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[Shar888]

Hi everybody,
So I know everyone surely enjoyed the sheer amount of great content in Dragon Age: Origins. However, with the announcement of Dragon Age 2, I have to ask the question:
Are we going to see the same amount of content for Dragon Age 2 as we did for DA:O?
Some may argue that content amount differs depending on how quickly you play the game etc. but it has to be agreed that DA:O had a fantastic amount of content that lasted me at least 3 times what an average video game does these days.
What do you guys think? (I'm sure the devs have a fair impression as well ).

[Lara Denton]

To be mean, I would say around 30 hours and that's because DA2 doesn't have, as far as we know, any planet scanning.

Seriously now, DA:O usually took me around 70 hours to finish, but with the VO thing, I think the content of DA2 it's going to be cut so I don't see it with more than 40 - 50 hours. Of course, I cannot wait to be proven wrong!! 

[TSamee]

Yeah... however, there's also dev time. Mass Effect took a few years more dev time than its sequel; I got a good 50 hours out of a single ME playthrough, just over 25 from ME2. If DA2 follows the same two-year dev cycle, expect content to be slashed a bit. I'm not going to pan DA2 for its new direction, but the amount of time between DA's launch and that of the sequel seems to be replicating the situation Mass Effect 2 faced. ME2, while a good game, made the mistake of over-streamlining the experience to the point where it alienated those who loved the original. I don't want DA2 to go the same way, and there's plenty to differentiate it from Mass Effect 2. However, the one thing they have in common is the amount of time spent in the oven, and that worries me.

[biomag]

70 hours to finish, with about 40+ hours of fighting, right? I liked the content with DAO, but it had a lot of fighting and big amounts of content were kept very short... Look at all those board quests, no story at all. Basically the main mission (with each region they were in) and the characters were all quality content we saw. Everything else was quoting the realm background as necessary for a first game of a IP.

DAO had a lot of fighting, something I liked, especially the Deep Roads as I had the feeling of being behind enemy lines with no break at all. Great feeling, many hours, but content? Hm...

I guess we will get enough content with DA2. We are going to a new region. A lot to describe and introduce to the players.



Edit: 50 hours of gameplay with ME 1?? Yeah, you hunted minerals with the Mako... no chance it was longer than ME 2.

Modifié par biomag, 14 juillet 2010 - 11:39 .

[AlexXIV]

laradenton wrote...

To be mean, I would say around 30 hours and that's because DA2 doesn't have, as far as we know, any planet scanning.

Seriously now, DA:O usually took me around 70 hours to finish, but with the VO thing, I think the content of DA2 it's going to be cut so I don't see it with more than 40 - 50 hours. Of course, I cannot wait to be proven wrong!! 

Well if that happened it would be clear to me that DA2 is just a money machine. I expect to have as much playtime as in DA:O at least, if not more.

[hxx7y]

laradenton wrote...

To be mean, I would say around 30 hours and that's because DA2 doesn't have, as far as we know, any planet scanning.

Seriously now, DA:O usually took me around 70 hours to finish, but with the VO thing, I think the content of DA2 it's going to be cut so I don't see it with more than 40 - 50 hours. Of course, I cannot wait to be proven wrong!! 

i hope your proven wrong too im australian here a new titl.e will set you back anywhere from $90 - $120 dollars to put that in perspective in U.S dollars thats between $79.42 - $105.89 and i hear the average us price is around $60 US dollars so australians get "bent over" for an additional $20 - $45 U.S per new release title...

now i know that in the context of this thread that information does not seem to be ontask but its relevance is to convey the serious monitary commitmant an australian makes when purchaseing a game and frankly if a game is shorter that 20- 25 hours in length (i can make concessions for multiplayer) i personally feel ripped off (not by the game developers but by the retail outlets)

[TSamee]

biomag wrote...

70 hours to finish, with about 40+ hours of fighting, right? I liked the content with DAO, but it had a lot of fighting and big amounts of content were kept very short... Look at all those board quests, no story at all. Basically the main mission (with each region they were in) and the characters were all quality content we saw. Everything else was quoting the realm background as necessary for a first game of a IP.

DAO had a lot of fighting, something I liked, especially the Deep Roads as I had the feeling of being behind enemy lines with no break at all. Great feeling, many hours, but content? Hm...

I guess we will get enough content with DA2. We are going to a new region. A lot to describe and introduce to the players.



Edit: 50 hours of gameplay with ME 1?? Yeah, you hunted minerals with the Mako... no chance it was longer than ME 2.

Yes, I did hunt minerals... I also spent about two hours total scanning planets in ME2. I know that much of DA:O was combat, but in my first 60-hour playthrough I did about two board quests. I too found them boring, so I left them alone after they all seemed to be clones of each other. However, I did every other sidequest I found, so that probably added a lot to it. My argument's simply that DA:O was drowning in polish, as was ME. ME2 suffered from blander level design and a "streamlined" structure that didn't add much to the overall experience. I'm just saying that the effects of a greatly reduced dev cycle are guaranteed to impact on DA2, whether it's the amount of content or the quality of it.

Modifié par TSamee, 14 juillet 2010 - 11:49 .

[TMZuk]

Since it is voiceacted, and especially considering the short development time, besides the fact that Bioware is also working on an MMO and ME3, I'd venture it's going to be fairly short and even more linear than DA:O.

Also, as it was the different Origins that made DA:O something special and really worth replaying, I doubt this will have anything near the same durability. I may be positively surprised, but I very much doubt it.

Modifié par TMZuk, 14 juillet 2010 - 12:12 .

[Majin Paul]

I'd like to see roughly the same amount of content as DA:O, although considering the story takes place over ten years, it sounds like it could be longer.

either way, it'll still probably have one of the longest stories out of recently released.

[Clammo]

When a small number of people were clamouring for a voiced protagonist in DA:O and asking why they didn't have one, a Dev stated that the reason they hadn't chosen the voiced option was that the game length would have to be halved...

[Brockololly]

Considering it will have the VO for Hawke, its been said in the past by devs that if Origins had a voiced PC it would have meant considerably less content. Then again, maybe with the exclusion of the Origin stories, it will balance out? But considering the seemingly tighter narrative structure, I sadly wouldn't be surprised if DA2 is significantly shorter than DAO.

It took me about 80 hours to get through my first run of Origins, going rather slow. I wouldn't be surprised if DA2 is only about 30-40 hours long. The sad fact is that outside of Bethesda type sandbox games, there just aren't very many lengthy single player games being made anymore. With the rush to monetize every hour played, there just isn't much incentive for a developer to make an 80+ hour single player game if you can cut it down to 40 hours and focus on DLC instead.

I hope I'm wrong, but like so many of the other changes seemingly being made to DA, I'm guessing a much shorter game will also be a byproduct of the changes they're carrying out to make the game more "cinematic."

[Lord_Saulot]

Clammo wrote...

When a small number of people were clamouring for a voiced protagonist in DA:O and asking why they didn't have one, a Dev stated that the reason they hadn't chosen the voiced option was that the game length would have to be halved...

They might have more money now if the first game did well.

[Keithhy]

Keep in mind that most characters have a unique response to any one of your statements/responses/silent-glaring, and audio is still far from the largest part of the game's memory requirements, so that's out as a restriction. As for the matter of getting the voice acting itself, it simply means that one person (well, two) is in the studio every day for a fortnight or so, which is laughably small compared to the massive banks of dialogue already in DA:O.

The content might be cut down on slight, because extra care has to be used to find the right voice actor(s) for the main character, but there's no reason that this would mean significant cuts in game content, and it would most certainly not halve the game content.

[GreenSoda]

I expect it to be shorter than DA:O...simply because a dev (I think it was Gaider) stated before the release of DA:O that the game would have been significantly shorter if they went with a full VO'ed PC.

[bcooper56]

30 hours tops since it's like mass effect now.

[Vaeliorin]

Keithhy wrote...
Keep in mind that most characters have a unique response to any one of your statements/responses/silent-glaring, and audio is still far from the largest part of the game's memory requirements, so that's out as a restriction. As for the matter of getting the voice acting itself, it simply means that one person (well, two) is in the studio every day for a fortnight or so, which is laughably small compared to the massive banks of dialogue already in DA:O.
The content might be cut down on slight, because extra care has to be used to find the right voice actor(s) for the main character, but there's no reason that this would mean significant cuts in game content, and it would most certainly not halve the game content.

I rebut with this.

Modifié par Vaeliorin, 14 juillet 2010 - 12:46 .

[Grommash94]

It all depends on how much money is going into this; and I suppose that it would be a lot, seeing as how successful the first game was.

[Lord_Saulot]

That's my hope. I hope that they are doing this because they have more money to develop the second game and can afford to use voiceovers without significantly shortening the game. I'll be somewhat disappointed if its not a long game like DAO.

[Lara Denton]

Vaeliorin wrote...

I rebut with this.

So, in the end, I might not be mean (see my previous post), but realistic? 

[Brockololly]

laradenton wrote...

Vaeliorin wrote...

I rebut with this.

So, in the end, I might not be mean (see my previous post), but realistic? 

Damn, its sobering to see all of the old dev quotes defending the Origins way of things now coming back to suck  away any enthusiasm I 'm trying to muster for this game:(

Modifié par Brockololly, 14 juillet 2010 - 12:58 .

[Deviija]

With a voiced protagonist (of which they said that if DAO had it, the game would be 50 percent shorter)? I am going to estimate the game will be 15-30 hours and have limited replayability.

[Gambient]

Vaeliorin wrote...
I rebut with this.

Well I guess that settles it, then.

[Celies]

Don't forget that DA:O had 3 races and 2 sexes. In DA2 you'll only play as a human, so that's 2 sexes to do VO for. Won't be as long as DA:O, but way longer than half of it, I think.

Edited to make my point get across better.

Modifié par Celies, 14 juillet 2010 - 01:19 .

[RunCDFirst]

Celies wrote...

Don't forget that DA:O had 3 races and 2 sexes. In DA2 you'll only play as a human, so that's 2 sexes to do VO for. Won't be as long as DA:O, but way longer than half of it, I think.

Edited to make my point get across better.

I don't know, I think 40 hours is probably the upper limit you can push with voice work. I'd wager the game will clock in somewhere around the 30-40 hour mark. Though, if they pad it with lots of combat, that could extend the game length..

[AL 75th]

did anyone forget they can just split it on 2 discs?