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[packardbell]

The sort of DRM that requires you to be online all the time, this was in the newest C&C game I believe.. however such a thing would cripple my already slow internet. Do not force that upon us please. 

[ZtalkerRM]

You need to be online for the DLC stuff anyway.



And don't blame Bioware if they did it. Slap your neighbour kid who downloads everything in the face. It's sad to see good customers like me and you (judging by the registered games beneath your avatar) have to 'suffer' this, but if publishers and dev's wouldn't protect their IP this way, there would be no Dragon Age 3, Assassins Creed 3 etc.

[orpheus333]

While I haven't had a problem with it, and i like the way Ubisoft are trying to integrate it into their matchmaking software with conviction is till don't 'like' it. Its not the way the industry should be going with DRM and Conviction AC2 still got cracked.

I like the DRM DA has at the moment. Its a soft option but probably doesn't work against hardcore pirates. Still hopefully it will move more casual illegal downloaders to buy the game if they like it just to play the integrated DLC.

Modifié par andyr1986, 14 juillet 2010 - 03:02 .

[Kijin]

Agreed. While I do think that developers have a right to protect their software, the sort of DRM that requires the player to constantly be online is far too punishing to those who legally bought the product.

[packardbell]

ZtalkerRM wrote...

You need to be online for the DLC stuff anyway.

And don't blame Bioware if they did it. Slap your neighbour kid who downloads everything in the face. It's sad to see good customers like me and you (judging by the registered games beneath your avatar) have to 'suffer' this, but if publishers and dev's wouldn't protect their IP this way, there would be no Dragon Age 3, Assassins Creed 3 etc.

I know it does but the sort that requires you to keep sending over information which does terrible things with your bandwidth. 

[Ponce de Leon]

Actually, apart from connection problems and/or server problems, I much liked AC2's way... no disc in the way, updates were fast and automatic. And I personally had no trouble at all.

And as said, for DLC, we still need an online authorization, so Dragon Age is as good, if not worse than Ubisoft.

[Ecael]

packardbell wrote...

The sort of DRM that requires you to be online all the time, this was in the newest C&C game I believe.. however such a thing would cripple my already slow internet. Do not force that upon us please. 

Don Moar responded to a thread I made about this:

http://social.biowar.../index/1809543/

Don Moar wrote...

Hey,

My answer in those other threads may have been ambiguous but it was honest.

ME3 is still a long way off and no decisions regarding DRM have been made yet, nor would I expect them to get made for some time. That being said, the customer response to DRM used on past BioWare and other products will factor into that decision. If you have any doubts, just consider that the customer response to the DRM used on ME1 (PC) influenced the DRM decision on ME2 (PC).

Don M

So, we might just see the standard disc check from Dragon Age: Origins and Mass Effect 2.

[Tizle]

i feel like a nOOb because idk wat DRM means hehe...

[FDrage]

You only need to be online for downloading the DLC and activating in. I frequently play ME1/2/DA:O offline. A "constant being online and if you lose connection you are out of luck" would be terrible in my point of view. Worse then what Bioware planed initially with the 10 day reactivations period for ME1.

Modifié par FDrage, 14 juillet 2010 - 03:07 .

[packardbell]

Tizle wrote...

i feel like a nOOb because idk wat DRM means hehe...

Digital rights management

[ZtalkerRM]

Tizle wrote...

i feel like a nOOb because idk wat DRM means hehe...

Ser Google is your friend
http://en.wikipedia....ghts_management

Meant the game will require a constant internet connection to play. So no laptopping in the garden....unless you have a wireless network.

[Archereon]

Digital Rights Management: A system that is intended to prevent software piracy, but really just punishes players who legally purchase the game, while rewarding people who torrent cracked copies.



No matter how good the DRM programmers are, there will always be someone out there who's good enough and willing to crack it.

[MaaZeus]

ZtalkerRM wrote...

You need to be online for the DLC stuff anyway.

Last time I checked you need to be online only once whenever you install new DLC. Nothing compared to Ubisofts abomination...


*edit* Ooops, meant DLC.

Modifié par MaaZeus, 14 juillet 2010 - 06:48 .

[packardbell]

Archereon wrote...

Digital Rights Management: A system that is intended to prevent software piracy, but really just punishes players who legally purchase the game, while rewarding people who torrent cracked copies.

No matter how good the DRM programmers are, there will always be someone out there who's good enough and willing to crack it.

Which always seems the case.. it's strange publishers don't learn from this. Well, obviously EA learnt it with DA and ME but why they did this with C&C itself is very strange indeed. Since all the negative reviews were to do with the DRM and not the actual game which was still reportedly bad.

[ZtalkerRM]

MaaZeus wrote...

ZtalkerRM wrote...

You need to be online for the DLC stuff anyway.

Last time I checked you need to be online only once whenever you install new DRM. Nothing compared to Ubisofts abomination...

Oh, didn't know that. I automatically assumed you needed to be online the entire time.
I had no problem with AC2 though. Not a single drop-out. Seriously. Worked perfect.

[Livemmo]

The day this happens is the day I stop purchasing and playing Bioware games. I was a huge Splinter Cell fan until they slapped the DRM on it. Now I refuse to buy it. Loyal customers will purchase your product as long as its of fair price with reasonable and enjoyable content. Dont use piracy as an excuse for bad sales. Look no further than the crap you put out.

[Ecael]

ZtalkerRM wrote...

MaaZeus wrote...

ZtalkerRM wrote...

You need to be online for the DLC stuff anyway.

Last time I checked you need to be online only once whenever you install new DRM. Nothing compared to Ubisofts abomination...

Oh, didn't know that. I automatically assumed you needed to be online the entire time.
I had no problem with AC2 though. Not a single drop-out. Seriously. Worked perfect.

Isn't Assassin's Creed 2 a single-player game, though?

[Livemmo]

Ecael wrote...

ZtalkerRM wrote...

MaaZeus wrote...

ZtalkerRM wrote...

You need to be online for the DLC stuff anyway.

Last time I checked you need to be online only once whenever you install new DRM. Nothing compared to Ubisofts abomination...

Oh, didn't know that. I automatically assumed you needed to be online the entire time.
I had no problem with AC2 though. Not a single drop-out. Seriously. Worked perfect.

Isn't Assassin's Creed 2 a single-player game, though?

yea single player game that requires the player to be online at all times to make sure its a legit purchased version. those without an internet connection are screwed. when the servers go down you're screwed. if the servers get hacked you're screwed. if anything happens with the servers you're screwed.

like splinter cell i was a huge fan of AC but of course I refused to purchase AC2 so sadly that series is done for me.

[Coldren]

I have to agree, that while they do need to protect their property, there should be ways to do so without requiring an "Always On" connection just because I download some DLC.



Something like a public key downloaded from their server based on account name, machine name, and product (License) key when you purchase DLC so that you have to go online to get and activate it, but not require a connection after that.



But yeah, I definitely dislike the fact that I have to be connected to the internet to play a single player local game.

[ZtalkerRM]

Ecael wrote...
Isn't Assassin's Creed 2 a single-player game, though?

Quite ironic isn't it? But I suspect single player games are the ones pirated the most....

[Livemmo]

The sad part is that xbox users dont have to put up with crap like this even though piracy is just as bad on the 360 as it is on the pc. the arguement that its harder to commit piracy on a 360 is invalid. all you have to do is watch a youtube video and its just as easy.



Im not saying I condone any of this activity, my 360 is still connected to live for what its worth, but to point fingers at just pc gamers and say were all bad is insane and thats exactly what gaming companies are doing. The worst part is, within weeks of the game being released theres still a crack released. It just takes "them" longer to come up with one. The only people that are hurt in the longer run end up being those that paid for the game in the first place. While servers are "down", paying customers are unable to access the game they purchased while "pirates" are still able to continue playing.



It makes no sense. Put out a good product and dont rush it and people will buy your game. You cant stop piracy so stop trying. You're only hurting your customers.

[Alyzabeth]

If they do Assassin's Creed 2 DRM, I will be forced to get this game by other means. I have VERY slow Internet. IMO, DRM encourages piracy.

[Brockololly]

At least going by ME2 and DAO, EA has lightened up a lot on DRM as of late- certainly nothing like the rubbish they had going on with Spore or ME1 for PC. The most recent BioWare stuff is just simple disk checks which is fine by me.BUt then of course if you want any of the day one DLC and such you've got to register on here or with the Cerberus network type stuff- I can see BioWare continuing with that kind of thing for DA2.

My guess is that in order to use the save import feature it will tie in to the Social site somehow, effectively making it a kind of DRM, in a way.

Modifié par Brockololly, 14 juillet 2010 - 03:38 .

[the_one_54321]

Ecael wrote...

packardbell wrote...
The sort of DRM that requires you to be online all the time, this was in the newest C&C game I believe.. however such a thing would cripple my already slow internet. Do not force that upon us please. 

Don Moar responded to a thread I made about this:

http://social.biowar.../index/1809543/

Don Moar wrote...
Hey,

My answer in those other threads may have been ambiguous but it was honest.

ME3 is still a long way off and no decisions regarding DRM have been made yet, nor would I expect them to get made for some time. That being said, the customer response to DRM used on past BioWare and other products will factor into that decision. If you have any doubts, just consider that the customer response to the DRM used on ME1 (PC) influenced the DRM decision on ME2 (PC).

Don M

So, we might just see the standard disc check from Dragon Age: Origins and Mass Effect 2.

Thank. Goodness.
If we saw Ubisoft's BS I'd end up boycotting BioWare just like I'm boycotting Ubisoft. That wouldn't be fun at all.

[Ecael]

ZtalkerRM wrote...

Ecael wrote...
Isn't Assassin's Creed 2 a single-player game, though?

Quite ironic isn't it? But I suspect single player games are the ones pirated the most....

Wait...

So if you buy the game, you have to be online all the time to play it...

But if you pirate the game and crack it, you can play it whenever you want, regardless of internet?