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[corey_russell]

I have a new character named simply Hunter. Here is his character sheet:



Basically he is a straight fighter dualed at level 9 to a straight mage. In my multi-player no-reload I had a companion built similar and they were a lot of fun, though lost to a computer failure (had to replace laptop).

This is BG 2 only no-reload, not my usual trilogy. I intend to do all the fights I can. And in particular going to try to master the Illithid City. I fully expect to fail this no-reload, a full party needs the city's experience, but haven't been able to beat it no-reload it. If I fail will continue run, hopefully learning all I can with the Illithids.

Wasn't intending a no-reload but made it this far without needing a reload (except a bug which will describe later), so decided to enter him.

Rest of the party status. Here is their main stats and tanking order:
Jaheira - level 9 fighter/level 12 druid -7 AC, 79 HP, Primary Weapon: Blackblood Club
Minsc - level 10 ranger -7 AC, 97 HP, Primary Weapon: Flail of Ages
Yoshimo (to be replaced with Imoen later) - level 13 bounty hunter 0 AC, 82 HP Primary Weapon: Tuigan Bow/Shortsword of backstabbing
Viconia - level 10 cleric, -7 AC, 51 HP, Primary Weapon: +2 sling/+5 warhammer
Aerie -level 9 cleric/level 10 mage -1 AC, 37 HP Primary Weapon: "excellent" sling/+2 mace

Things accomplished:
* Defeated Mencar Pebblecrusher's gang: managed to charm BOTH Orcslicer AND Mencar. Needless to say their fellow thief and mages got crushed. Was easy pickings after that.

* Circus problem dealt with.

* Freed Viconia. Always suprised on how long it takes to burn the 3 fanatics down, but all they could was hurt Jaheira enough she had to use a single extra healing potion.

* Freed Hendak and the slaves. With the battle with the beastlord I had the party at the entrance to the animal cells and had Jaheira open with Insect Plague. This was enough to tip the battle in our favor, not that we didn't take any damage.

* Did the quest to obtain the Lilacor +3 two-hand sword. Don't usually do this quite so early, but since I knew I wasn't going to use Nalia since I was going to be the party's ultimate mage, I need a +3 weapon to kill the iron golem, hence did this quest.

* Accepted Nalia's quest to free her keep of invaders. We didn't let her in the group like I usually do, since next level was going to dual and be the party's mage (was a level 8 fighter at this point) and therefore didn't need her. Fought everything except the umber hulks, I diverted them with the stew. The battle with Torgal lasted a LONG time. However, with protection evil/bless/chant the party tanked him good enough to win without any deaths.

* Cleared the moored ship of slavers and freed the children. Was pretty easy. At one point 1/2 the party was held, but then my clerics responded by holding 2/3 of the enemies. Was smooth sailing after that.

* Tried to find Montaron for Xzar. Turned out the polymorphed bird we found was an assassin. The battle at Prebek's house went pretty smooth. Cast death ward/chaotic commands on Hunter just in case.

* Did the thieve's guild quest. The tasks were mostly minor, the only real one was the battle vs. Rayic Gethras. I had put death ward on Hunter before going up. Good thing as looked like Rayic cast finger of death on him. Fortunately a flame arrow from Hunter was enough to speed up Rayic's demise before he could do too much damage.
 
* Poor Maevar and his buddies got clobbered by Jaheira's Fire Elemental and Insect Plague. We could win this battle at our leisure.

* Battle with Dao Djinns at Trademeet: I knew one of the Djinns likes to throw around flesh to stone. So put protection from petrification on Hunter and bought some stone to flesh scrolls. Jaheira was turned to stone but the Djinns were defeated. We restored Jaheira, had her join the group, healed her, and left the tent. But bug occured and the game forgot she was in the group (she was no where in fact, not even in the tent). So had to reload.

Next Stop: Druid Grove

[Incantatar]

Varius Human Conjurer 16 with Anomen, Nalia and Jaheira

Ch3 continued
I did everything else i could do before going to Spellhold. Well everything which didn't include liches and Alhoons.
-Firkraag was disentigrated by Varius.
-Casting Limited Wish for more experience in the Copper Coronet is a bad idea. Bernard became hostile and tried to kill me. I simply ignored the fool.

Ch4
-Disentigrated Perth
-Pirate lord didn't believe me (although i had 20 Chr)
-helped the prostitute
-tried to drug the guards, they didn't let themselve fool
-I dumped Nalia and went on to the Asylum
-killed my first lich in Spellhold (first summons, then PW:Stun->dead lich)
-Pit Fiend was killed by hasted M.Swords and a Bolt of Glory
-Irenicus battle was thrilling. I immediately throw a PW:Stun at him, but he's either immune or has over 89hp.
He managed to imprison Jaheira* and kill Anomen. He summoned a Glabrezu which i could dominate for like 3 rounds. Wanev in his corner also summoned 2 Glabrezus which just stood there with him out of Irenicus' sight. Since Irenicus dispelled everything Varius was busy with protections. While Varius later summoned M.Swords Anomen drank some magic protection potions but to no avail, he died soon after. Wanev fell suddenly with no reason, the Glabrezus followed Varius and finally attacked Irenicus and the other demon. Irenicus was out of good spells and with the help of some scrolls Varius and the demons could take him out. (Imoen was of no big help here)
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*I have no Freedom scroll unfortunately. Does that mean she is gone till i'm back from the Underdark?

Modifié par Incantatar, 14 septembre 2010 - 08:39 .

[corey_russell]

@Incantar:



Actually think it's worse than that. You have to cast the freedom spell the area a trapped person is in, but you don't come back to Spellhold after the Underdark, so far as I know she is gone for good.

[Incantatar]

corey_russell wrote...

@Incantar:

Actually think it's worse than that. You have to cast the freedom spell the area a trapped person is in, but you don't come back to Spellhold after the Underdark, so far as I know she is gone for good.

I thought you have Brynnlaw on your world map after Underdark. I never tried going back to Spellhold though.

You know that i really personally hate Irenicus now? DAMN HIM!

[corey_russell]

Brynnlaw may be on the map, but don't think you can go back (which makes sense, what ship are you using to get there?). I remember trying to and the game not letting me.

[Incantatar]

It's like 8 years since i romanced Jaheira the last time. My (char's) heart is broken.

"which makes sense, what ship are you using to get there?"

Wouldn't you take/buy a ship to rescue your loved one from an underground prison? I would. =(

Oh man i can't even let her in the party, since i can't go up the stairs without her.

Modifié par Incantatar, 14 septembre 2010 - 11:51 .

[Incantatar]

Varius Human Conjurer 17 with Imoen and Anomen

Ch4 continued
The group mourned over the loss of Jaheira. They all got drunk in a tavern img168.imageshack.us/img168/5206/baldr028.png  and Varius especially was determined as never before to make Irenicus' existence an end as soon as possible.
-They took a ship with the traitor Saemon and stranded at the Sahuagin
-they helped their prince to defeat the mad king
(Varius lvl 18, Anomen lvl 22, Imoen lvl 14)

[corey_russell]

Update on Hunter, the level 9 fighter dualed to a mage:



On behalf of the Shadow Thieves, we battled the vampires in their lair. It was going pretty good until we encountered Bodhi. She killed Jaheira (though not chunked) but she level drained Minsc to nothing! When this occurs this destroys all the equipment of the chunked person. So when Minsc was chunked I lost this equipment:



* Shield of Balduran

* +2 Small Shield

* Full Plate

* Frost Axe

* Belm

* Daystar

* Helm of charm protection

* Girdle of Bluntness

* +3 throwing axe, good against undead (forgetting the name atm)

* Lilacor



The party refused to lay down and die however, and defeated Bodhi. We recruited that warrior cleric in the Copper Coronet, put him in Minsc's spot in the line up (#2), let him use the Flail of Ages as +3 but no proficiency in flails yet, so main weapon for Anomen is a staff mace unless a +3 is needed. We took the ship to Brynnlaw and are doing the quests there.

[corey_russell]

Quick Update on Hunter the Level 9 fighter dualed to a mage:

On behalf of the Shadow Thieves we defeated the vampire coven. We fought Tanova with summons only, but other wise mostly went well -- mostly. But things changed when we fought Bodhi. We were out of buffs and out of summons and it really hurt against her. Jaheira was slain (though not chunked). Minsc, however was level drained to nothing! Could not resurrect him. When a NPC gets chunked this way you lose all their equpment. This is what I lost:

* Shield of Balduran
* Full Plate
* Cloak of Protection +1
* Frost Axe +3
* Lilacor +3 two-hand sword
* Belm
* Daystar
* Girdle of Bluntness
* Helm of Charm Protection

The party kept at it however and defeated Bodhi. We resurrected Jaheira and then thought, who to replace Minsc? Mazzy and Valygar both require doing quests, which we want to get Imoen first. So that left Korgan and Anomen. Korgan and Aerie don't get along well, so we went ahead and got Anomen to take Minsc's spot as secondary tank.

We then got on the ship to Brynnlaw and are doing the quests in that area. Imoen we are coming for you!

Modifié par corey_russell, 16 septembre 2010 - 03:12 .

[Incantatar]

Ha that sucks doesn't it? Jaheira had Boots of Speed, my only Rod of Resurrection, Ring+2, Gauntlets of Dex, Regeneration Ioun stone, Belm, Shadow Dragon Hide +5 and some other stuff.

[corey_russell]

Yikes! Fighting in the Underdark with no rod of resurrection in a no-reload? That's risky to say the least with the lack of temples. If I were in your shoes I might even be tempted to take down Adalon just you can skip some stuff, lol.

Hey wait a minute, I don't have any rods of resurrection either (couldn't afford them)...Oh but I have 4 characters who can resurrect so maybe that's not so bad.

Grr, double-post. I clicked submit but didn't see my post. I refreshed my browser and still didn't see it, so thought my post was eaten up. Now I see that both are there...they have different info though so guess will leave them.

Modifié par corey_russell, 16 septembre 2010 - 03:54 .

[Incantatar]

Varius Human Conjurer 18 with Anomen and Imoen

Ch5
-Entered the Underdark
-helped Vithal
-helped the gnomes
(killed all enemies on the map)
-spoke to Adalon, promised her to help
-entered Ust Natha and followed the main quest line till speaking with Mother Ardulace
-killed Quile for the Aboleth
-entered Ilithid city (wanted to enter Beholder's lair)
-two accidental successfull hits from a Mind Flayer killed Anomen (he tried to use the circlet)
remember Rod of Resurrection with Jaheira under the earth, and Anomen the only Priest.  See you in Athkathla Anomen. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/uncertain.png[/smilie]
-only Imoen and me now. I have to really step careful now. Don't know if i should do the optional stuff at all now.
-still in Ilithid dungeon

Varius lvl 19 69hp, Imoen lvl15 71hp, Anomen lvl 25/7 (dead)

Wow worst of all no Chaotic Commands and Free Action anymore

Modifié par Incantatar, 16 septembre 2010 - 04:37 .

[corey_russell]

You are in the Illithid dungeon so this isn't much help but if you got the Greenstome Amulet in the Beholder's Lair that would protect you from the Mind Flayer Psionics. Good luck. I intend to do the illithid city I and I fully expect my no-reload to end there.

[Incantatar]

Varius Conjurer 19 with Imoen and Anomen (DEAD)

Oh damnit this protocol here  kills all text if you accidently hit the page back button. I wrote a long and cool story of my stupidness.

Ch5 continued
Lets just say i had two freaking near death experiences. the latter being disrupting True Sight casting of Elder Orb while being Invisible not Improved Invisible. Got instantly charmed and feared. But the stupid thing completly debuffed me giving me the opportunity to flee. He naturally followed me and stepped in my 2 Glabrezu trap.
The rest of the dungeon was very cool. I was Improved Invisible with SI:Div and let Demons follow me, who slaughtered the Beholders.






Fiends are super awesome in SR see here forums.gibberlings3.net/index.php, but on the other hand also dangerous especially no-reloading. They could have possibly killed me on two occasions. But hey i'm a Conjurer, thats the risk i take.

Varius lvl 20, Imoen lvl 16/7, Anomen (RIP)

[Incantatar]

Does anyone know if Deirex comes outside his house if lured? (SCS2)
I need to find a good strategy. Setting up a trap for him would be a possibility. He's very dangerous. (lvl28/Imprisonment/Wish/Gate)

Modifié par Incantatar, 16 septembre 2010 - 08:48 .

[Thrar]

Isn't there a temple somewhere in Ust'Natha? I don't remember for sure but I thought they had clerical services available.

[Incantatar]

There is a temple but afaik no services. I found another way: Planetar. He has Raise Dead.

[corey_russell]

There are clerical services in Sahuagin City, but I am not aware of any in Ust Natha.



Hunter the Level 9 Fighter dualed to a mage (level 13 mage at the moment):



So Hunter got boonswoggled by Irenicus posing as the director. Surprise, surprise. He survived Bhaal thanks to his +2 halberd he got from the prostitution ring's guards, mirror image, stoneskin & haste. A few criticals along the way didn't hurt either. His WIS score after the dream is now a whopping....2



Solving the spellhold puzzles occurred mostly without incident. The free action ring book with the monsters though, that was interesting. Jaheira and Anomen were slain by the mind flayer, we had to resurrect them via spell. We don't have the shield of balduran either, so when the beholder appeared we hit it with everything (bolts of glory, magic missiles, flame arrow etc.) and it went down before it could petrify anyone. Everything else in Spellhold was a piece of cake for my team. In case no on remembers, this is my team's line-up:



Jaheira level 10 fighter/12 druid

Anomen level 7 fighter dualed to cleric (level 14)

Viconia Level 13 cleric (love interest)

Hunter (PC) Level 9 fighter dualed to mage (level 13)

Imoen level 7 thief dualed to mage (level 12)

Aerie cleric/mage



We went with Saemon (forced pretty much if we want any chance of clearing the beholder lair need that cloak of mirroring), despite his murky motives. Our ship got attacked by Sahuagin and we got captured. However they wanted us to kill a rebel for them. We did so.



Then we got to the Underdark. We attacked the mind flayers who were just above our position, Jaheria fell, but strangely Anomen tanked good (but then again he had gulped some potions of genius before the battle so maybe that's why).



This apparently is not a real powerful group, as we took a lot of damage clearing the mass of earth elementals that appeared from a gate (read: gulped a LOT of heal potions). Maybe Hunter should tank the next batch of elementals...

[Incantatar]

Ok i'm in serious trouble, after returning the blood to Mother Ardulace and then went to Phaere. I said i would help her betray Ardulace but she didn't believe me. WTH?
She attacked and i killed her. Now outside everyone was hostile i cast Haste and made a quick run to the exit, which was sealed when i arrived. Now am i srewed or what?

I don't have the better drow defenses component of SCS2. Only the AI scripts. I never fought with Ust Natha though. I heard i must kill everyone in the city, is that correct? What have i to expect?

Edit: This was super easy. Ridiculous easy. I'm still unsure if i should confront Deirex. I'd love to have the Remove Magic scroll. I think i'll try it.

Edit2: The game hung now after i entered Deirex' tower and immediately left again. I forgot you will be teleported away. The only thing i could do was Alt-4 out of the game :-/

Edit3: I load the autosave inside Deirex. i needed several rounds to understand that the missing gui was not a gamebreaking bug. When pressing pause i could see the gui. I went outside completely debuffed and hurt. He didn't follow me. I saved and reload that save and the gui was back normally. I went back in and killed Deirex without much hassle so to say.

Modifié par Incantatar, 17 septembre 2010 - 05:28 .

[Alesia_BH]

Best of luck to all the current No Reloaders!

Btw. Do we have a current list of those who have successfully completed the challenge?

I'm interested in doing another run and it would nice to know what's been done before.

Best,

A.

Modifié par Alesia_BH, 17 septembre 2010 - 05:58 .

[Incantatar]

Btw. Do we have a current list of those who have successfully completed the challenge?

I don't think so. It would be cool though.


Ok now the bugs start spreading in my game. I was killed instantly after speaking to Elhan. I said what i always say with my good chars. The truth and that i'll destroy Bodhi. He gave me his stuff said good luck and teleported away. Directly after this  insta-kill of my PC. WTH? Can someone explain this?

[corey_russell]

Is it possible your talk with Elhan is a charisma check? I always have my lead character with the ring of human influence. I can't remember being insta-killed though, so not sure but I always do the same choices too.

[Incantatar]

I don't think so. I had Cha 14 and Elhan was not angry. The Elf that insta-killed me was hostile before Elhan spoke to me. Then he was neutral, after getting the Bodhi quest he was hostile again.

[Alesia_BH]

Incantatar wrote...

Btw. Do we have a current list of those who have successfully completed the challenge?

I don't think so. It would be cool though.

Ack. I did a search and it looks like the last update was back in Thread 17...

http://forums.biowar...&forum=18&sp=15

It would be nice if we could comb through the last 8 editions, compile a current list, and then update each time the thread is restarted.

That would take a lot of work from one individual, however, if we split it up(Ex- One person takes 17-18, another 19-20, etc), it it would't be so bad. If anyone is interested in helping, PM me.

Cheers,

A.


UPDATE: Incantatar and Serg BlackStrider have agreed to help. Thanks guys!

Between the three of use, we have 17-23 covered.  We could still defintely use at least one more person to help with 24 though. Contact me if you are willing.

Modifié par Alesia_BH, 17 septembre 2010 - 08:42 .

[biowherewolf]

 Viertes update

Things are getting interesting and a bit weird .....

First, I need to preface this by saying that I generally do no-reloads now. So, it's been a long, loooong time since I've actually made it this far.  As a result, my memory isn't very good and I'm making some strange mistakes. 

The Asylum 
 So they fight their way to the asylum. Kinda felt that it was a bit lame -- like "let's put monsters out here for the fun of it". But, they got through ok. 
Inside, they blah blah blah.. and blah blah blah, and poison in  the food.. and 

The Asylum Dungeon
They were a bit greedy for experience 
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but pretty much rained death and destruction on everything they encountered. 
Even Bodhi and Dace weren't really an issue. The whole changing into the slayer thing kinda sucked, but no one died from it. 
They picked up some nice loot -- boots of speed, etc. And some decent exp, so a good time was had by all. 

The Asylum part II
the guy at the top of the stairs was a bit tough. I knew he'd be there. I didn't realize how rough the fight would be. 
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Then came the big fight. 
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I was completely  Jonny boy to be tough. What i didn't expect was how tough the management of the actual battle would be. I would tell Viccy to cast a spell. But there were tons of other people involved. So the updates were scrolling past faster than I could follow. A bit later, I wasn't sure if Viccy had actually finished casting or not. Not ony  that, after following the action, I wasn't even 100% sure which spell I told her to cast. Sometimes, I remembered, but sometimes I'd get distracted. Add to that the fact that I had 2 Viccy's because of the simulacrum helm, and it got a little rough.  Add to that the fact that Viertes, Immy and Jaheira were also casting and it got a bit confusing. 

Worse, I couldn't see *anything*. All of the spell casters had protection spells up and it was impossible to tell whether the thing standing next to Triax was Jon, a summoned creature, a shadow, or your own party member, which made targeting spells a real struggle. 

then came the confusing messages, like Immy and Viccy showing "death" and then casting spells
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You know how in a no-reload, you can see when you're going to loose it? I saw it in coming this fight. I knew I was beat. 
Then I noticed a weird thing. I was loosing, but so was Jon. When I finally got to see him and hovered over, he was "near death". If i can just hang on a little more.... maybe.....
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and Viertes' team was still up. 

Brynnlaw Again
The return to the town was lame after that. 
The ship captain met, the pirate's wife dealt with, the pirate king and his pirate subjects wiped out. No biggie after Jon. 
So Viertes and company get on the ship and head out. They're at sea for four days, during which time, it seems they don't bother to rest or rememorize spells. Cuz they're clever that way... I mean.... *REAAAALY* people. Who put that in the game? "Oh..oh, i know... they'll be on a ship for four days, with absolutely nothing to do, but they wont' bother sleeping or prepping any spells." ... esh.

So they get attacked by the Githyankis (or New York Yankees, I forget which). The Yankees board the ship. Now, as mentioned, I dont' really remember this part. I'm sure that last time I played this far (and that was a long time ago) I didn't take this path, but followed Jon through his portal-thingie. So when we get attacked, I don't know the possible outcomes. So the group started to crank their last remaining spells on the Yankees. Once I realized the battle was over, I cranked even harder, hoping to snatch up all the exp available. I figured .. "hey, they're retreating... there's no more danger... *zap*". It was quite in character for Viertes actually. 

Sahuagin City 
So, next thing they know, the group is in a shark city. Yeah, it seems strange that these shark people actually breathe air and live among the waves, but not actually in them... but.. eh.. what the heck. 
So after some more "blah blah blah", they find themselves locked in a dual with an Ettin. Now, this could've gone very badly, except that I remembered that Ettins attacks aren't magical. By the way... this is screwy. Mountain bears can hit iron golems, but Ettins can't even hit anything that requires a +1? Ah well, Immy and Viertes had some protect from normal weapons scrolls so... 
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they decided to take out the big eye
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the fight to kill the king was pretty easy, except that Viertes got stunned. Maybe could've been the end of the game except that she had a contingency to throw invisibility if she became helpless
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 Once they took out the king, they went after the prince. No reason to pass up the extra treasure/exp. Then they invisibilitied their way out of the city to the underdark. 

They are:
Viertes

Jaheira

Viccy

And
Immy

Next time -- The Underdark
--B. Where