MadInfiltrator wrote...
Does anyone else just think that Liara has an unhealthy obsession with Shepard?
Cause i think shes ****in nuts.
I felt she becomes interested in Shepard too early.
I do not feel she is "***in nuts".
Liara, the Asari, long-lasting life, love... (long read warning)
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#151
Posté 17 juillet 2010 - 12:34
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I felt she becomes interested in Shepard too early.
I do not feel she is "***in nuts".
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Posté 17 juillet 2010 - 12:48
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Furthermore, AFAIK, they have shown no prior actions, which would give the impression that they would want to enslave or rule over other species.
They already do. They created the Council, the most powerful ruling body in the galaxy. Beyond that they have the greatest influence over galactic civilization via the dominance of asari culture.
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If you think about it, the humans are actually the Asari's greatest asset. They look just like human females, humans would naturally be more physically attracted to the Asari, than any of the other species would be attracted to the Asari, most likely. The humans help ensure genetic viability for the Asari species, for millennia to come, and to a lesser extent I think, the other species also.
Yeah, at our expense. A close union with the asari would lower the human birthrate, hindering our ability to expand and grow as a species.
#153
Posté 17 juillet 2010 - 01:20
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Shandepared wrote...
JohnnyDollar wrote...
Furthermore, AFAIK, they have shown no prior actions, which would give the impression that they would want to enslave or rule over other species.
They already do. They created the Council, the most powerful ruling body in the galaxy. Beyond that they have the greatest influence over galactic civilization via the dominance of asari culture.
No, they proposed the idea to the salarians after they too found the Citadel. Now, unless you think they nigh-instantly bewitched the salarians, who we know don't even really have a sex drive to speak of and who are ruled by the rare and mostly stay-at-home females, it makes no sense to say the asari created the Council, much less that said alleged creation is evidence for some need or desire for power and dominance. This whole notion that you can reduce their ascendency in matters cultural to the asari practicing seduction on the galactic scale, knowingly or not, is really quite silly and ridiculously reductionist. Even declaring it the major factor in their success is reaching well beyond the evidence.
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Posté 17 juillet 2010 - 01:29
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No, they proposed the idea to the salarians after they too found the Citadel.
The Council was mutually beneficial for both of them, but at the end of the day it is the asari who are on top. They are the deciding vote in all matters, that is how they rule. It is what gives them their influence. There's a reason the salarians are so eager to get humans on the Council. They see that we have a somewhat similar mindset as them and they probably want us on there to counter the turians and asari.
You can deny what I'm saying all you want but as I said earlier it stated plainly in the codex. The asari are so patient because they know that in time their culture will override all rivals, getting the asari what they want. Their biology (their sexual practices and longevity) ensure this.
It's a passive imperialism, but no less imperialism. No less a threat to humanity than a turian fleet. Worse in fact, because to curb turian imperialism all you need is a strong military of your own. With the asari it isn't that easy. You need a big military, a big population, a big economy, and you need to be able to retain the right mindset over several generations of short lived humans.
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Posté 17 juillet 2010 - 01:41
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No she is just acting like most young asari does. A short but intensive attraction to a exotic alien like a human is quite normal for a maiden stage asari. From a human perspective she might seem strange but she is not a human.MadInfiltrator wrote...
Does anyone else just think that Liara has an unhealthy obsession with Shepard?
Cause i think shes ****in nuts.
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Posté 17 juillet 2010 - 01:47
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Creating a council isn't indicative of galactic dictatorial rule, or imperialistic expansion.Shandepared wrote...
They already do. They created the Council, the most powerful ruling body in the galaxy. Beyond that they have the greatest influence over galactic civilization via the dominance of asari culture.
The Asari have been around longer, and were the first to achieve interstellar flight, and discover and inhabit the Citadel. They are a technological and economic rival. Given more time, I'm confident that the humans will take that mantle away from them through our own growth and technological advancement.
They also can be a great partner in trade and commerce, as well as share a mutual defense strategy against our enemies.
Paranoia I believe. I would imagine that human females will always trump Asari. At any rate, to come to you're conclusion is illogical and lacks supporting evidence. We don't want high birth rates either way regardless. Only underdeveloped countries, for the most part, have high birth rates.Shandepared wrote...
Yeah, at our expense. A close union with the asari would lower the human birthrate, hindering our ability to expand and grow as a species.
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Posté 17 juillet 2010 - 01:58
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[quote]JohnnyDollar wrote...
Creating a council isn't indicative of galactic dictatorial rule, or imperialistic expansion.[/quote]
Are you blind? That is exactly what the Council IS!
The Council species use it to rule over all of their "lessers". It's an exclusive organization that dictates to everyone else and actively works to keep anyone from joining its ranks. If you play to the Council as humble and cooperative you will never advance to its ranks. The only reason humanity was ever considered was precisely because were "too independent", "too aggressive", "too militaristic", "too reckless". We demanded a bigger role in the galaxy and we refused to take "no" for an answer.
[quote]JohnnyDollar wrote...
Given more time, I'm confident that the humans will take that mantle away from them through our own growth and technological advancement.[/quote]
Only if we can keep their culture from overtaking our own, only if we can stop them from lowering our birthrate or directing our politics away from aggressive expansion and instead toward asari "cooperation". We'd wind up stagnating like everyone else, left pandering to the asari for their deciding vote.
[quote]JohnnyDollar wrote...
We don't want high birth rates either way regardless. Only underdeveloped countries, for the most part, have high birth rates.[/quote]
Wester countries are dying because their birthrates have all fallen below replacement level. A country cannot sustain itself or continue to grow its economy if its population starts shrinking. Western culture is slowly being eroded away by massive influxes of uneducated foreigners who do not integrate and who cost the state money. Western countries are all going bankrupt.
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Creating a council isn't indicative of galactic dictatorial rule, or imperialistic expansion.[/quote]
Are you blind? That is exactly what the Council IS!
The Council species use it to rule over all of their "lessers". It's an exclusive organization that dictates to everyone else and actively works to keep anyone from joining its ranks. If you play to the Council as humble and cooperative you will never advance to its ranks. The only reason humanity was ever considered was precisely because were "too independent", "too aggressive", "too militaristic", "too reckless". We demanded a bigger role in the galaxy and we refused to take "no" for an answer.
[quote]JohnnyDollar wrote...
Given more time, I'm confident that the humans will take that mantle away from them through our own growth and technological advancement.[/quote]
Only if we can keep their culture from overtaking our own, only if we can stop them from lowering our birthrate or directing our politics away from aggressive expansion and instead toward asari "cooperation". We'd wind up stagnating like everyone else, left pandering to the asari for their deciding vote.
[quote]JohnnyDollar wrote...
We don't want high birth rates either way regardless. Only underdeveloped countries, for the most part, have high birth rates.[/quote]
Wester countries are dying because their birthrates have all fallen below replacement level. A country cannot sustain itself or continue to grow its economy if its population starts shrinking. Western culture is slowly being eroded away by massive influxes of uneducated foreigners who do not integrate and who cost the state money. Western countries are all going bankrupt.
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Posté 17 juillet 2010 - 01:58
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In fact one of the functions the council have is to prevent one race to become too powerfull and dominating for their own good. The Council races are deliberately and probably by asari initiative making themselves dependant of eachother so large scale hostilities against a fellow council race will only harm your own race. A win-win situation for asari and other spiecies.JohnnyDollar wrote...
Creating a council isn't indicative of galactic dictatorial rule, or imperialistic expansion.
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Posté 17 juillet 2010 - 02:03
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lovgreno wrote...
A win-win situation for asari and other spiecies.
For other species bold enough to make it onto the Council, yes, but the asari still maintain the greatest influence. Humanity should never settle for second place.
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Posté 17 juillet 2010 - 02:28
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Nightwriter wrote...
MadInfiltrator wrote...
Does anyone else just think that Liara has an unhealthy obsession with Shepard?
Cause i think shes ****in nuts.
I felt she becomes interested in Shepard too early.
I do not feel she is "***in nuts".
Bah! Crazy is she!
- She threatens to flay people
- She mind****s Shepard
- Previously obsessed with Protheans
- Has stopped eating and sleeping because of creepy focus on Protheans
- Killed people to obtain a corpse
- Also obsesses over killing Shadow Broker
- Kills assistant, nonchalantly comments on her fighting abilities
- Shepard pops her cherry at 108 years old
- She doesn't know how to lie
#161
Posté 17 juillet 2010 - 03:00
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lovgreno wrote...
In fact one of the functions the council have is to prevent one race to become too powerfull and dominating for their own good. The Council races are deliberately and probably by asari initiative making themselves dependant of eachother so large scale hostilities against a fellow council race will only harm your own race. A win-win situation for asari and other spiecies.JohnnyDollar wrote...
Creating a council isn't indicative of galactic dictatorial rule, or imperialistic expansion.
It is a win-win for Asari, Turians, Salarians, and maybe Humanity. For Hannhar, Elcor, Quarians, and especially Krogans (not to mention Geth and Rachni)... not so much.
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Posté 17 juillet 2010 - 03:12
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I didn't say it was perfect, just not indicative of dictatorship or imperialistic expansion.Shandepared wrote...
Are you blind? That is exactly what the Council IS!
Here is some of the factors that you would have to figure out, in order to come to that conclusion I believe. Below is a quote from another member.Shandepared wrote...
only if we can stop them from lowering our birthrate
Shandepared, you would need a program designed to run these^ projections, and it still would not predict the outcome, or reflect reality.york 86 wrote....
It depends upon a LOT of factors. Off the top of my head, I can think of several. Total galaxy-wide Asari population vs. non-Asari population, Asari birth-rate vs. non-Asari birth-rate, Asari death-rate vs. non-Asari death-rate, Asari infant mortality vs. non-Asari infant mortality, and Asari incubation period vs. non-Asari incubation period,
not to mention Asari and non-Asari who simply don't reproduce. There are unpredictable factors, like natural disasters, disease, famine, war, fluctuations in all of the above . Then, there are unquantifiable social factors, like attitudes about inter-species breeding, attitudes about having children later in life, and species that don't have sexual
appetites and reproductive urges (Salarians).
I would say that conditions would have to be absolutely perfect for Asari to eventually out-breed humans and non-Asari, as a whole. If it could happen, it might take several thousands of years to occur.
Bottom line, I'm not ready to wipe out the entire Asari race.
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Posté 17 juillet 2010 - 03:15
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...just not indicative of dictatorship or imperialistic expansion.
Then you're blind and/or stupid.
#164
Posté 17 juillet 2010 - 03:23
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Asari have no government. So haha to all of you.
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Posté 17 juillet 2010 - 03:26
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http://mw1.meriam-we...ionary/imperialShandepared wrote...
Then you're blind and/or stupid.JohnnyDollar wrote...
...just not indicative of dictatorship or imperialistic expansion.
"of, relating to, befitting, or suggestive of an empire or an emperor"
http://east.merriam-...ionary/dictator
"one holding complete autocratic control"
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#166
Posté 17 juillet 2010 - 03:40
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Last time I checked the council was comprised of 3 people of 3 different races. 4 if Anderson is actually included now. They each have one vote. No one has superiority. Simple math. Shand, you just like to provoke arguments and get angry if someone disagrees with you. There's no debating math, it can't lie.
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Posté 17 juillet 2010 - 04:11
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Shandepared wrote...
JohnnyDollar wrote...
...just not indicative of dictatorship or imperialistic expansion.
Then you're blind and/or stupid.
It's getting too far now, this thread derailed to the point of being close-worthy.
Can any moderators reading this consider closing it, please? I never wanted this in the first place.
Thanks (moderators).
