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Gate70 wrote...

I've lost track - which classes/kits haven't no-reloaded the trilogy, I'd like to concentrate on one of those for a while (thanks in advance).


If you mean solo, then the list is still pretty long- it would be far easier to specify the few that have made it. Overall it looks like this (roughly).

Paladins: Unkitted, Undead Hunter, Cavalier
Fighters: Unkitted, Wizard Slayer, Kensai
Rangers: All! (Can you see youself as a Ranger Gate?)
Clerics: Unkitted, Priest of Helm, Priest of Talos
Druids: Totemic, Avenger, Shapeshifter
Thiefs: Unkitted, Bounty Hunter, Swashbuckler
Bards: Unkitted, Jester, Skald
Mages: All! (Though we did have a sorceress) 
Multis: Cleric/Ranger (These are monsters- surprised we haven't had one yet), F/M/C 

Btw: We still need to add BBMorti's Assassin, Anatole to the master list.

Modifié par Alesia_BH, 23 avril 2013 - 08:19 .


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Alesia_BH wrote...

Btw: We still need to add BBMorti's Assassin, Anatole to the master list.[/i]


As I've mentioned before, people just need to PM me the details and I would be happy to update it. Responding to this post would be good enough if you have the info - basically the kind of info you already see on the initial post. Race, class, important mods, etc.

Corey

Modifié par corey_russell, 23 avril 2013 - 08:30 .


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Thanks. I reckon I could make a reasonable stab with a stalker, don't think I've had a go with one since my series of early SoA baths. I'll give Karix a chance then may stalk, possibly alternate between the two until something breaks (me or the game!)

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corey_russell wrote...
As I've mentioned before, people just need to PM me the details and I would be happy to update it. Responding to this post would be good enough if you have the info - basically the kind of info you already see on the initial post. Race, class, important mods, etc.


Noted. I recall the info, but should double check before submitting...One moment...Ok: Confirmed.

Character Name: Anatole
Race: Human
class: Assassin
Difficulty: Core
Entered by BBMorti

:)

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Alesia_BH wrote...

corey_russell wrote...
As I've mentioned before, people just need to PM me the details and I would be happy to update it. Responding to this post would be good enough if you have the info - basically the kind of info you already see on the initial post. Race, class, important mods, etc.


Noted. I recall the info, but should double check before submitting...One moment...Ok: Confirmed.

Character Name: Anatole
Race: Human
class: Assassin
Difficulty: Core
Entered by BBMorti

:)


Done!

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I appreciate all the advice everyone! Forin will be getting the wand of sleep (otherwise known as the wand of Kobold torture). As soon as he can afford it. He won't have a familiar for a while yet, but is looking forward to getting one.

And unless the items are in Thalantyr's stock, he's going to have to go find them. (That's one of the interesting things about my install. Item randomizer makes things... rather random. I might run across Melium's bracers at some point, but its unlikely to be Melium that has them. (But he might have something just as useful.) And I have it set to randomize at the start of every game. I probably won't be beating BG1 anytime soon with this rig. But I like surprises. Just as long as you all don't mind a bit of groundhog-day tragedy going on in my corner of the forum.)

Alesia_BH wrote...
As an aside, in the original No Reload Challenge thread from the old forums, Alisa did defeat Irenicus: at Level 1...on her first try


I would have liked to see that. Incredible. What kind of items would make a level 1 character capable of defeating Irenicus? Vecna? Staff of the Magi? Boatloads of potions? Irenicus Kryptonite?

Congratulations on surviving that nail-biter, Alesia (and Alisa)! And Go Coretrue and Wewa! Good luck to all in Amn.

Modifié par Blind_Visionary, 24 avril 2013 - 02:31 .


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@Corey, where is the master list of successful runs?

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Blind_Visionary wrote...
I would have liked to see that. Incredible. What kind of items would make a level 1 character capable of defeating Irenicus? Vecna? Staff of the Magi? Boatloads of potions? Irenicus Kryptonite?


No Irenicus Kryptonite: Ribald was sold out. He does sell something very similar though...(I'm sure you can guess).

She was only allowed items she could steal in the Promenade or, in the alternative, buy in the Promenade with her ill gotten gold. Recall though that there are two scroll merchants in the area- not to mention Ribald's stock- plus some scroll cases. Note also that while level 1 bards have no spell slots, they can read any mage scroll they like.

Seeing how it could work now? It's pretty simple really: take away his offense with the "pseudo-kryptonite" and then blast him with the scroll collection. He was actually completely outgunned (which is why one should never underestimate a level 1 bard with 3 Potions of Master Thievery).

Best,

A.

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Blind_Visionary wrote...

where is the master list of successful runs?


First page of the BGII No Reload Challenge thread:

http://social.biowar...index/3120942/1


Btw Corey. In terms of order, Anatole should appear right before Vessen. Also, Pendal and Thimble should be before Alyssa.

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Alesia_BH wrote...
First page of the BGII No Reload Challenge thread:


Wow. I only count 15 total runs. 2 with Improved Anvil (that's totally nuts). And just a handful with SCS. And only one with SCS I and II and Ascension. (I bow to you Alesia). I would have guessed that more had finished by now. Mind blown.

And Corey! You have one-fifth of the runs! Nicely done!  Maybe you and Dogdancing will get the second multiplayer send...

Edit: And I can work on the first with Item Randomiser ;)

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Alesia_BH wrote...

Blind_Visionary wrote...

where is the master list of successful runs?


First page of the BGII No Reload Challenge thread:

http://social.biowar...index/3120942/1


Btw Corey. In terms of order, Anatole should appear right before Vessen. Also, Pendal and Thimble should be before Alyssa.

Hmm, didn't know order was relevant - they either succeeded or they did not, right? Nevertheless, since you have told me the correct order, I will go ahead and re-order them soon.

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Blind_Visionary wrote...

Alesia_BH wrote...
First page of the BGII No Reload Challenge thread:


Wow. I only count 15 total runs. 2 with Improved Anvil (that's totally nuts). And just a handful with SCS. And only one with SCS I and II and Ascension. (I bow to you Alesia). I would have guessed that more had finished by now. Mind blown.

And Corey! You have one-fifth of the runs! Nicely done!  Maybe you and Dogdancing will get the second multiplayer send...

Edit: And I can work on the first with Item Randomiser ;)


Thanks Blind_Visionary. As a chessmaster, I am able to concentrate for long periods of time, and that is quite helpful for a no-reload. All my runs were vanilla, however. Vanilla's biggest challenge seems to be the relative ease party members can be chunked (see Setben's recent run as an example). I think the trilogy no-reloads with SCS are much more significant achievements.

Also, I am sure there have been many other runs that have done trilogy no-reload, but we have only been going by those runs that post their progress in the Bioware forum threads.

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A little teaser about Forin's progress:

Oh hi skeleton. Thalantyr, can you take care of this?
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Thalantyr, can you take care of this giant spider? Maybe it is time for your flesh golems to come clean out your house. I'm a little scared to do anything about this myself. Maybe I need to avoid your place for a little while.
Image IPB

It's amazing how hazardous being Firebead's scroll messenger can be.

Edit: sorry about the widescreen resolution. Hard to see when I don't crop the pictures.

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corey_russell wrote...
As a chessmaster...


Cool. What does being a chessmaster mean? Is that a 2000+ ranking? I'm sure that would help with thinking through a no-reload run, dozens of moves in advance of what actually happens.

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 Axman the dwarven barbarian - Update 3
Traveling with: Ajantis, Khalid, Branwen, Imoen, Xan

Axman continues to make progress. Southern two rows of the overall map explorered, except for TotSC areas. We joined the bandit camp, looted it, and defeated the enemies in Tazok's Tent. Even though we did a lot of buffs, careful micromanagement of the party's actions was necessary to insure no one died.

The plan is to dual Imoen to mage at level 6 (100% locks/traps) - she got there when we were traveling to Ulgoths' Beard in Ankheg Farm area. We got some needed items in Ulgoth's, banked Imoen's thief-only equpment, equipped her with what little she can use a a mage, then returned to clear the Ankheg farm map, which we did without further incident. The cloak of displacement was helping Ajantis, as well as we used a potion of fortitude on Ajantis to protect him.

The BG gods must not like Ajantis, as he has poor HP for a fighter type. The max Ajantis could have had is 60 HP (16 con/level 5) but he only has 36. Axman has 62 out of 75 max possible, a much better ratio. Axman also doesn't quite have such a large portion of the kills like he did earlier in the run, stronger opponents and also party has better equipment to help them keep up with Axman's killing power.

I realize Imoen's dual is rather ambitious, I may have to do TotSC areas I don't normally do, if I want to unlock her thief abilities for the Cloakwood mine, though that isn't strictly necessary, since I know what the traps are that I can't avoid.

Party Status:
Ajantis - level 5 Paladin, 36 HP, 138 kills, Revenant
Khalid - level 5 Fighter, 47 HP, 121 kills, Vampiric Wolf
Axman - level 5 Barbarian, 62 HP, 196 kills, Mustard Jelly
Branwen - level 5 cleric, 34 HP, 31 kills, Ankheg
Imoen, level 6 Thief (inactive) > level 2 Mage, 39 HP, 67 kills, Lamalha
Xan - level 5 Enchanter, 16 HP, 30 kills, Icharyd

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Blind_Visionary wrote...

corey_russell wrote...
As a chessmaster...


Cool. What does being a chessmaster mean? Is that a 2000+ ranking? I'm sure that would help with thinking through a no-reload run, dozens of moves in advance of what actually happens.



Expert rank is 2000, master is 2200+. It is said that you need to double your chess knowledge every 100 points. That's why even though when I first started playing tournament chess, I studied every book I could find, played in every tournament I could find, analyzed every game I played, and extensive skittles chess (informal) and having talent, still took me 3 years to get a master title at age 17.

Sorry to de-rail the topic, back to run updates!

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corey_russell wrote...
As I've mentioned before, people just need to PM me the details and I would be happy to update it. Responding to this post would be good enough if you have the info - basically the kind of info you already see on the initial post. Race, class, important mods, etc.


Noted. I recall the info, but should double check before submitting...One moment...Ok: Confirmed.

Character Name: Anatole
Race: Human
class: Assassin
Difficulty: Core
Entered by BBMorti

:)


That was kind of you, Alesia. :)
With all the entries that have popped up through the years I am impressed you could recall the name of Anatole like that.

I actually had the impression the list had quite a few missing on it.. the list is shorter than I thought it would be.

I did complete my run on Insane to be 100% correct.

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BBMorti wrote...
I actually had the impression the list had quite a few missing on it.. the list is shorter than I thought it would be.


I can understand why you'd have that impression- the list is surprisingly short. However, I believe it is correct or nearly so.

A couple years ago, a team of us did a comprehensive accounting by going through each and every post in the threads -including the ones on the old forums. That revealed a large number of BG1 and BGII only successes but a rather small number of full trilogy runs. Since then we've been periodically reviewing the threads and updating as new runs come through- with players invited to PM Corey if they've been left off. 

Anatole became an exception because Corey -who updates the list- hadn't been around to observe your run. We had mentioned the apparent omission, but he had been awaiting a PM from you or, in the alternative, a mime with the relevant information from someone else. I think most of us were expecting you to PM Corey since he had requested a PM once or twice while you were around: that's likely why no one took the initiative of submitting on your behalf.

As for me, personally, I was among those expecting you to PM Corey. And after time elapsed, I didn't submit for you because I felt the need to double check that Anatole had, in fact, completed BG1 successfully prior to import (the conspicuous absence of a PM had made me wonder about that). A further complication here was that I vaguely recalled an Assassin with an A name and the same portrait that didn't quite make it through BG1- I needed to confirm that that wasn't Anatole before passing anything along to Corey.

As for the surprising dearth of full trilogy runs in general, that seems to be a function of playing trends on the one hand and the law of averages on the other. In the past, the majority of players started in the Chateau rather than Candlekeep- precluding full trilogy success. And while starting in Candlekeep is the norm these days, a significant portion of characters are never exported. 

Of the characters that do attempt the full trilogy, the fatality rate is quite high- presumably because there are so many opportunities for a fatal mishap: even a miniscule probability of failure in individual encounters can lead to near certainty of failure across the many, many encounters of the trilogy. Over-confidence and fatigue in the long haul tends to push those mishap probabilities up and success probabilities down as you might imagine.

I did complete my run on Insane to be 100% correct.

Understood. I knew ToB had ben done on Insane, but hadn't noticed any mention of the difficulty setting in the early BG posts. And since the recorded difficulty has historically been based on the lowest rather than highest setting used during combat in the adventure, I indicated Core- presuming that the lack of explicit statement in the early posts implied that segment had been done on the default setting. 

If you can confirm that BG1 was done on Insane, we'll happily make the adjustment.

I'm glad we have it all straightened out now!


Best,

A.


Btw. This all begs the question: When are you starting your next run BBMorti? :P

Modifié par Alesia_BH, 24 avril 2013 - 02:03 .


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@Alesia - that's a really good explanation, and mostly correct. However, I was around for BBMorti's run and watched it - my problem, though, was I didn't remember to log it into the list of players until much later, and by the time I did, I had no way to know what the details were, as I couldn't find the information (name, class/race,, difficulty, etc.) and hence didn't log it.

I have also updated the record to indicate Anatole's run was on Insane.

Modifié par corey_russell, 24 avril 2013 - 02:11 .


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I am proud to be on the list, thank you for adding me Corey, and thank you again for making mention of me Alesia.

I actually did notice Corey mentioning the need to drop him a quick PM, but I guess I in a way felt a bit prideful dropping him one.. :blush:

I also had the impression I was not the only one not on the list, yet. So figured it was a work on progress.

Alesia truth be told I have been practicing a bit with SCS soloing in secret, as well as having focus on a few other projects. I have not felt quite comfortable enough to do a written run here, but I am practicing behind the curtains.
I feel confident on starting soon, though.. my biggest worry is those improved doublegangers with scs.. especially the palace. In my experience the game easily gets a bit buggy in that fight. I am a bit of a competitive nature and want to feel somewhat prepared when I jump into a challenge.

Also, I am thrilled to see you run a bard, it was what I would have suggested you to run if you were in doubt about what to run after your unfortunate end of Barbie. I loved you played her as a strenght 9 to fit her character.

OT: I just wanted to mention that my hat is off to you, Corey, for being a Grandmaster (chess) that is quite impressive.

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BBMorti wrote...


OT: I just wanted to mention that my hat is off to you, Corey, for being a Grandmaster (chess) that is quite impressive.


@BBMmortin - Thanks! I wish I was a grandmaster. But grandmaster is rated about 2500+, I am only a national master/FIDE master, which is 2200.

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BBMorti wrote...
I actually did notice Corey mentioning the need to drop him a quick PM, but I guess I in a way felt a bit prideful dropping him one.. :blush:


Ok. That explains it. Honestly, I wasn't sure what to make of the lack of a PM. Part of me thought it might have been because there had been something wrong with the run which is partially why I felt the need to double check Anatole's BG1 portion.

Anyhoo. It was basically the odd combination of your presence and the lack of a PM that led to Anatole's extended absence from the list. I believe the rest is more-or-less accurate.

I have not felt quite comfortable enough to do a written run here, but I am practicing behind the curtains. I feel confident on starting soon, though.. my biggest worry is those improved doublegangers with scs..


I've lost count of the number of time I've soloed the Duchal Palace fight with the SCS Doppes and I still feel anxious everytime I do it. You may be on the sidelines a long time if you are waiting to feel completely secure!

For what it's worth, I've found the failure rate there to be far lower than you might expect- assuming care is taken to avoid offending Belt, Liia, and the Flamining Fist. Granted, every now and then (and by that I mean very, very rarely) Belt and Liia are mobbed and dropped super-quick, but on balance it can be a fairly safe encounter despite appearances.

Also, I am thrilled to see you run a bard, it was what I would have suggested you to run if you were in doubt about what to run after your unfortunate end of Barbie. I loved you played her as a strenght 9 to fit her character. .


Thanks. My barbarian's run never really got off the ground in a sense: She was far too gimmicky for me to really connect with so I never took her run seriously. Her burgeoning over-poweredness affected me as well- I wasn't all that sorry to see her go truth be told. 

Alisa is sort of the opposite. I like her, however, I'm expecting certain phases of the adventure to become pretty tedious with her due to lack of damage output. As a remedy, I'm contemplating installing the Rogue Rebalancing tweak that would allow her to put three points in two-weapon style. I have mixed feelings about it though: part of me feels I should go ahead with the tweak install to give a character I like a fair shot, the other part of my feels that would compromise the challenge of playing a Jester. We'll see I guess.

Looking forward to your upcoming SCS run BBMorti! Do you plan to go with Ascension too?

Best,

A.


Btw. Can you confirm that Anatole's BG1 portion was on Insane?

Modifié par Alesia_BH, 24 avril 2013 - 04:14 .


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corey_russell wrote...
I was around for BBMorti's run and watched it - my problem, though, was I didn't remember to log it into the list of players until much later, and by the time I did, I had no way to know what the details were, as I couldn't find the information (name, class/race,, difficulty, etc.)


Makes sense. The Corey-hadn't-been-around comment was basically just my hypothesis as to why it hadn't been logged immediately. Thanks for clarifying.

Best,

A.

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Alesia_BH wrote...

Alisa is sort of the opposite. I like her, however, I'm expecting certain phases of the adventure to become pretty tedious with her due to lack of damage output.
A.


@Alesia: Since you say you are concerned about Alisa's damage output, there's a really crazy idea to boost the output of damage and help her defeat Melissan - she could group with NPC's! I know, it's really radical, but just thought I would mention it. I would rather Alisa group than for you to abandon her run (you have abandoned runs in the past).

It's your game and your call of course, just putting my 2 cents in...

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corey_russell wrote...
@Alesia: Since you say you are concerned about Alisa's damage output, there's a really crazy idea to boost the output of damage and help her defeat Melissan - she could group with NPC's!


:P

Yes: That could work...(And Jesters do play well in parties).


I would rather Alisa group than for you to abandon her run (you have abandoned runs in the past).


Understood. Abandoment is a serious risk for my characters. And a couple of the deaths have partially been little nudges stemming from my interest in starting a new.

If I do feel tempted to retire Alisa, I'll definitely consider letting her make some friends instead.

Modifié par Alesia_BH, 24 avril 2013 - 08:25 .