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#13701
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Karthis, 6th BG2 update

 

A rather short report on Windspear hills. Rukh got succesfully dispelled. Then he used PW:Stun (always gets me with that s***) on my sorceress and pulled out 2x Fireshield/Stoneskin combo. Took a while, but we got him.

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Unsurprisingly, vamps were as annoying as ever. Barby got to 3 CON here. Didn't die, which was amazing.

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I didn't fight Firkraag yet (it's a bit too early for that) but I did kill Conster. With IR, he's backstab-immune due to Knave's robe.

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He tried to do something; but failed utterly once we removed his Deflection, leaving him open for Lighting bolts.

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I'm a bit running out of options about what to do next. Probably Planar Sphere, but I'd love some more XP on my sorceress for PW:Stun or Sequencer, both of which can make Tolgerias battle far less overwhelming (I used HLAs as innates again; so Planetar is almost 100% certain to be there should Tolgerias live more than one round).


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A rather short update on Khartis' game - we did Ilithid Sewers. First battle was outright awful, I lost both my mages. Alhoon was even worse - I lost all but Khartis. I played it a bit risky (save vs spell of 2) but eventually succeded. Ahoon Dimenison-doored away. :angry:

Btw, my barbarian has an AC of 4. He's food for Ilithid and Vampires. :P



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Karthis, 7th BG2 update

 

Joined Bodhi (if you can't beat them, join them! :D ).

1st & 2nd tasks were easy enough. Kill Aran Linvail was long and tedious business; played outright awfully. It's good fun anyway.

 



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Linvail finale:

 



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@Grim Jim. How did you remove the extraneous Mariliths? Did you succeed in fixing the Abazigal encounter?

 

V30 is unplayable in my Wine based OS X port due to crashes and other anomalies, but I'm tempted to try an Enhanced Edition/v30/BP Ascension setup.

 

It's either that, build a Windows partition, or revert to my previous installation. v21 is a no go in my Wine/GoG install, sadly: I encounter maddeningly long pauses every time I try to cast a spell or activate an ability.

 

Best,

 

A. 



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@Grim Jim. How did you remove the extraneous Mariliths? Did you succeed in fixing the Abazigal encounter?

To remove the Mariliths I had to manually edit finsol04.bcs using NearInfinity. Remove this block (it should be right at the top) and then compile and save the file:
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For the Abazigal encounter, the instructions in these two posts fixed the installer for me. If you don't want to reinstall, you first need to open dragblue.cre in NI and switch the class script to dragblue.bcs. Then open up dragblue.bcs and paste these lines starting at line number 106:
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I think I know how to modify the installer to fix the first issue, but I don't really want to fiddle with my install right now to test it.
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Noted. Thanks, Grim Jim.

 

:)

 

Best,

 

A.

 

Btw. I think I'm going to do some install testing off forum before I enter another character. This is the second time in recent memory that I've seen a run marred by install issues (Aria's and Aphril's). I don't want to risk letting the same thing happen again. I'll be back in a couple weeks. In the interim, good hunting everyone! 


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Wow busy week! Sorry to see Aphril go Alesia, was a great run to read.

 

On my party's end, we did decide to continue post bug death, based both on the confidence that the death was due to a bug, as well as the following post showing what appears to be the same bug affecting two other players' EE games and causing charname death: https://forums.beamd...byrinth-level-3.

 

I also decided to continue posting the run here, as it seemed like everyone was OK with that. If anyone has an issue, let me know and I'm happy to stop. For disclosure's sake I will simply describe this is a "Probably No-Reload Run". I unfortunately wasn't for a while expecting to post the remainder of the run so I won't have any screenshots until further play this weekend.

 

K/M, Jaheira, Haer'dalis, Viconia, Jan (-> Imoen) and Edwin Continue their Probably No-Reload Run through SoA

 

After finishing off Pooky and Co in Waukeen's Promenade, the party had completed most of the Athkatla content outside of the liches, rune, mindflayers, etc. and the Harper's Hold. We leave the harper's for later as it has some reasonably dangerous fights and we try to order easier fights first whenever possible so that gets left for right before we leave for Brynlaw. The party next sets its sights to the locations outside of Athkatla.

 

Dearnise Keep was straightforward; the only new things for me at least was doing it with Nalia (subbing out Jan). The party gets some extra gold this way (10k), as well as some comments from Nalia, and considerably less rudeness when we turn down the Fighter Stronghold quest at the end.

 

Trademeet next, because it is relatively easy as well as such an enormous upgrade for Jaheira (blackblood club + belm, which she will use for the remainder of SoA). Fael did not spawn; I don't know if this is a bug, but it's a little disapointing as one thing we had hoped to do differently this time was to finally get his armor. Oh well. We subbed out Jan for Cernd to try to steal from Adratha, only to find out she can't be stolen from. Oh well again.  We bought some potions anyway and then slew her and her friends. A low thac0 fighter (i.e. kensai) plus zone of clean air (i.e. Viconia) make this fight much easier. Everything else was straightforward but Edwin started nagging the party over getting the Nether Scroll...

 

Because I still don't know whether he ever leaves in retaliation for ignoring his quest (Haer'dalis notably does not if the party ignores his request to return the portal gem), we went to deal with the lich guarding the Nether scroll. This fight has always been a source of stress, but never in practice difficult - up until this run. Despite trying to cheese the lich with an opening harm + Jan traps, he survived at near death. Worse, he gated in a balor. Worse, that balor immediately dropped a remove magic that left the party approximately naked. Having no idea how to deal with these threats, we booked it and spammed summon monster from a wand to try to keep the balor + lich busy. For whatever reasons, the balor did not give chase to the party, while the lich eventually did. He got Haerdalis with a horrid wilting (clouded aura prevented drinking a potion in time) but had lost PfMW and fell to a PfUD + Azure Edge wielding Kensai. Balor dealt with himself after he ran out of rounds and unsummoned. 

 

Not satisifed with one overly risky fight, the party successfully generated another by resting outside and spawning Tanova + 2 vampires while nobody had any buffs up. Great. Fortunately, we've learned our lesson when it comes to vampires and charm and so everyone immediately quaffed potions of clarity. Everyone that is, except charname, who had SCS autocasted cure light wounds on someone and so couldn't drink immediately. Second charm got through and now charname is charmed. Fortunately Jan had recently changed up his spellbook to include domination and recharmed charname back to the correct team. Failing that, the situation would have been dicier, but probably salvagable because the vampires won't attack charmed charname and anyway we have a bunch of PfUD scrolls still.

 

Party then did Rasaad's quest long enough to get the mirror image ring (new EE item, gives 3x mirror image per day and is usable by anyone). The rest of Rasaad's quest is so poorly written that I refuse to complete it. Neera's is much, much better, so we battle some red wizards and come away with a wand of spell-striking.

 

Shade lord was treated delicately but ultimately proved much easier as delaying him until post Trademeet meant Edwin was level 12 and the party had improved haste. For good measure we kept him out of melee range of charname and Jaheira and Haerdalis took him out. His death causes the party to rest and the Jaheira romance hostage fight played out with our party unbuffed, but went OK. What disappoints me about that fight is that charname has the option of saying to the thieves something like "No don't take our stuff then I'll have nothing left and be destitute!". I interpreted the line to be sarcastic in a prior game but nobody else does and Jaheira calls you a wimp and ends the romance. Oops. Saved the shadow dragon for later as there is no near-term reward to the fight, although charname will be using Crom Faeyr later.

 

Nothing interesting happened in the Windspear hills; Firkraag himself was saved for later.

 

The party is now finishing up loose ends in Athkatla prior to facing Bodhi. Kensai has been dualed to mage, and so is a level 9 mage and will not have Kensai levels back until we are through the underdark. I continue to think F/M is materially better than K->M, particularly for no-reload runs, but the additional challenge of dealing with the downtime period is fun to me so I did a K->M again.

 

In terms of the pain of that downtime, one thing I've learned is that it isn't as bad as it first seems, at least assuming the party has at least some fighter power to fall back on in the interim. In addition to having Jaheira and Haer'dalis at pretty effective levels to cover the gap, charname as a mage quickly hits level 9 which is not totally useless spell-wise. At least as importantly, he can spam wands, which are pretty darn useful particularly with the EE provided wand of spell-striking. AND he gets slayer form in spellhold, so in any fight that really matters his fighter power isn't reduced at all (at least for a few rounds). The only really awkward fight is against Bodhi in chapter 3, where she can be hard to kill vs. with a F/M. Running around in circles until she has seen enough seems to be effective (at least, it worked for us last time).



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Good to see you underway again Jabberwock.  I hope you have a bug-free run from here on ...



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It's good to see you back in action, Jabberwock!

 

And for the record, I see no reason to place an asterisk on your run.

 

My only concern earlier was with the possibility of establishing a loosey-goosey well-gosh-I-just-don't-know-what-happened precedent. I think we've accumulated enough evidence of a bug by now.

 

Thanks for taking the time to find additional cases!

 

Good hunting!

 

Best,

 

A.



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Karthis, 8th BG2 update

 

Final quest before sailing to Spellhold, Planar Sphere.

 


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Final update on Khartis:

 

Did Spellhold w/o trouble. Did Sahaugin. Entered Underdark. Fought 1st ambush, lost all but Khartis. Still pulled through. The disaster struck in the place I haven't tought possible - first Drow mission (rescuing Phaere from Ilithid/Umber Hulks).

She died. Crashed to ice. Wtf? :blink:

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Ah well. At least I bought the stuff I need from Ust Natha; so not all was lost. XP hit is huge, however. Decided to get the most out of situation, cleared out Mind Flayers & few beholders. 

I checked if we had our Drow disguise by talking with deep gnomes there - it seemed like we did. So, I happily went to the exit; in hope Drow will allow me to pass.

They didn't. They were hostile from the start. I didn't even prebuff properly for the fight.

This led to a utter disaster.

 

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Ouch Aasim :(

Weird icy shattering there, and very sorry about the hostile Drow. You might have used invisibility/haste to see whether the Drow were hostile (and to retret and draw out the Glabrezu).



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It's either that, build a Windows partition, or revert to my previous installation. v21 is a no go in my Wine/GoG install, sadly: I encounter maddeningly long pauses every time I try to cast a spell or activate an ability.

 

 

Another option might to be to install the free version of VirtualBox VM and install your Windows + BG-for-windows in that virtual machine. It works OK for me for resolutions up to 1280x1024 (widescreen mod). Disclaimer: I'm not familiar with how well VBox works for non-Linux hosts, but I'm guessing that it probably works at least as well as for Linux -- given the relative popularity of the various OSes.

 

(I've been running V21 which works fine for VBox+GoG-BG1/2+BGT. I'm about to try V30 because ... reasons.)

 

EDIT: Btw, apologies if you're already menioned/tried that option -- I'm not following these threads very closely these days. Just a suggestion. :)



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Do bear in mind that Boons of Lathander won't stack with the Fixpack installed.

 

I don't believe this is true. I distinctly remember stacking BoL with a CoL->M and I always install the G3 Fixpack. (It may certainly be the case that something else in your install disabled the stacking, but I'm 99.9% sure it's not the fixpack.)


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#13717
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Hey, AnonymousHero! 

 

It's good to hear from you again.

 

Another option might to be to install the free version of VirtualBox VM and install your Windows + BG-for-windows in that virtual machine.

 

I've considered that. It's not a desirable option. If I'm going to install Windows, I'd prefer to set up a partition. 

 

I'm hoping to avoid using Windows at all.

 

Thanks for the suggestion though!


 

I don't believe this is true. I distinctly remember stacking BoL with a CoL->M and I always install the G3 Fixpack. (It may certainly be the case that something else in your install disabled the stacking, but I'm 99.9% sure it's not the fixpack.)

 

I can't say. I've never tried it. I've always considered Boon stacking to be an exploit. I've never allowed my characters to do it- irrespective of the install.

 

My earlier statement should have read "I've heard reports that Boons won't stack with the Fixpack installed."

 

I'd encourage players to test in their own installs.

 

Once again, it's good to hear from you! 

 

Best,

 

A.



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Condolences, Aasim. 

 

What could have frozen Phaere?

 

Best,

 

A.



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Condolences, Aasim. 

 

What could have frozen Phaere?

I don't know. I'm sure nobody of my PCs ever hit her, Solaufein didn't; that only leaves Umber Hulks. 



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I've considered that. It's not a desirable option. If I'm going to install Windows, I'd prefer to set up a partition. 

 

I'm hoping to avoid using Windows at all.

 

Absolutely fair enough to not like Windows :). I don't either, but I just happen to have a still-valid volume license for Windows XP and as long as it's in a Virtual Machine, I can live with it :).

 

Agreed about stacking boons (as well as Armor of Faith, etc.) probably being unintended... and thus exploits. The PoL->M character I tried was just to see how ridiculously buffed a solo character could get. It turns out that PoL(23?)->M was utterly impractical (and insanely overpowered as long as buffs would last) without scripting the buffing. So I actually ended up deleting that character pretty soon after activating the PoL class. I think that's my most ridiculously ambitious solo (in terms of gimped levels) yet.

 

Btw, I'm also glad to see that you're active again -- I always try to learn as much as I can from your runs. :) I was sad to see the outcome of your most recent run :(.



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So I actually ended up deleting that character pretty soon after activating the PoL class. 

This happened to me once. Kensai(15) - mage was the combo. Upon hitting mage level 16, I threw him in some combat (iirc, Spellhold Umber Hulks); then deleted the game. :D



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I don't know. I'm sure nobody of my PCs ever hit her, Solaufein didn't; that only leaves Umber Hulks. 

Sorry to see that Aasim - there seem to be a lot of unexplained events in recent action on these forums :(.



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Sorry to see that Aasim - there seem to be a lot of unexplained events in recent action on these forums :(.

It's the Weave, Grond0. Wild magic beckons. :D



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This happened to me once. Kensai(15) - mage was the combo. Upon hitting mage level 16, I threw him in some combat (iirc, Spellhold Umber Hulks); then deleted the game. :D

 

(Still all no-reload, so I hope we're not getting too off-topic. :) )

 

I did an (or several) even worse thing(s)... For example, K(18)->M. I was kind of proud to have reactivated with a (non-masochistic) SCS I/II install, but it was disgustingly powerful. I also did a B(17)->M, but that met sort of the same fate... If you're wondering, I chose level 17 for the best possible saving throws -- ultimately there isn't going to be that much difference between a K(18) and B(17) if you take gloves (GoES)/helmets (and, more marginally and situationally[1] shields) into account.

 

[1] Well, very situationally: Shield of Reflection nullifies Fallen Solars. (AFAIUI, I haven't actually tried it, so caveat lector!)



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Computer crashed while I was completing Chapter 3. I mean, PC is now dead, along with game files =(

 

Holy crap, minimal killing is really hard, specially when you have never tried it. A few times, enemies spread through the whole map, making it nearly impossible to hide (I suspect it's a bug, as casters always head northwestern corner when fooled by Hiding and Cloack of non-detection).

 

I will restart the game today, so there might be some repetition among posts. All in all, should be just a single post repeated. See you later!


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