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[ZtalkerRM]

Hi all.

I see all this fanboy crying over bad screenshots and quality expected from DA:2

When we take a look at release dates, it could be explained:

Mass Effect 1: November 20, 2007
Mass Effect 2: January 26, 2010
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                            2 years and three months time.

Dragon Age Origins: September 2009
D.A.O: Awakening:    March 2010                         
Dragon Age 2:           March 2011   (possible)
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                            1,5 year for 3 games, or 2.5 games.


I am feeling a classic problem here.
Is Bioware being forced to rush this? Compared to the Mass Effect development time, the dev's get considerable less time for this franchise.

How do you guys at Bioware feel about this?
I remember the team behind Kotor 2 had regrets about the deadline forced upon them by Lucasarts. They cut entire game sections.

Do you guys think March 2011 is realstic?

[packardbell]

ZtalkerRM wrote...

Hi all.

I see all this fanboy crying over bad screenshots and quality expected from DA:2

When we take a look at release dates, it could be explained:

Mass Effect 1: November 20, 2007
Mass Effect 2: January 26, 2010
-----------------------------------------------
                            2 years and three months time.

Dragon Age Origins: September 2009
D.A.O: Awakening:    March 2010                         
Dragon Age 2:           March 2011   (possible)
----------------------------------------------------
                            1,5 year for 3 games, or 2.5 games.


I am feeling a classic problem here.
Is Bioware being forced to rush this? Compared to the Mass Effect development time, the dev's get considerable less time for this franchise.

How do you guys at Bioware feel about this?
I remember the team behind Kotor 2 had regrets about the deadline forced upon them by Lucasarts. They cut entire game sections.

Do you guys think March 2011 is realstic?

DA:O was delayed remember? It was originally meant to come out early 2009 but was delayed to November so they could port it to the consoles and finish any undeveloped content (the stone prisoner) and I'm sure Awakening was developed in that time or at least the framework was in place.

Which probably means DA2 was developed by the main team during that time period.

[Kinthalis ThornBlade]

Actually, the opposite is probably true.



It would have (probably) been easier to simply update the engine a bit, add some new art resources and create new levels than to do what they've done: scrap the entire previous art concept and go with a drastically different one.

[rexil]

But DA2 could be already in developement before DA:O was released, couldn't it?

[packardbell]

rexil wrote...

But DA2 could be already in developement before DA:O was released, couldn't it?

When they were aquired by EA? Could be the case but they needed proof the franchise would sell first.

[ZtalkerRM]

packardbell wrote...

rexil wrote...

But DA2 could be already in developement before DA:O was released, couldn't it?

When they were aquired by EA? Could be the case but they needed proof the franchise would sell first.

That's why I get the feeling this is turning into a cash-cow. If you see the spreading of DLC over the year, the anouncement of the expansion and now part 2, they're overdoing it a bit.
More DA is not what everbody wants. Good DA is...not saying the two can;t be combined, but the opposite is mostly true, like in the case of Kotor 2.

[Jezcentral]

What does KOTOR 2 have to do with Bioware?

[orpheus333]

You guys should remember that its not rime that makes the difference but man-hours invested.

[ZtalkerRM]

Jezcentral wrote...

What does KOTOR 2 have to do with Bioware?

Thought everyone knew the story around here...

Succesfull game needs succesor to generate more cash. A development team is given an impossible deadline and despite their best efforts, have to cut entire portions of the game. The publishers didn't care and fans were left with an incomplete, buggy game.

And I personally think this release schedule, combined with the screens that are given, somehwat points into the direction of an difficult, if not impossible, deadline.

Modifié par ZtalkerRM, 14 juillet 2010 - 03:04 .

[rexil]

packardbell wrote...

rexil wrote...

But DA2 could be already in developement before DA:O was released, couldn't it?

When they were aquired by EA? Could be the case but they needed proof the franchise would sell first.

Or they could have started it one or two months after DA was release (they had proof it sold well by the time).
So it's in development for atleast, mmm, 9 months? And they have more 8months ahead. 1,4/1,5 year to develop a game that's already has all the tools ready isn't THAT bad.

[Oldenglishcdr]

Yes I think it was mentioned just two days ago by Bioware that we shouldn't be thinking in terms of months passed, but rather percentage of game completed.



Also who's to say DA2 wasn't being worked on since DAO release, so much we don't know obviously.

[Ecael]

packardbell wrote...

rexil wrote...

But DA2 could be already in developement before DA:O was released, couldn't it?

When they were aquired by EA? Could be the case but they needed proof the franchise would sell first.

If they needed proof, they wouldn't have acquired BioWare in the first place.

[Ecael]

ZtalkerRM wrote...

Jezcentral wrote...

What does KOTOR 2 have to do with Bioware?

Thought everyone knew the story around here...

Succesfull game needs succesor to generate more cash. A development team is given an impossible deadline and despite their best efforts, have to cut entire portions of the game. The publishers didn't care and fans were left with an incomplete, buggy game.

And I personally think this release schedule, combined with the screens that are given, somehwat points into the direction of an difficult, if not impossible, deadline.

Developer(s) -- Obsidian Entertainment
Publisher(s) -- LucasArts

Modifié par Ecael, 14 juillet 2010 - 03:07 .

[Tizle]

Jezcentral wrote...

What does KOTOR 2 have to do with Bioware?

TOUCHE! kotor 2 had nothing to do w/ the BIOWARE lol

[L0ckd0wn325]

Could be worse Bioware could have pulled a Left 4 Dead 2. *shudder*

[ZtalkerRM]

Let´s pretend EA doesn´t own Bioware then kids, an EA has no history of bad publishing decisions and it's employers wear pink polo's with rainbows painted on the back.

Was merely sketching a situation based on the (imo) steep release date. I'm not saying this could be the case, but I'm giving an example of a good selling IP that needed a sequel too. Which didn't go well.

Modifié par ZtalkerRM, 14 juillet 2010 - 03:13 .

[Archereon]

That's why I assert the Blizzard development model is best. They don't set deadlines until they know they can meet them with a complete and extremely polished game.

[RBM94]

Come on, do you really think DA2 is gonna be released on the scheduled date? Don't you remember DA:O massive postponing? DA2 will be released only in 2012 (should the world not end first). Hold on and you'll see.

Now, even were they to stick to the announced date, you are counting only the years between game launches, not the time spent to develop them. Have you not though yet that DA2 may have been produced along (at the same time) with DA:O and now Bioware is simply polishing the graphics to make them up-to-date? That would explain perfectly why the screenshots don't sound that good: the game is ready, the graphics not.

I trust Bioware.

Modifié par RBM94, 14 juillet 2010 - 03:19 .

[Tizle]

RBM94 wrote...

Come on, do you really think DA2 is gonna be released on the scheduled date? Don't you remember DA:O massive postponing? DA2 will be released only in 2012 (should the world not end first). Hold on and you'll see.

Now, even where they to stick to the announced date, you are counting only the years between game launches, not the time spent to develop them. Have you not though yet that DA2 may have been produced along (at the same time) with DA:O and now Bioware is simply polishing the graphics to make them up-to-date? That would explain perfectly why the screenshots don't sound that good: the game is ready, the graphics not.

I trust Bioware.

i actually remember the pushback for the release of DA:O. i was quite ticked that i had to wait longer lols...

[bjdbwea]

ME 2 was definitely too soon. Especially because they pretty much threw everything away, instead of using existing assets. Even some level designs could easily have been used again. Instead they forced themselves to make everything anew, and the time constraints show. Since it seems they're going to do the same for DA 2, I am very sceptical.

Remember, EA will probably not allow pushing back of release dates. This isn't the BioWare that developed DA 1 anymore, when that was possible.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 14 juillet 2010 - 03:34 .

[Ecael]

bjdbwea wrote...

ME 2 was definitely too soon. Especially because they pretty much threw everything away, instead of using existing assets. Even some level designs could easily have been used again. Instead they forced themselves to make everything anew, and the time constraints show. Since it seems they're going to do the same for DA 2, I am very sceptical.

Existing assets like... Unreal Engine 3?

Remember, EA will probably not allow pushing back of release dates. This isn't the BioWare that developed DA 1 anymore.

Mass Effect 2 was released in January, one of the worst times to release a video game (after holiday season).

The console-exclusive Mass Effect 1 was released right before holiday season, just like Microsoft did with their X-Box 360 console (released 2 years ago at the same time, and was eventually recalled due to RRODs).

Christina Norman even says that they were pushed for time in making Mass Effect 1 in comparison to Mass Effect 2 in one of her earlier interviews.

[Games4ever]

Am so happy that EA didn't had any luck in buying Take Two, because if they had then was GTA 12 already on its way out



EA have already destroyed Pandemic Studios,don't hope they destroy Bioware too in the future

[Stanley Woo]

No release date speculation, please. We will announce release dates as they become available. Thank you.



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