what Bioware was thinking. With the VO they were trying to break the mold some more and allow for further innovation in the game design. As far as people going on and on about how they know they won't like this game, and how much they think it's going to just flat out tank, I pose this question, "How can you honestly make an informed decision based off of a couple of paragraphs, 2 pictures, and some discussions?" It makes no sense. At least wait for more information before you go and bash a game. It really makes you seem like you're on a nerd rage when you just bash something for no particular reason. At least voice what's wrong instead of just saying something like "Bioware is betraying the fans!; Bioware doesn't listen!; DA2 is going to be retarded." Statements like this almost make me ashamed of the gaming community, or rather, the small minority who thinks that they have the right to just go ahead and open their mouths. I know it must seem like I'm on a soap box, and I know it may seem harsh, but what I'm trying to get through to some of you is that there is never a reason to bash a game developer. Constructive criticism is good, but going on a nerd rage and simply trash talking the developer or there game is not a good way to make a change. Explain what's wrong, (in this case seems to be the VO which you never know, could be a surprise or two in store for it) and try to show them a course that you'd like to see. I mean only a couple of weeks ago, I saw a lot of people saying, "All I want is a plot twist." Well, you got it. Also, there's no information as of yet to suggest the player won't be able to link the two stories. Bioware might not continue with that same story, however, remnants of the story are sure to be in the main story of this game as well. Maybe we'll finally come to a conclusion on some of the things that were missing in the old one, I don't know, and neither do you. IF I haven't even made a dent in some of yall then I have only one thing left to say, download some appropriate software and MAKE YOUR OWN GAME. As an afterthought. You should probably do that, and even have a forum available for it, just to see what other people might think. I'm just saying, if you think you know better, then there's a lot of money in it if you're right.

you sir, deserve a medal and a plate of brownies.

Modifié par N7xWolf, 14 juillet 2010 - 03:50 .

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

Bioware is not a little kid being picked on in the schoolyard. Don't feel sorry for it, it's a company. Sure people work there but they WORK there, they aren't hippy sit-down protestors whose interpretive dancing while doing drugs is percieved by ultra-liberals as "art." Most criticism on these boards is directed in a constructive way, or at least starts so by intention. If you have to feel sorry for an entity feel sorry for a forum moderator who has to police all the garbage that is written. Don't feel too sorry though, hopefully they do get paid.



Bioware's job is to make a product people want. We're offering opinions on what we want. Does it matter what one person wants? No, I don't pretend I can change one thing or another. But if enough people say the same thing or similar things then it's not a bad idea for people within Bioware to listen, it might make the company lot's of money. That's the goal of companies. If you think the CEOs Zeschuck or Muzyka cry themselves to sleep at night over what a random internet personality types on their forums, that's clearly insane.

[wolfy30141]

Ryllen Laerth Kriel wrote...

Bioware is not a little kid being picked on in the schoolyard. Don't feel sorry for it, it's a company. Sure people work there but they WORK there, they aren't hippy sit-down protestors whose interpretive dancing while doing drugs is percieved by ultra-liberals as "art." Most criticism on these boards is directed in a constructive way, or at least starts so by intention. If you have to feel sorry for an entity feel sorry for a forum moderator who has to police all the garbage that is written. Don't feel too sorry though, hopefully they do get paid.

Bioware's job is to make a product people want. We're offering opinions on what we want. Does it matter what one person wants? No, I don't pretend I can change one thing or another. But if enough people say the same thing or similar things then it's not a bad idea for people within Bioware to listen, it might make the company lot's of money. That's the goal of companies. If you think the CEOs Zeschuck or Muzyka cry themselves to sleep at night over what a random internet personality types on their forums, that's clearly insane.

I fully understand where you're coming from, however, I'm simply saying there seems to be too many people simply bashing it. And while Bioware may not be a "little kid being picked on in a school yard" I do believe that people who insult them don't fully comprehend the amount of work that goes into any game. My bottom line is simply wait until there's more information before blasting a game or the company.