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[triggerhappy456]

MaxQuartiroli wrote...

triggerhappy456 wrote...

the god child seemed certain to appear in a sequel
surely there would be no point in putting that incredibly important idea in only to abandon it later
however, if the decisions are carried over it seems difficult to make it a certain place
guess we should just wait for biowares decision and trust them

I suggest EVERYONE should read what Gaider said here in this topic, yesterday
http://social.biowar...ex/3130023&lf=8
Not only there isn't a single chanche to see something about it in DA2, but there isn't anything planned for the future yet..

he says there that the wardens story is done, and that people will have to wait to find out if morrigan is the game
this idea may be in the next game, it may be in a dlc for the first game, it may not appear at all
i simply think that an idea which could have such massive consequences would not be written out of existence

[triggerhappy456]

Behindyounow wrote...

triggerhappy456 wrote...

the god child seemed certain to appear in a sequel
surely there would be no point in putting that incredibly important idea in only to abandon it later
however, if the decisions are carried over it seems difficult to make it a certain place
guess we should just wait for biowares decision and trust them

If it was such an important plot point, it would've been mandatory.

most players will have at least one game with this choice
and you have to admit, that it is a plot point which could result in massive changes to the dragon age world

[Darth_Trethon]

The OP is just trolling....spouting nonsense to see how many fools will believe it.



BioWare has clearly said they have plans for Morrigan so one way or another we'll see her again whether it's in DLC, DA2 or another DA game but I'm thinking sooner rather than later so probably DLC or DA2 at the latest.

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

One of my characters romanced Morrigan but refused the dark ritual.. sacrificed Loghain. In the epilogue of DA:O it said Morrigan may have been with child.



So think about it, even if you didnt do the dark ritual, if you romanced Morrigan she could still be carrying your baby.



That said, Bioware seem to want to deal with their stories chronologically. Hawkes story takes place when this potential child is still very young.

[OriginsIsBest]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

The OP is just trolling....spouting nonsense to see how many fools will believe it.

BioWare has clearly said they have plans for Morrigan so one way or another we'll see her again whether it's in DLC, DA2 or another DA game but I'm thinking sooner rather than later so probably DLC or DA2 at the latest.

Can I have a link? to where they said this at.

[Darth_Trethon]

OriginsIsBest wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

The OP is just trolling....spouting nonsense to see how many fools will believe it.

BioWare has clearly said they have plans for Morrigan so one way or another we'll see her again whether it's in DLC, DA2 or another DA game but I'm thinking sooner rather than later so probably DLC or DA2 at the latest.

Can I have a link? to where they said this at.

The part about not being done with DAO DLC has been repeatedly said by Chris Priestly and even David Gaider repeatedly recently but the plans for morrigan was 2 or 3 months back.....around the time Awakening released so I can't find a link to that. They did say in an interview about Leliana's Song that they have more companion based DLC in mind for DAO but not the same or similar to the way they did for Leliana.

Here's the one from Leliana's Song DLC interview:

"We also did initial design work for several other followers—some as back-story, some as epilogue, some involving the player Grey Warden, and some not. I'm confident you'll hear about another of those soon"

http://xbox360.ign.c.../1101730p1.html

Modifié par Darth_Trethon, 15 juillet 2010 - 11:50 .

[MaxQuartiroli]

triggerhappy456 wrote...

Behindyounow wrote...

triggerhappy456 wrote...

the god child seemed certain to appear in a sequel
surely there would be no point in putting that incredibly important idea in only to abandon it later
however, if the decisions are carried over it seems difficult to make it a certain place
guess we should just wait for biowares decision and trust them

If it was such an important plot point, it would've been mandatory.

most players will have at least one game with this choice
and you have to admit, that it is a plot point which could result in massive changes to the dragon age world

What do we know of Dragon Age World? A small piece which is Ferelden... There would be many places where people don't even known of Drakspawn, Archdemons and blights. Honestly I trust that many people give too much relevance to this thing.. If you enlarge your vision to an extendend world maybe also that this thing in their plain is like a drop in the ocean..

And they told so many times that they have not the intent to center Dragon Age Franchise around something, be it a single character or a single story, because they want to be free to explore and write everytime different stories

Therefore, my honest opinion is that it's possible they will give a proper closure to the story of the DR, but think they could have planned to consider it a central element of the saga would negate what they said

[triggerhappy456]

MaxQuartiroli wrote...

triggerhappy456 wrote...

Behindyounow wrote...

triggerhappy456 wrote...

the god child seemed certain to appear in a sequel
surely there would be no point in putting that incredibly important idea in only to abandon it later
however, if the decisions are carried over it seems difficult to make it a certain place
guess we should just wait for biowares decision and trust them

If it was such an important plot point, it would've been mandatory.

most players will have at least one game with this choice
and you have to admit, that it is a plot point which could result in massive changes to the dragon age world

What do we know of Dragon Age World? A small piece which is Ferelden... There would be many places where people don't even known of Drakspawn, Archdemons and blights. Honestly I trust that many people give too much relevance to this thing.. If you enlarge your vision to an extendend world maybe also that this thing in their plain is like a drop in the ocean..

And they told so many times that they have not the intent to center Dragon Age Franchise around something, be it a single character or a single story, because they want to be free to explore and write everytime different stories

Therefore, my honest opinion is that it's possible they will give a proper closure to the story of the DR, but think they could have planned to consider it a central element of the saga would negate what they said

i see what your saying, but i do not see how they could just drop it
i dont really mind if they deal with it in dragon age 2, a dlc or whatever, as long as it is not just abandoned
and ferelden, orlais, the dwarven cities and the qunari all know about the blight, so it would have a pretty large impact

[Behindyounow]

They could drop the OGB story easily, because carrying it on would alienate everyone who didn't do the Dark Ritual.

[jpdipity]

OriginsIsBest wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

The OP is just trolling....spouting nonsense to see how many fools will believe it.

BioWare has clearly said they have plans for Morrigan so one way or another we'll see her again whether it's in DLC, DA2 or another DA game but I'm thinking sooner rather than later so probably DLC or DA2 at the latest.

Can I have a link? to where they said this at.

In the August Game Informer article, it states that Morrigan's story is not over.  I'm not sure if that full article is online or not.

Modifié par jpdipity, 15 juillet 2010 - 02:15 .

[triggerhappy456]

Behindyounow wrote...

They could drop the OGB story easily, because carrying it on would alienate everyone who didn't do the Dark Ritual.

but if they did drop the OGB story,, then it would alienate everyone who did do the dark ritual, and one of the more interesting plot threads left open would just dissapear, which would leave alot of people unsatisfied
since it seems like such a large change, bioware will probably have to choose a set event, since the games of DR players and non DR players will be so different unfortunately

[MaxQuartiroli]

triggerhappy456 wrote...

MaxQuartiroli wrote...

triggerhappy456 wrote...

Behindyounow wrote...

triggerhappy456 wrote...

the god child seemed certain to appear in a sequel
surely there would be no point in putting that incredibly important idea in only to abandon it later
however, if the decisions are carried over it seems difficult to make it a certain place
guess we should just wait for biowares decision and trust them

If it was such an important plot point, it would've been mandatory.

most players will have at least one game with this choice
and you have to admit, that it is a plot point which could result in massive changes to the dragon age world

What do we know of Dragon Age World? A small piece which is Ferelden... There would be many places where people don't even known of Drakspawn, Archdemons and blights. Honestly I trust that many people give too much relevance to this thing.. If you enlarge your vision to an extendend world maybe also that this thing in their plain is like a drop in the ocean..

And they told so many times that they have not the intent to center Dragon Age Franchise around something, be it a single character or a single story, because they want to be free to explore and write everytime different stories

Therefore, my honest opinion is that it's possible they will give a proper closure to the story of the DR, but think they could have planned to consider it a central element of the saga would negate what they said

i see what your saying, but i do not see how they could just drop it
i dont really mind if they deal with it in dragon age 2, a dlc or whatever, as long as it is not just abandoned
and ferelden, orlais, the dwarven cities and the qunari all know about the blight, so it would have a pretty large impact

I am not saying they should drop it.

Just that, always in my honest opinion ,people should espect to see a closure by a side quest in some future game or with some DLC, but to think like someone do that they are going to consider it the main element for the history of Dragon Age Games is just too exaggerate. We cannot really know what thet have in their mind for the development of the world, and maybe also they don't consider it as important as many players do.
As there are many players who ask for a closure there are also many players who followed different ways in their story, and if they were allowed to do that there must be a reason.

Someone said that if they wanted the DR to be canon they probably made it mandatory, and I agree with that.

[Arlaen]

TMZuk wrote...

I want them to be consistent.

I want them to end the tales they have begun, before setting out on a new one. If they'd not foreseen that making an openended ending to the first installment would cause demands to see where ALL these ending would head, they should not have done it.

I doubt there are more than a handful of players who do not have a savegame where they have performed the ritual, so making a continuation that makes use of the Godchild is not difficult at all.

Likewise, they -could- have made the ending where the warden dies canon, and have DA2 pick up there. Most ppl have a savegame like that as well, but they didn't. They made DA:A, and left us with a cliffhanger ending, after having played through a mediocre expansion. So now people are well within their rights when they demand an opportunity to end DA1 (DA:O + DA:A)

Instead Bioware goes for options that are limiting and narrowing. Abandoning old characters, fixed, voice-acted protagonist, archetype franchise and short development time. It is all so depressing, that I think I'll go and play BG2 instead! Or Warhammer: Blood for the Bloodgod, skulls for the throne of KHOOOORRRNNNEEEE!!!!

*How* I agree with you!!
I really want and end to my warden's story!

[MaxQuartiroli]

triggerhappy456 wrote...

Behindyounow wrote...

They could drop the OGB story easily, because carrying it on would alienate everyone who didn't do the Dark Ritual.

but if they did drop the OGB story,, then it would alienate everyone who did do the dark ritual, and one of the more interesting plot threads left open would just dissapear, which would leave alot of people unsatisfied
since it seems like such a large change, bioware will probably have to choose a set event, since the games of DR players and non DR players will be so different unfortunately

But in that case it shouldn't be like denying what you did. If they force players who didn't do the DR to have it,
it would be exactly like tell them.. "What you did doesn't matter. Your story from this moment is screwed and will continue in the way we decided. Deal with it"

If you don't give a continuation to that, it wouldn't mean they are denying it happened. Just that they don't want to tell you what happened after. It would be sad and disappointing but your story would not be forced to follow a different way from the one you choosed. Especially now that you are going to begin with a new character. If they had continued the story using the  Warden you could consider also your story screwed because you could always said "What? no, I knew that my warden was searching for Morrigan, he's not doing these things you show me". But now that you have a new character you cannot say this

If they will decide to let your warden disappear in the sunset in his search for Morrigan is not so different from let your warden disappear in the sunset with Zevran "to live new adventures". Which adventures?! We'll never know !
Same thing... Did the Warden ever found Morgan? Who knows.. It's not so different... It's just called "bittersweet ending" and sometimes these thing happens.

[Tellervo]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Ulicus wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Whachu talkin' bout Willis? If anything, they seem to be making the future in which the god child exists the only canon one by retconning the others.

How? We've been told that we import our Warden's decisions over into DA2.

Just like how my Warden was able to be imported to Awakening, yet the most important decision of all was simply shoved ignored.

I don't see how making a game that focuses on the Warden and the effects of the DR would canonize the ending, and if it did why it would matter.  If your Warden did the US, their story ends there.  There is no sequel, no more story, in that universe.  I don't see how you could continue it/why you would want to, so why complain that continuing from the DR canonizes it?  Because it doesn't.  It's just, for the US, you're done.  You had a noble ending, and the world doesn't fall to wrack and ruin from your moment of weakness (or moment of defiance, be that your preference).  That's it.  All such vociferous complaining does is deprive the portion of the fanbase who did do the DR and found it a compelling story element from ever getting any resolution--whereas those who did the US have instant resolution.

I agree that it would be nice of Bioware to finish the story they started, but it seems highly unlikely at this point--I wouldn't hold out hope.

Modifié par Tellervo, 15 juillet 2010 - 03:25 .

[triggerhappy456]

MaxQuartiroli wrote...

triggerhappy456 wrote...

MaxQuartiroli wrote...

triggerhappy456 wrote...

Behindyounow wrote...

triggerhappy456 wrote...

the god child seemed certain to appear in a sequel
surely there would be no point in putting that incredibly important idea in only to abandon it later
however, if the decisions are carried over it seems difficult to make it a certain place
guess we should just wait for biowares decision and trust them

If it was such an important plot point, it would've been mandatory.

most players will have at least one game with this choice
and you have to admit, that it is a plot point which could result in massive changes to the dragon age world

What do we know of Dragon Age World? A small piece which is Ferelden... There would be many places where people don't even known of Drakspawn, Archdemons and blights. Honestly I trust that many people give too much relevance to this thing.. If you enlarge your vision to an extendend world maybe also that this thing in their plain is like a drop in the ocean..

And they told so many times that they have not the intent to center Dragon Age Franchise around something, be it a single character or a single story, because they want to be free to explore and write everytime different stories

Therefore, my honest opinion is that it's possible they will give a proper closure to the story of the DR, but think they could have planned to consider it a central element of the saga would negate what they said

i see what your saying, but i do not see how they could just drop it
i dont really mind if they deal with it in dragon age 2, a dlc or whatever, as long as it is not just abandoned
and ferelden, orlais, the dwarven cities and the qunari all know about the blight, so it would have a pretty large impact

I am not saying they should drop it.

Just that, always in my honest opinion ,people should espect to see a closure by a side quest in some future game or with some DLC, but to think like someone do that they are going to consider it the main element for the history of Dragon Age Games is just too exaggerate. We cannot really know what thet have in their mind for the development of the world, and maybe also they don't consider it as important as many players do.
As there are many players who ask for a closure there are also many players who followed different ways in their story, and if they were allowed to do that there must be a reason.

Someone said that if they wanted the DR to be canon they probably made it mandatory, and I agree with that.

i think that it would probably work best if it was closed in a dlc, even though it would be a dissapointing ending for people who thought the DR should be the ending
bioware will presumable have to choose one ending as canon, otherwise the games would vary massively from player to player
or, maybe the reason the game is set partly during dao is so hawke can leave the events of the first dragon age behind, and then the stop hearing full stop about events in ferelden. it could probably work, nathaniel didnt really seem to know much about what had hapenned and he ahd been in the free marshes

[MaxQuartiroli]

@Tellervo



You are just denying there are two other possible ways that players were free to follow, where they could survive the final battle without any DR. For all these players the world continued, their Warden survived and the ending of their game stated that Morrigan disapperaed forever without any pregnancy...

Therefore if they could canonize DR all these players should be free to complain.. a lot!

[triggerhappy456]

MaxQuartiroli wrote...

triggerhappy456 wrote...

Behindyounow wrote...

They could drop the OGB story easily, because carrying it on would alienate everyone who didn't do the Dark Ritual.

but if they did drop the OGB story,, then it would alienate everyone who did do the dark ritual, and one of the more interesting plot threads left open would just dissapear, which would leave alot of people unsatisfied
since it seems like such a large change, bioware will probably have to choose a set event, since the games of DR players and non DR players will be so different unfortunately

But in that case it shouldn't be like denying what you did. If they force players who didn't do the DR to have it,
it would be exactly like tell them.. "What you did doesn't matter. Your story from this moment is screwed and will continue in the way we decided. Deal with it"

If you don't give a continuation to that, it wouldn't mean they are denying it happened. Just that they don't want to tell you what happened after. It would be sad and disappointing but your story would not be forced to follow a different way from the one you choosed. Especially now that you are going to begin with a new character. If they had continued the story using the  Warden you could consider also your story screwed because you could always said "What? no, I knew that my warden was searching for Morrigan, he's not doing these things you show me". But now that you have a new character you cannot say this

If they will decide to let your warden disappear in the sunset in his search for Morrigan is not so different from let your warden disappear in the sunset with Zevran "to live new adventures". Which adventures?! We'll never know !
Same thing... Did the Warden ever found Morgan? Who knows.. It's not so different... It's just called "bittersweet ending" and sometimes these thing happens.

i think in either case one group of players will feel like bioware in ignoring them, its unfortunate
i would find it hard to believe that the story would just go away forever, not asking it to be in this game, but at some point would like this issue to be adressed
i did not particularly like hearing that the wardens future adventures would just be left to the imagination, but this point always stuck out for me as important
i am probably just feeling the same way as those who made the ultimate sacrifice when they heard of awakening, its a very hard situation to resolve

[Snowbug]

Maybe there is another way of producing the god child aside the ritual. Have been denied the opportunity for the ritual, maybe Morrigan went for plan B.

[Riona45]

vilnii wrote...

They are refusing him the right to see the light of day. They fear that if he is allowed to thrive, he will overturn Thedas and upstage Andraste

How does everyone know it's a "he?"

[Riona45]

Snowbug wrote...

Maybe there is another way of producing the god child aside the ritual. Have been denied the opportunity for the ritual, maybe Morrigan went for plan B.

That's what I've suspected for a long time.  That way they can still use this plot and not invalidate the stories of those who chose not to do the ritual.

Modifié par Riona45, 15 juillet 2010 - 04:56 .

[Lord_Saulot]

Riona45 wrote...

vilnii wrote...

They are refusing him the right to see the light of day. They fear that if he is allowed to thrive, he will overturn Thedas and upstage Andraste

How does everyone know it's a "he?"

I would actually suspect it is a "she", personally.  Just because I think Morrigan should have a daughter to fit the motifs better.

[jemdos]

I didn't do the "evil" ritual with Morrigan, and she left.



But in the end of the game, she was seen leaving Felderen, pregnant.



OK, my character did evil things to Morrigan *before* that.

[Captain Jazz]

Perhaps there will be a later game (because it has been made fairly clear in a few posts in this thread which have been neatly ignored that this god child is far too young to be in DA2 - Morrigan isn't so stupid that she'd set her child loose upon the world before it had the chance to develop it's powers, whatever her plans are, I doubt they're to raise a god child for the purposes of letting it die which, god child or not, an 8 year old would in the wilds of Thedas) where your character will be the child of Morrigan with either the option to be a god child or not, or the option to import a saved game from DA to determine it. Of course, that character would be limited to being human or a half- elf or dwarf, which would ****** everyone off again.