39 respuestas en este tema

[Tooneyman]

I wanted to put this in the spoiler thread, because I think this is a very important decussion. What we have heard is Bioware said they weren't going to make a sequel. Well this crazy idea came across my head that maybe they should let Obsidian do it. Obsidian has made some great sequels and I'm not going to lie they have good ideas at their studio and I think the new Fall out vegas is going to be amazing. After them working on Fallout I think Bioware should ask Obsidian Studios if they would consider making the Jade Empire sequel. Heres the catch though Bioware writers would work close with the Studio. The game would only be released if Bioware gave their stamp of approval. What do you all think of this idea?

I've added a poll to see what company people would want to make a Jade Empire 2 sequel. Of course Bioware is on it. 

Heres the link:
http://social.biowar...331/polls/8059/

Editado por Tooneyman, 14 julio 2010 - 08:50 .

[Amentep]

I think the thing is they'd need a distributor willing to shell out the money to Bio/Obsidian to do it. And while I think as long as Bio keeps having game success they could probably get EA to eventually go for the idea of a JE2 if Bio wanted to do it, I'm not sure they could convince EA to do it without Bio being the developer.



But I could be wrong, too.

[Tooneyman]

Amentep wrote...

I think the thing is they'd need a distributor willing to shell out the money to Bio/Obsidian to do it. And while I think as long as Bio keeps having game success they could probably get EA to eventually go for the idea of a JE2 if Bio wanted to do it, I'm not sure they could convince EA to do it without Bio being the developer.

But I could be wrong, too.

It would definitely take some time. I think if DA 2 proves to be valuable and the way the mechanics work. Bioware may just decide to reboot a few games like Jade Empire and even shattered steel from their resting places.  Think ME conversation combine with DA 2 visuals and JE combat improved. Equals one awesome Jade Empire sequel.  

[Fizzeler]

If BioWare did this with Obsidian, pretty sure Sega or 2K would publish it and not EA seeing as Sega is currently publishing Obsidian's games



I like the idea though (after all they did a great job with all their sequels and Alpha Protocol so why not?)

[Amentep]

Fizzeler wrote...

If BioWare did this with Obsidian, pretty sure Sega or 2K would publish it and not EA seeing as Sega is currently publishing Obsidian's games

I like the idea though (after all they did a great job with all their sequels and Alpha Protocol so why not?)

AFAIK, Sega's deal with Obs was just for Aliens: Crucible (cancelled) and Alpha Protocol (for which Sega heads recently said they'd be no sequel).

Obs' next announced games are with Bethesda (Fallout: New Vegas) and Square-Enix (Dungeon Siege III).

So I'm sure if a deal could be brokered there wouldn't be a problem with Obs working with EA.  The questions are really will EA want to do a JE sequel, does Bio want to farm it out if a sequel is green lit, and is Obs willing to do it if they were to be asked?

[Tooneyman]

I don't know, but I'm thinking of writing a couple of letters. To the execs at Obsidian and maybe a couple to bioware. Whats funny is I'm thinking of even getting a petitions started here in Austin. HEHE. I've got Bioware on my front door. I just need more people behind it and thats not going to be easy.

[BlackyBlack]

It would be unfinished with millions of bugs and very unoptimized with crappy graphics and a crappy ending

Editado por BlackyBlack, 14 julio 2010 - 09:12 .

[Alexine]

I think Obsidian would be a good choice. However, with their history of games, they tend not to react the potential. I think their games, such as Alpha Protocol would probably make GOTY, if they implemented the idea in a different way (because the idea's is brilliant). But I'll see when Fallout: New Vegas comes out and see how I feel about them taking over it.

[MaxQuartiroli]

I don't wanna see them to give away their best game ever.

If there will be ever a JE2 I want it done by Bioware , not by any other company which can only blow it, especially Obsidian

If they won't work personally on a sequel, then it's better don't have any sequel

[Onyx Jaguar]

I'm not sure if it would be Obsidian's bag, but I can't see a developer working on such a project. Jade Empire is just so different. Maybe someone random like Remedy. Other than Bioware I am drawing a blank.

[Worrywort]

I wouldn't have a problem with it at all. I love Obsidian's games, especially the ones where Chris Avellone was a lead designer.

Editado por Worrywort, 25 julio 2010 - 06:16 .

[Valtor232]

Not a big Obsidian fan, but JE 2 is better then nothing

[andysdead]

I think Obsidian is a horrible choice. They have consistently failed to live up to the potential of any IP they have undertaken.

[Tooneyman]

What about Bioshock 2. It was really well made and obsidian did a really good job on it.

[Artemis_Entrari]

BlackyBlack wrote...

It would be unfinished with millions of bugs and very unoptimized with crappy graphics and a crappy ending

Unfinished?  They've "finished" every single game they've released.  The KOTOR II ending was unfulfilling, but it was certainly finished.

Crappy graphics?  NWN2 looked better than NWN1, and KOTOR II looked better than KOTOR I.  Alpha Protocol looked like it should have been released around 2005, but other than that they've actually improved the actual graphics of the games they inherited.

Bugs are in every game.  Fun fact, my personal play through I never had a single bug in Alpha Protocol.  Other people had tonnes of them.  Gaming experiences aren't the same for everyone.

Out of curiosity, have you played every single one of Obsidian's games?  Or did you read about them on the internet and just repeat the complaints you may have heard?

No, they're not perfect.  They don't polish their games anywhere to the quality that BioWare does.  I prefer BioWare's overall finished product, due mainly to the fact BioWare does consistently have a polished overall product.  But things like graphics and bugs, they get a bum rap for, especially considering they improved upon the graphics of the two games BioWare sent their way.

andysdead wrote...

I think Obsidian is a horrible choice.
They have consistently failed to live up to the potential of any IP they
have undertaken.

NWN2 was better than NWN1.  KOTOR II's
ending was rushed/unfinished, but the rest of the game was as good, if
not more indepth, than KOTOR I.

Tooneyman wrote...



What about Bioshock 2. It was really well made and obsidian did a really good job on it.

Obsidian didn't make Bioshock 2 ...

As for this topic, my first choice would be BioWare.  They know the setting, they do great finished products.  But if Obsidian got the hand-me-down, I'd certainly look at that situation as "second best option" and be excited by it.

[Worrywort]

Artemis_Entrari wrote...
KOTOR II's
ending was rushed/unfinished, but the rest of the game was as good, if
not more indepth, than KOTOR I.

The quote in my signature is from Kreia at the end, and it's some of the best dialog I've ever seen in a videogame.
Most of the cut content was from other sections of the game though, but there's now a restoration mod. 

Besides, it's not even Obsidians fault that kotor 2 was rushed. That's all on LucasArts.. they wouldn't even let Obsidian release a content patch!

Editado por Worrywort, 11 agosto 2010 - 07:03 .

[andysdead]

The fact is that KOTOR2 was unfinished, and is STILL unfinished to date. NWN2 looks really good, in fact I still play it from time to time, but the biggest issue that I've had with Obsidian is their lack of interest in supporting games post-release. It's like, they'll put out a game then just abandon it, leaving it up to players in "self-help" tech support forums to devise bug work-arounds rather than actually patching the game to the point where it works. Sure, BioWare has done that to some extent as well, but I believe in their more recent games, such as Dragon Age, Mass Effect 2, etc, they have certainly taken a more community-focused, proactive approach to technical support that really puts them at the top of the industry in such things, right there alongside Blizzard.



The computer game industry is notorious for ******-poor tech support and customer service. Obsidian, in that light, is merely average when it comes to those qualities. Unfortunately for them, average just isn't good enough for me.

[Artemis_Entrari]

andysdead wrote...
The fact is that KOTOR2 was unfinished, and is STILL unfinished to date

That's simply not true.  Unfinished means there is NO ending.  KOTOR II has an ending; it just happens to be a really bad ending.

Knock them for their poor endings, but don't accuse them of unfinished endings.  The game, and all the events that happened throughout the game, has an ending that explains stuff.  It's just kind of a misshapen mess.

NWN2 looks really good, in fact I still play it from time to time, but the biggest issue that I've had with Obsidian is their lack of interest in supporting games post-release. It's like, they'll put out a game then just abandon it, leaving it up to players in "self-help" tech support forums to devise bug work-arounds rather than actually patching the game to the point where it works. Sure, BioWare has done that to some extent as well, but I believe in their more recent games, such as Dragon Age, Mass Effect 2, etc, they have certainly taken a more community-focused, proactive approach to technical support that really puts them at the top of the industry in such things, right there alongside Blizzard.

Aren't BioWare, especially since EA took over, self-published?  It's the publisher that gives the go-ahead for any patches/improvements/post-release additions.  It's a lot easier to follow up on stuff when you're the one deciding whether you want your game supported or not.  Obsidian's at the whims of its publishers.

[Worrywort]

I liked the ending to kotor2. It wasn't perfect -- the restoration patch improves it -- but I liked it.

[andysdead]

Artemis_Entrari wrote...

andysdead wrote...
The fact is that KOTOR2 was unfinished, and is STILL unfinished to date

That's simply not true.  Unfinished means there is NO ending.  KOTOR II has an ending; it just happens to be a really bad ending.

Knock them for their poor endings, but don't accuse them of unfinished endings.  The game, and all the events that happened throughout the game, has an ending that explains stuff.  It's just kind of a misshapen mess.

I never said it was the ending that was unfinished. There is documented content that was left out of the game due to release date constraints, yet there still remains relics of said content in-game. The HK factory scenario comes to mind. Yea, the end was terrible, but that isn't what I would consider to be unfinished.

[Zaxares]

Obsidian has good talent, and I've enjoyed the games they've made, but they have a serious problem with being too ambitious and ending up having to do a rush-job on their endings and cutting a lot of content out of the game. They just need to be more realistic about what they can achieve in the time they have.



That said, I actually thought they did a good job on Storm of Zehir's ending, and I haven't played Alpha Protocol, so they may have improved since the days of KotOR II and NWN2.

[Bratinov]

Obsidian made KOTOR2 the most unbalanced game ever...

[Tooneyman]

Bratinov wrote...

Obsidian made KOTOR2 the most unbalanced game ever...

That maybe, but they are making fallout new Vegas and so far from what I've seen it looks really good. I could be wrong its why I haven't preordered it. I'm going to wait for the reviews of the game and see how buggy it is. Now all games have their bugs, but obsidian is nortorious for some very bad ones. I'm going to keep an open mind on this topic. I think if Fallout New Vegas is a great game. I think bioware could be open to letting Obsidian maybe make the Jade Empire sequel. Although they should keep an eye on it just to make sure its done right.

[Bratinov]

Fallout 3 had its bugs, but with such a big game its expected, most of them came from DRM DLC BS, GFWL etc.



I will be getting New Vegas, good or not, because i love Oblivion/Morrowind styled games, but I'll try to wait for the GOTY edition this time.



I do hope obsidian proves they can make a balanced, complete game, but given the little development time given to them i doubt it.