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[uzivatel]

Undead Nutcase wrote...

I honestly dislike being a human, ...

Discuss?

Well, I dont know ... 

[SirOccam]

Undead Nutcase wrote...

1. Your character is not a Grey Warden, hello Grey Wardens are one of the main foundations of the DA universe are they not? The story is built around the Blights, the fall of the tevinter imperium and the rise of the chantry were greatly contributed to by the first blight if I read the codex entries correctly. The Blights and the Grey Wardens have a signifigant impact on what is going on.

I can see why it would seem that way...the entirety of Origins focused on them. But we only have a sample size of 1, which is pretty small. That means anything that is in Origins might appear to be more important than it actually is. It's like trying to take a survey of people's favorite color, but stopping after 1 person and saying "100% of people like blue best."

2. I don't get to see what happens to my character after Awakening, that was what half of my anticipation was for DA2. When I played DA:Origins I felt like I was the character and my own morality often played into my choices of my characters actions. It was like reading a good book thats sequal was scrapped.

There will be more DLC for Origins before DA2 is released. There'll be plenty more story for our Wardens, I'm sure.

3. ME:2 was not a game I can get in to and if DA2 ia anything like it I'm probably not going to waste my cash on it and put more money into games like Halo Reach and CoD Black Ops.

The fact is, it's way too soon to tell if DA2 will be "anything like it." yet. All we have seen are a couple of shared characteristics...but again, that's not enough. It'd be like seeing 2 people with brown hair and blue eyes and declaring them to be just like each other. Just as there is a lot more to a person than their hair and eye color, there's a lot more to ME than a voice and a wheel.

4. I honestly wanted to fight darkspawn, or do something along those lines as a race of my choice. I honestly dislike being a human, in DA:Origins my favorite stories were those of the Dwarves.

My suggestion: play DA:O some more. I honestly think that's the only way you're going to get something that matches it that closely. I'm not trying to be a smartass there. Really, they said VERY early on that future games aren't going to be YAB (Yet Another Blight). (I always wondered why they bother abbreviating it, since the explanation of the abbreviation is always there too.)

5. It won't be DA anymore. Honestly, I would at least like to create a character of any race and go through any origin story I wished or continue the quest of another one of my characters or their children, descendants, w/e. In my opinion DA2 is going to be a huge flop...

If your idea of DA is specifically "Dragon Age: Origins," then you're right. It won't. But there's a lot more to Dragon Age than one particular Grey Warden. Yes, that Grey Warden did a great thing, but life goes on for Thedas. There's a lot more that needs to be done, and our Wardens earned themselves a nice long vacation (AFTER THEY FIND MORRIGAN THAT IS; GET TO WORK WARDENS).

As for being a flop...well, just no. BioWare (and the DA team specifically) are good at making games. People have already started pre-ordering. I don't think your opinions accurately reflect the market as a whole (there's that "sample size" thing again), and therefore your dissatisfaction doesn't really say anything about the game's performance financially.

Modifié par SirOccam, 14 juillet 2010 - 07:50 .

[Behindyounow]

As a non-human, I am disgusted that I am forced to play as a human.

[Dave of Canada]

Behindyounow wrote...

As a non-human, I am disgusted that I am forced to play as a human.

They aren't that bad, you get used to their tendencies after a few years.

[DarkSpiral]

Undead Nutcase wrote...

1. Your character is not a Grey Warden, hello Grey Wardens are one of the main foundations of the DA universe are they not? The story is built around the Blights, the fall of the tevinter imperium and the rise of the chantry were greatly contributed to by the first blight if I read the codex entries correctly. The Blights and the Grey Wardens have a signifigant impact on what is going on.

Signifcant, yes.  Every few centuries, that is.  Blights don't occur rapidly.  Therefore a Grey Warden-focus for the entire series was never even a possbility, unless they were going to jump entire centuries in the process.  Given that the game is called Dragon Age, jumping to another Age entireley was, again, not a possiility.

2. I don't get to see what happens to my character after Awakening, that was what half of my anticipation was for DA2. When I played DA:Origins I felt like I was the character and my own morality often played into my choices of my characters actions. It was like reading a good book thats sequal was scrapped.

Bioware made it clear the same day that DA2 was announced that they DLC was the meduim they were going to use to tie up any loose ends from DA:O.  Whether or not they actually do it is another matter.

3. ME:2 was not a game I can get in to and if DA2 ia anything like it I'm probably not going to waste my cash on it and put more money into games like Halo Reach and CoD Black Ops.

Except that this isn't ME2.  No really that's very important to remember.  That is Dragon Age 2.  The fact that they have included one feature from ME in this new game is not indicitive in any way that were are going to be given a thrid person shooter with swords.  Or crossbows.  Whichever!

4. I honestly wanted to fight darkspawn, or do something along those lines as a race of my choice. I honestly dislike being a human, in DA:Origins my favorite stories were those of the Dwarves.

Now, here I agree with you.  On the plus side, having a character that is mor edefined means the story can be less generalized, so as to take into account the many variables that exist in a story like Dragon Age had.  Also, who said you won't be fighting darkspawn?  I bet hard cash money you'll fight darkspawn plenty of times.  Not exclusively, no, but you didn't fight them exclusively in DA:O either.

5. It won't be DA anymore. Honestly, I would at least like to create a character of any race and go through any origin story I wished or continue the quest of another one of my characters or their children, descendants, w/e. In my opinion DA2 is going to be a huge flop...

Oh BOY is it ever to early to decalre this game a flop.  Seriously.  Seven to eight months away from release?  Basically little to no real info about what the game is going to be like?  No one can decalre this is going to be a flop yet, without possessing supernatural powers of foresight.  You certainly can decalre it to not be to your liking.  Many peopel already have.  Many people have also delcared the dialogue wheel and the voiced main charactrer to be very much to their liking.  You do have a valid point about the origin stories; if they first two or three hours defined theh whole rest of the game experience for you, than you definetly will miss out in a game that doesn't have them.

[Massadonious1]

Besides, you should be out "collecting" things, not playing video games.



Harbinger isn't going to be happy that you're slacking off.

[Oronduil]

My disappointment with DA2 is this forum.

[Remaix]

I get most of the complaints out there, but jeeeeez. I'm getting really tired of people calling DA2 "Mass Effect with SWORDS!". The reason for this being the pre-defined character and the dialogue wheel. Of which we have confirmation that it will be different from Mass Effect. Yet people seem to be ignoring this.

Not that I don't agree with a few things, like the races (I pretty much always play elves and dwarves, myself), but that's a different story all together.

[Chairon de Celeste]

None so far - I admit that I was shocked about the single race and gender choice.
I thought 'At  that rate DA  3 will be announced "Don't miss Bioware's stunnng
mechanime dvd movie!"

But honestly, it is far too early for any verdict at this point.

[Chuvvy]

And wait until there's more than a paragraph of info some concept art and two pre alpha photos. Then you can make an informed argument.

[Omicrone]

Wahahaha somebody's disappointed with a game they haven't even played yet. That's a first. Or is it?

[FieryDove]

I think I'll make a list...the *few* of you who stick around and after the game is out start -ranting, whining, complaining, moaning- I'll be sure to remind you all how you treated others as you will probably get served the same. Remember what goes around comes around.



Maybe Stanley and CP will ban everyone on the forums for a week. Would be a good thing.

[Oerwinde]

My biggest disappointments are:

No race choice

Awful radial conversation system. Didn't like it in Mass Effect, didn't like it in Mass Effect 2. I don't want a cinematic experience in a game. If I want a cinematic experience I'll watch a movie.

Free marches would not have been my choice for setting. Tevinter would be first choice, Orlais 2nd choice, Antiva 3rd choice, but this is easy to get over.

No origins. Multiple starts has been a request of mine for RPGs for like 10 years, because the beginning is the part I least want to replay.



What I'm looking forward to the most is seeing why the Free Marches is where they set it, and having a 10 year span for the story means I'll actually get to see the results of my choices. Which is HUGE and may make up for the lack of origins. Though I doubt it. Hopefully DA3 has origins and a multi-year story span

[AmstradHero]

Undead Nutcase wrote...
1. Your character is not a Grey Warden, hello Grey Wardens are one of the main foundations of the DA universe are they not?

The world of Thedas is big. Do we have to play as Wardens all the time? Heroes come from all walks of life - why should we walk in the same footsteps we already trod in the original game?

Undead Nutcase wrote...
2. I don't get to see what happens to my character after Awakening, that was what half of my anticipation was for DA2. When I played DA:Origins I felt like I was the character and my own morality often played into my choices of my characters actions. It was like reading a good book thats sequal was scrapped.

And I've been waiting for another Thief game for years. Descent even longer. Why do we have to continue the story of one character? I'm happy to let my character become a legend of my own creation within Ferelden. Do we really need to be explicitly told what happens to our character? Can't we just imagine it for ourselves?

Undead Nutcase wrote...
3. ME:2 was not a game I can get in to and if DA2 ia anything like it I'm probably not going to waste my cash on it and put more money into games like Halo Reach and CoD Black Ops.

Ahhhhhahahahahahahaha ha ha *cough* ha ha ha. DA2 will be a waste of money but Halo Reach will not? Excuse me while I try to stop gutlaughing. Modern Warfare 1 was good... MW2 terrible, and Treyarch have yet to produce a good installment in the series...

Undead Nutcase wrote...
4. I honestly wanted to fight darkspawn, or do something along those lines as a race of my choice. I honestly dislike being a human, in DA:Origins my favorite stories were those of the Dwarves.

I, for one, am looking forward to having more complex enemies above and beyond the Archdemon. I don't mind fighting darkspawn, but I better be fighting intelligent enemies. A good antagonist helps to make for a good game - see this series of posts on my blog for an explanation as to why.

Undead Nutcase wrote...
5. It won't be DA anymore. Honestly, I would at least like to create a character of any race and go through any origin story I wished or continue the quest of another one of my characters or their children, descendants, w/e. In my opinion DA2 is going to be a huge flop...

No, it won't be Dragon Age: Origins. Perhaps calling it Dragon Age 2 is the problem. Perhaps if they called it "Dragon Age: Champion of Kirkwall" (but that's probably too long) or maybe "Dragon Age: Legend" or something else, it would be easier for people to swallow. Dragon Age is a time period in the world of Thedas - games bearing the moniker don't all have to adhere to the same format.

I don''t mind not being able to pick my race/origin. Is it a nice feature? Yes. Is it mandatory for good roleplaying? No.

[Chairon de Celeste]

AmstradHero wrote...
I don''t mind not being able to pick my race/origin. Is it a nice feature? Yes. Is it mandatory for good roleplaying? No.

Like in any other game's case:
the preorders and the 1rst 14 days on retail store shelves / in online stores
will tell if the customers think something mandatory is missing or if  the
devs and publisher will have convinced them.

I'd say the latter will happen, remembering the commotion about NWN OC in
development and the Baldur's Gate community's fears.

Modifié par Chairon de Celeste, 14 juillet 2010 - 10:39 .

[FDrage]

beside ... I can finally play a human commoner.

[Nerevar-as]

Point with the name of the game. Is it comfirmed as DA2? Changing the number for a word/short phrase would work better, more considering it is not continuing the story or main character from the first.

[Games4ever]

Biggest Disappointments for DA2



My only thing is that it looks like a cartoon movie seen from the two of pictures

[Pygmali0n]

Perhaps you approached the not-a-warden-player-character revelation from the wrong angle Undead Nutcase - surely the disappointment is it's not going to be MY warden - and sod the wardens' role in Thedas.



DA2 isn't really a sequel - it's another story set in the same world - welcome by itself - otherwise getting in the way of my character's progression - about which great anticipation was built up in DA:O and Awakening.



Any simplification or dumbing down of combat is not welcome - but let's see what they come up with first.

[Chairon de Celeste]

Games4ever wrote...

Biggest Disappointments for DA2

My only thing is that it looks like a cartoon movie seen from the two of pictures

I take it yo refer to the 2 early concept art samples in the da 2 hp gallery and haven't
discovered the 2 pre-alpha screensshots on game informer's pages yet?

Do you remember the 1rst 2 or 3 pre alpha character and companion shots
of Dragon Age: Origins in development?
They have almost nothing in common with those in final product.

Maybe someone at Bioware could help out with them?
They are no longer accessible via NWN BioWare

Modifié par Chairon de Celeste, 14 juillet 2010 - 11:39 .

[Ariel216]

well, some of the stuff u complaining about are really unknown, but it kind of sucks that i cant be difftrent than a human =\\ i really dislike the noble line, i like the dwarf noble the most :-)

well but who knows, i liked mass effect 2, maybe this will be even better...

(SORRY FOR SPELLING :S)

[Games4ever]

Chairon de Celeste wrote...

Games4ever wrote...

Biggest Disappointments for DA2

My only thing is that it looks like a cartoon movie seen from the two of pictures

I guess you refer to the 2 early concept art samples in the da 2 hp gallery and haven't
discovered the 2 pre-alpha screensshots on game informer's pages yet?

I refer to the 2 screensshots from game informer's pages, and how do you know they are  
alpha screensshots??

why would they show some terrible screensshots if the game actually looks much better??   
 

[Chairon de Celeste]

Please see my edit - the early DA Origins close pre-alpha ingame character shots
din't look too impressive compared with those we know now.

Modifié par Chairon de Celeste, 14 juillet 2010 - 11:44 .

[Games4ever]

Chairon de Celeste wrote...

Please see my edit - the early DA Origins close pre-alpha ingame character shots
din't look too impressive compared with those we know now.

I have seen it. But I was far from impressed with the graphics in DA Origins when it finally came out, would really hope they could improve it strongly for DA 2.

[AmstradHero]

Chairon de Celeste wrote...

AmstradHero wrote...
I don''t mind not being able to pick my race/origin. Is it a nice feature? Yes. Is it mandatory for good roleplaying? No.

Like in any other game's case: the preorders and the 1rst 14 days on retail store shelves / in online stores will tell if the customers think something mandatory is missing or if  the devs and publisher will have convinced them.

I'd say the latter will happen, remembering the commotion about NWN OC in development and the Baldur's Gate community's fears.

What difference did choosing a race in BG or NWN make? Roleplay wise - NONE. If affecting levelling mechanics only.
What "different origins" did you have in BG or NWN? None.

Saying that Dragon Age 2 is going to be worse than BG/NWN because it lacks elements that were never in those games is ridiculous at best.

We've not had the "origins" concept given to us previously and carried through the entire game as was done in the first game. Why must we demand that the next game in the series give us that concept.  Perhaps we can have something better, in that our choices provide consequences that will flow with us through the entirety of the game, rather than simply the race we picked at the start of the game.

If you liked the "origins" aspect of the game, that's fine, and I have no issue with anyone declaring that. But saying the DA2 is going to be bad because it lacks that feature that has not been equally realised in any other RPG to date is not a sensible argument.