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[YoungNV]

Undead Nutcase wrote...

It was like reading a good book thats sequal was scrapped.

4. I honestly wanted to fight darkspawn, or do something along those lines as a race of my choice. I honestly dislike being a human, in DA:Origins my favorite stories were those of the Dwarves.

5. It won't be DA anymore. Honestly, I would at least like to create a character of any race and go through any origin story I wished or continue the quest of another one of my characters or their children, descendants, w/e. In my opinion DA2 is going to be a huge flop...

Discuss?

Here's how I look at it:
Origins is to Thedas as The Silmarillion is to Middle Earth. It contains the legends and deeds that the world is built upon. The impact of your decisions and exploits as The Warden, will be felt throughout time: including in DA2. 

Now, DA2 is to Thedas as LOTR is to Middle Earth. It's not meant to be a sequel. It's a new story based upon the foundations—origins—set by the earlier works.

Are you saying that you want to play yet another Dwarfish origin story? I mean, I played through each origin story in DAO, and while each was interesting, they sort of covered all the bases. I think it would be a little redundant to go back and play yet another origin story. Do you really want to play though a harrowing again? Do you really want to fight in the proving again?

I'm glad there are no more separate origins.

Besides: Hawke will have an extremely deep origin story. As will the companions he meets along the way. So, don't worry: you'll get your origin story; and you'll get to join up with dwarfish allies, if it's dwarves you love.

Further, you say you would like to continue the story of your Warden from DAO. Why? The blight is over! The Warden is a boring character without a blight. He/she is a minor player in Thedas in the post-blight era. Also, by the end of Awakening, The Warden was such an overpowered character. You can't start a new game with a million spells and magic weapons, armor, etc. There's no fun in ploughing through a 60 hour game with an overpowered character from the beginning. 

The best tales begin with a character who has nothing—or is stripped of everything; and must fight to earn that which he/she seeks. In the end, Hawke will become a very important power in the post-blight era. Grey Wardens will be but tools for him to utilize how he sees fit. Do you want to play as your Warden?—a tool? Or do you want to play as Hawke? The man who rose from the ashes of the blight to become the most powerful man in Thedas. 

[Gambient]

Already topics on this. Do you really think your worries warrant a topic of your own? You don't.

[Chairon de Celeste]

AmstradHero wrote...

Chairon de Celeste wrote...

AmstradHero wrote...
I don''t mind not being able to pick my race/origin. Is it a nice feature? Yes. Is it mandatory for good roleplaying? No.

Like in any other game's case: the preorders and the 1rst 14 days on retail store shelves / in online stores will tell if the customers think something mandatory is missing or if  the devs and publisher will have convinced them.

I'd say the latter will happen, remembering the commotion about NWN OC in development and the Baldur's Gate community's fears.

What difference did choosing a race in BG or NWN make? Roleplay wise - NONE. If affecting levelling mechanics only.
What "different origins" did you have in BG or NWN? None.

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My point is that BioWare will surely prove the doomsayyers wrong again

[OriginsIsBest]

Oh I agree, My biggest disapointment was the Mass effect wheel and your character being voiced. Hopefully BioWare is just showing us a different viewpoint in DA2 then in DA3 they will take us back to our roots ... maybe be the warden again?



I really cant see myself playing this like Origins and buying every DLC or expansion pack like Origins but im waiting for more info before deciding to pass. Even though the info so far has been really disapointing for me at least.

[Marzillius]

 Don't get DA2 then. No one will miss you.

[Chanegade]

Undead Nutcase wrote...


1. Your character is not a Grey Warden, hello Grey Wardens are one of the main foundations of the DA universe are they not? The story is built around the Blights, the fall of the tevinter imperium and the rise of the chantry were greatly contributed to by the first blight if I read the codex entries correctly. The Blights and the Grey Wardens have a signifigant impact on what is going on.

Being a warden again would be redundant. And I really don't want that same Bioware cliche story where YOU are the only thing that can save the earth against a great evil

[Chairon de Celeste]

It doesn't take me a crystal ball to tell that the confirmed
info we have so far is less than 1% of the overall info
we'll get from directly from BioWare over time on DA rtp
- so no worries here.

[Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams]

JigPig wrote...

Undead Nutcase wrote...
I'm probably not going to waste my cash on it and put more money into games like Halo Reach and CoD Black Ops.

Is it wrong that I choked with laughter while I was drinking when I read this?

I nearly did as well. Seriously, Bioware only makes quality games. Are they going to be exactly what you're looking for? Maybe or maybe not; however, there is no Bioware game I have bought that I did not feel I got my money's worth. So instead of wasting money on extensions of popular titles quickly developed for the sake of capital that will most likely be of much lesser quality than the originals (ala World at War and Halo 3:ODST),  I'll "waste" money on DA2 which will assuredly be a great game whether or not it's exactly what I expected.

[WingsandRings]

Uh...can I go ahead and wait until I PLAY the game before I answer this?

[Tizle]

Undead Nutcase wrote...

Note: Edited Disappointment 1 so people will udners tand more clearly what I am coming from.

Honestly, I was ready to gouge my eyes out with a spoon waiting for info on DA2. And now, I am enraged at what Bioware has done. See, I don't have Mass Effect 2 registered because I don't have the game. I played the Demo, and was honestly not impressed.

My biggest disappointments are:

1. Your character is not a Grey Warden, hello Grey Wardens are one of the main foundations of the DA universe are they not? The story is built around the Blights, the fall of the tevinter imperium and the rise of the chantry were greatly contributed to by the first blight if I read the codex entries correctly. The Blights and the Grey Wardens have a signifigant impact on what is going on.

2. I don't get to see what happens to my character after Awakening, that was what half of my anticipation was for DA2. When I played DA:Origins I felt like I was the character and my own morality often played into my choices of my characters actions. It was like reading a good book thats sequal was scrapped.

3. ME:2 was not a game I can get in to and if DA2 ia anything like it I'm probably not going to waste my cash on it and put more money into games like Halo Reach and CoD Black Ops.

4. I honestly wanted to fight darkspawn, or do something along those lines as a race of my choice. I honestly dislike being a human, in DA:Origins my favorite stories were those of the Dwarves.

5. It won't be DA anymore. Honestly, I would at least like to create a character of any race and go through any origin story I wished or continue the quest of another one of my characters or their children, descendants, w/e. In my opinion DA2 is going to be a huge flop...

Discuss?

im sorry that you think this game will SUCK. first off i was highly OFFENDED when you said "it won't be DA anymore" WTF is it then??? just because it ain't "ORIGINS" (hence why the name was the title of the first game) doesn't mean it ain't DRAGON AGE! do you know how many star wars games there've been w/ unknown characters??? MANY! are you gonna say those aren't star wars games because they don't follow LUKE/DARTH VADER??? HELL NO YOU WONT!
dragon age, mass effect, and star wars (using my example) are set in IMAGINARY times and places, let's say they are in their own universe/world.
btw, i will stop my post here, but i could probably bash everything you said. all your points.
                PS. how could you not get "into" ME:2? FAIL...

[Tizle]

YoungNV wrote...

Undead Nutcase wrote...

It was like reading a good book thats sequal was scrapped.

4. I honestly wanted to fight darkspawn, or do something along those lines as a race of my choice. I honestly dislike being a human, in DA:Origins my favorite stories were those of the Dwarves.

5. It won't be DA anymore. Honestly, I would at least like to create a character of any race and go through any origin story I wished or continue the quest of another one of my characters or their children, descendants, w/e. In my opinion DA2 is going to be a huge flop...

Discuss?

Here's how I look at it:
Origins is to Thedas as The Silmarillion is to Middle Earth. It contains the legends and deeds that the world is built upon. The impact of your decisions and exploits as The Warden, will be felt throughout time: including in DA2. 

Now, DA2 is to Thedas as LOTR is to Middle Earth. It's not meant to be a sequel. It's a new story based upon the foundations—origins—set by the earlier works.

Are you saying that you want to play yet another Dwarfish origin story? I mean, I played through each origin story in DAO, and while each was interesting, they sort of covered all the bases. I think it would be a little redundant to go back and play yet another origin story. Do you really want to play though a harrowing again? Do you really want to fight in the proving again?

I'm glad there are no more separate origins.

Besides: Hawke will have an extremely deep origin story. As will the companions he meets along the way. So, don't worry: you'll get your origin story; and you'll get to join up with dwarfish allies, if it's dwarves you love.

Further, you say you would like to continue the story of your Warden from DAO. Why? The blight is over! The Warden is a boring character without a blight. He/she is a minor player in Thedas in the post-blight era. Also, by the end of Awakening, The Warden was such an overpowered character. You can't start a new game with a million spells and magic weapons, armor, etc. There's no fun in ploughing through a 60 hour game with an overpowered character from the beginning. 

The best tales begin with a character who has nothing—or is stripped of everything; and must fight to earn that which he/she seeks. In the end, Hawke will become a very important power in the post-blight era. Grey Wardens will be but tools for him to utilize how he sees fit. Do you want to play as your Warden?—a tool? Or do you want to play as Hawke? The man who rose from the ashes of the blight to become the most powerful man in Thedas. 

i agree w/ you. WTF (the w is for WHY) would you want to play "dragon age: origins 2"? seriously. origins is where the character came from, which we've done that. plus either your *SPOILER* character in origins is a king (not too exciting for a sequel. this is probably why there's no LOTR 4) or they died.
i think this game will be SO MUCH MORE AWESOME than the 1st one. combat should be more ACTION!!!

[Tizle]

 dangit. sorry for saying your character is a king... i forgot that alastair becomes king, i'm like his sidekick >.< oops!

[Narreneth]

Chairon de Celeste wrote...

None so far - I admit that I was shocked about the single race and gender choice.
I thought 'At  that rate DA  3 will be announced "Don't miss Bioware's stunnng
mechanime dvd movie!"

But honestly, it is far too early for any verdict at this point.

For the last time you are NOT restricted to one gender in DA 2.  Quit spreading misinformation and learn to read.

[Heimdall]

YoungNV wrote...

Undead Nutcase wrote...

It was like reading a good book thats sequal was scrapped.

4. I honestly wanted to fight darkspawn, or do something along those lines as a race of my choice. I honestly dislike being a human, in DA:Origins my favorite stories were those of the Dwarves.

5. It won't be DA anymore. Honestly, I would at least like to create a character of any race and go through any origin story I wished or continue the quest of another one of my characters or their children, descendants, w/e. In my opinion DA2 is going to be a huge flop...

Discuss?

Here's how I look at it:
Origins is to Thedas as The Silmarillion is to Middle Earth. It contains the legends and deeds that the world is built upon. The impact of your decisions and exploits as The Warden, will be felt throughout time: including in DA2. 

Now, DA2 is to Thedas as LOTR is to Middle Earth. It's not meant to be a sequel. It's a new story based upon the foundations—origins—set by the earlier works.

I veiw it like this as well.  Sort of more like DA:O and DA2 are two seperate stories withing the Silmarillion.  They may be intrconnected but at the end of the day they are seperate stories in the same universe.

While I have hopes for future expansions and DLC for my Warden, I have no qualms with DA2 not being about him.

[saeid]

The biggest disappointment for DA2 is "Masseffectism" <_< of bioware and I hate that.

Modifié par saeid, 14 juillet 2010 - 02:33 .

[Chairon de Celeste]

Narreneth wrote...

Chairon de Celeste wrote...

None so far - I admit that I was shocked about the single race and gender choice.
I thought 'At  that rate DA  3 will be announced "Don't miss Bioware's stunnng
mechanime dvd movie!"

But honestly, it is far too early for any verdict at this point.

For the last time you are NOT restricted to one gender in DA 2.  Quit spreading misinformation and learn to read.

In my book gender choice  means: female or male
and I don't imply oherwise there.- at least not willingly.
Sorry for the misunderstanding

[orpheus333]

On the matter of Race people need to realise that in a story more focused on the protagonist. Race is largely ignored (other than special abilities) see Baldur's Gate for this example. DA could tell a story where race played a factor because on the whole the story wasn't about a specific individual.

[Seagloom]

There is already a catchall thread for writing DA2 news criticisms. Please post your concerns there. Thank you.