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[Siansonea]

Go Team Asari. Show those humans who's boss!

Modifié par Siansonea II, 16 juillet 2010 - 05:00 .

[angj57]

Shandepared wrote...

It's right there in the codex how the asari spread their influence. All I did was connect the dots between their position in society, their biology, and their espoused philosophy.

Next to the Reapers they are humanity's greatest threat.

While I agree that they can be manipulative, I don't think they are threatening to humanity. I saw how quickly the Destiny Ascension got owned without the human fleet to help it.

[Siansonea]

Submit to our wiles, weak and puny human males! >

[Siansonea]

Shandepared wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Yes, they may be manipulative, which isn't anything new when talking about blue/green/whatever color alien chicks, but do you think writers actually intended for them to be percieved as an actual threat to humanity by the player in the story?  It doesn't quite seem to fit in the story to me.  Bioware seems to be all about creating these species to be our allies in defeating the Reapers, and everyone living happily ever after, in this trilogy anyway. 

Once again. It is stated plainly in the codex. The game presents the Council as a benevolent if beaurocratic force, but the first novel hints at their true nature. In ME2 we get that little bachelor party scene. Obviously those guys are just drunk idiots but Bioware is definitely having fun with the notion that the asari are a manipulative species coericing the galaxy through sex.

Siansonea II wrote...

Submit to our wiles, weak and puny
human males! >

If you'll step right over that in
that brick building... I've started the shower for you.

Riiiight. Maybe you're not aware, but joking about Holocaust death camps is generally considered to be in poor taste. It shows a lack of sensitivity.

[Siansonea]

Shandepared wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

It shows a lack of sensitivity.

Awww... ;_; That's just too bad.

So...you're just a douchebag? Okay, good to know. No worries, now that I know what to expect from you, I won't waste time acknowledging your existence. I hope you reap what you sow, kid.

[angj57]

Shandepared wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Yes, they may be manipulative, which isn't anything new when talking about blue/green/whatever color alien chicks, but do you think writers actually intended for them to be percieved as an actual threat to humanity by the player in the story?  It doesn't quite seem to fit in the story to me.  Bioware seems to be all about creating these species to be our allies in defeating the Reapers, and everyone living happily ever after, in this trilogy anyway. 

Once again. It is stated plainly in the codex. The game presents the Council as a benevolent if beaurocratic force, but the first novel hints at their true nature. In ME2 we get that little bachelor party scene. Obviously those guys are just drunk idiots but Bioware is definitely having fun with the notion that the asari are a manipulative species coericing the galaxy through sex.

Siansonea II wrote...

Submit to our wiles, weak and puny
human males! >

If you'll step right over that in
that brick building... I've started the shower for you.

Wow... way to kill a thread that was discussing some interesting in game issues.

[NephilimNexus]

Frankly I didn't romance Ashley or Liara with my character (which was nice to find I had have no strings for ME2 romance).  Ashley struck me as annoying and while Liara was cute at first, once she told me her age I hit the brakes into the floorboard.

You see, In ME1 there are three particular choice lines of dialog.  One is where Shepard says "We humans are lucky if we make it 150."  Another is "Asari can live for a thousand years or more." 

masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Asari

masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Human

 "Asari have a robust cellular regenerative system. While they do not heal faster than other species, asari are known to reach 1000 years of age."

"Humans can live to about 150 years, and recent medical advances have eradicated almost all known diseases that afflict them. "

The third line - and this was the one where the brakes started squealing - is Liara saying "I hate to admit it, but I am only 106."

www.youtube.com/watch

So I pulled out the calculator and did some quick math. 

If an asari lives to be 1000 and a human 150, that would make one asari year equal to only 0.15 human years.  That would make Liara the equivilant of just under 16 years old  (15.9 to be exact).

"Among the asari I am barely considered a child."

NO KIDDING!

Math, Part Two:

Shepard was born on 4/11/2154 (An Aries... big surprise).

masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Shepard

Eden Prime is attacked in 2183, thus starting the events of ME1.

masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline

So as of ME1, Shepard is now 29 years old.  Unless Eden Prime is attacked after April 11th, in which case Shepard would be 30 years old.

Now I want you to juggle that around in your heads for a minute.

16 and 30

30 and 16





A very special level of Hell.

[piemanz]

Shandepared wrote...

Crunching numbers like that doesn't prove anything. 15 year-olds don't live on their own on remote locations and publish theories about ancient civilizations. Liara is clearly an adult, if a very young one.

Exactly.

Yes she may be just under 15 if you compare the 2 life spans but the fact still remains she is not 15 ,she is 106 years old and has lived longer and expeirenced more than most humans ever will.

[Lyrandori]

@ NephilimNexus

You're basically saying that romancing Liara is like romancing a 16 years-old human, and that's not the case, even a "barely adult" Asari of 106 years-old can quite act like and have the maturity of a 30 years-old human, the body of Liara is mature enough that she feels comfortable with a romance, and no one within the very games themselves speak against Shepard if he/she decides to couple with Liara "despite her age", in other words it doesn't look like within the ME universe itself being in a close relationship with a 106 years-old Maiden Asari is considered morally wrong. But it wasn't the subject at hand anyway. I never implied the moral implications of a human being coupled with a young Asari equivalently aged like a 16 years-old human anywhere in my original post.

Anyway, this thread derailed a bit (a lot) from the original subject since a couple of pages already. We went from "how to cope with the death of a loved one for centuries" to genetics, reproduction, inheritance of behavioral traits, DNA, mind-melding, sex influence, galactic-scale species domination through manipulation... and a couple of other things I was never expecting. It's like the phone game, you know, having around a dozen people sitting in circle, one person whispers something very specific to the neighbor's ear so that no one else can hear what it is, then the neighbor is supposed to repeat exactly that same thing to the next neighbor, and so on to the next until the circle is complete, then at the end the first person who spoke something finally hears the message from the person before him/her, and then needs to say out loud what it was... thing is that it's never exactly coming out as it was spoken, such is the life of a thread I guess.

Modifié par Lyrandori, 16 juillet 2010 - 09:28 .

[NephilimNexus]

Shandepared wrote...

Crunching numbers like that doesn't prove anything. 15 year-olds don't live on their own on remote locations and publish theories about ancient civilizations. Liara is clearly an adult, if a very young one.

I'm sure that defense has already been used by millions of men... who are now all in jail.

Strangely enough, I've heard it from more women than men, and it usually goes like this...

Girl: "I can't believe that creepy old guy hitting on that underage girl.  That's just disgusting!"
Me: "What about that 40-something year old guy you said you were sleeping with back when you were 15?"
Girl: "That's different!  He was just saw & appreciated how I mature I was for my age."
Me: "Riiiiiiiiiiiight."
Girl: "I hate you."

*shudder*


Above: Skipping the romance option can be a good thing.

[didymos1120]

Shandepared wrote...

I doubt every asari is involved in some kind of conspiracy. It's just their nature. Albeit the people who run their government probably understand exactly what is happening.

They don't really have a central government with a well-defined hierarchy:

The asari came late to the concept of world government. For centuries, their homeworld of Thessia  was dotted with loose confederacies of great republican cities. The closest Earthly equivalent would be the ancient Mediterranean city-states. Since the asari culture values consensus and accommodation, there was little impetus to form larger principalities. Rather than hoard resources, the asari bartered freely. Rather than attack one another over differing philosophies, they sought to understand one another.

Only in the information age did the city-states grow close. Communication over internet evolved into an "electronic democracy". Asari have no politicians or elections, but a free-wheeling, all-inclusive legislature that citizens can participate in at will. Policy debates take place at all hours of the day, in official chat rooms and forums moderated by specially-programmed virtual intelligences. All aspects of policy are opened to plebiscite at any time. In any given debate, the asari tend to lend the most credence to the opinions of any Matriarchs present, nearly always deferring to the experience of these millennia-old "wise women".

Achieving consensus through public debate may take too long in a crisis. In cases where prompt, decisive action is required, the asari defer to the wisdom of local Matriarchs.

[maegi46]

Wow how did an in game discussion on Asari turn into this? Jew bashing and name calling? Too bad you all can't just post on topic and be civil about it.

[Teknor]

maegi46 wrote...

Wow how did an in game discussion on Asari turn into this? Jew bashing and name calling? Too bad you all can't just post on topic and be civil about it.

Who bashes jews, i don't get it ?

[lovgreno]

maegi46 wrote...

Wow how did an in game discussion on Asari turn into this? Jew bashing and name calling? Too bad you all can't just post on topic and be civil about it.

Just ignore Shand and his attempts to be provokative (while not so bravely hiding behind the internet) and we should be able to discuss something more interesting and actualy worth our time.

As for the age and maturity differences between Shepard and Liara: To me it seems like Liara is often the more mature one, wich makes sense as she is exceptionaly inteligent even for a asari and have lived for over a hundred years. Her lack of knowledge about humans makes her seem less mature when talking to Shepard but then again that is a problem all aliens have with the human newcomers.

[didymos1120]

Shandepared wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

They don't really have a central government with a well-defined hierarchy:

They would still have an elite upper class.

Fair point, though that tells us nothing about how that cultural elite thinks or views itself. Privilege is no guarantee of sociocultural insight.  There's no need to invoke even a very limited conspiracy of elites if such behavior is, as you say, simply asari-nature.  It is certainly possible, but lacking evidence, the probability of such a thing is unknown.