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[Ulicus]

So does anyone else envision Kefka (FFIII/VI) when they think of the Mad Emperor Reville? Maybe it's just a sign of my utter lack of imagination, but I can't get the thought of him calling Vanedrin a "son of a submariner" out of my mind....

Modifié par Ulicus, 15 juillet 2010 - 12:40 .

[Kimarous]

I have to wonder... if Kirkwall was originally a Tevinter settlement, has it ALWAYS been known as Kirkwall? Somehow I get the impression it was renamed to something more local after the Imperium got booted out. Minrathous, Ostagar, Kirkwall... it has a slight "Aerith and Bob" flavour to it.

[Helena Tylena]

JoePinasi1989 wrote...

Helena Tylena wrote...

A demon of pride would, I believe, be powerful enough to use blood magic on a large enough scale to 'make people drop to their knees' when you walk by.

Yeah, but why would a demon of pride want to overthrow the Tevinter Imperium?! Wouldn't it want to RULE the Imperium instead?

Who's to say that wasn't the ultimate plan? You don't overthrow empires. You overthrow governments of empires. When that happens you either take over or let the whole thing collapse.
We may never know, as Andraste's body was burned at the stake before that could happen, and her heart pierced before THAT happened.

Either it's that, or I'd like to hear a really good theory on why a plain mortal mage, no matter how powerful, would have a body that turns into all-curing ashes when burned.
Because, Maker, spirits, demons or mages aside, the ashes work.

[fanman72]

How much of the religious schism writing was influenced by the protestant/catholic split in europe several hundred years ago?

[Addai]

fanman72 wrote...

How much of the religious schism writing was influenced by the protestant/catholic split in europe several hundred years ago?

As stated upthread, it sounds to me more like the Orthodox-Catholic schism, at least vaguely.  I recall that Tevinter was based on the Byzantine Empire.

[Fishy]

It's funny though .You realize how much people need to see something to believe it.Even in a fantasy setting .Believing into the maker it's very hard.Yet you have walking demon , monster,dragon and magery .But the maker that just a fable for children .. Just because he don't show up and cut the ocean in half.

-Look at my POWAHHHH!

Personnaly if i were the mightest ,brightest entity in the universe.I would not give a fook about those puny human somewhere in the universe.

Yet old god are probably just intelligent dragon.People bow down to power but never bow down to weakness or absense.It's the human nature.Just look what happenned to Jesus.People never learn.

Modifié par Suprez30, 15 juillet 2010 - 01:27 .

[Ulicus]

Addai67 wrote...

fanman72 wrote...

How much of the religious schism writing was influenced by the protestant/catholic split in europe several hundred years ago?

As stated upthread, it sounds to me more like the Orthodox-Catholic schism, at least vaguely.  I recall that Tevinter was based on the Byzantine Empire.

Indeed. I'd go with that comparison over the Reformation: that analogue will occur in a later Age.

[StreetlightEagle]

Addai67 wrote...

fanman72 wrote...

How much of the religious schism writing was influenced by the protestant/catholic split in europe several hundred years ago?

As stated upthread, it sounds to me more like the Orthodox-Catholic schism, at least vaguely.  I recall that Tevinter was based on the Byzantine Empire.

Ah well personally I see a slight Muslim/Christianity division based on the different ways they view Andraste and the numerous Exalted Marches to Tevinter. It's good to see the range of influences coming together.

[David Gaider]

Kimarous wrote...
I have to wonder... if Kirkwall was originally a Tevinter settlement, has it ALWAYS been known as Kirkwall? Somehow I get the impression it was renamed to something more local after the Imperium got booted out. Minrathous, Ostagar, Kirkwall... it has a slight "Aerith and Bob" flavour to it.

You are correct-- it had a different name when it was part of the Imperium, a name that was discarded after the slave rebellion (who hated the Imperium for probably understandable reasons). The current name refers to the massive black cliffs that border the waking sea, atop which the fortress was originally built. You'll no doubt see this when we start putting out more concept art/screenshots.

[Loc'n'lol]

David Gaider wrote...

You are correct-- it had a different name when it was part of the Imperium, a name that was discarded after the slave rebellion (who hated the Imperium for probably understandable reasons). The current name refers to the massive black cliffs that border the waking sea, atop which the fortress was originally built. You'll no doubt see this when we start putting out more concept art/screenshots.

Is Kirkwall a walled city like Denerim, or more like Redcliffe, a big village with a castle ? (what little info we had so far made me think of #1, but this suggests #2, unless there is both a remote fortress and a walled city ?)
And how does it compare to both in terms of inhabitants ?

Modifié par _Loc_N_lol_, 15 juillet 2010 - 02:06 .

[Riona45]

Ulicus wrote...
Indeed. The Ferelden Templars always seemed a bit cuddly. Well, maybe not Cullen, but everyone still WANTED to cuddle him for some reason....

Cullen didn't start off crazy--if you play the mage origin as a female there is a subplot where he has a crush on you.  That's enough for him to be, in the minds of many, a potential love interest, in fan fiction if nowhere else.

I do agree that the information about the Kirkwall templars make the Ferelden templars look like a bunch of knights in shining armor.  What's funny is that up until now, some people where thinking that mages in Kirkwall had a lot more freedom than in Ferelden.

[Foolsfolly]

KendallX23 wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

stevej713 wrote...

Some people accuse it of being unoriginal, but I rather like the real-world allusions in Dragon Age lore. For example, the Great Schism between Tevinter and Orlais and the Exalted March is quite similar to the schism between the Catholic and Orthodox churches and the Fourth Crusade.

The difference in DA I think is that the schism is because of magic. The Tevinters are rather fond of magic so I assume their Priests are also mages. The Chantry doesn't have mages in their ranks. This also is addressed in the Tevinter version of Andraste which says she was a powerful mage, and the Chantry probably says she is wasn't.

            i am starting to think too that Andraste was a mage....maybe DA2 will offer some answers

If you bring Ogrhen with you to Andraste's Ashes he remarks how the whole chamber is full of lyrium. I had thought that it was simply a coincidence that they placed her remains in a lyrium mine....but if she was a mage and if there was never a Maker than that means her followers may have known about the lyrium and decided to place her some place where she would seem to still have magical powers making her legend and their religion last.

I'm beginning to love the idea of this game more than the first game.

Also, I SO want to see more of the qunari.

[Lucy Glitter]

 So, looks like this now for Arl Foreshadow:

• Lost countenance: Ferelden to Orlesian Phrase Book-Must not offend the potential landlords
  
• Raising Spirits: Offsprings and the Fade-Terrible two's indeed!
  
• Forest Fall: Truth and Legend in the Search for Arlathan-Survivors? poppycock!
  
• The Origin of Theses: Knowing more than Everyone without Looking Like a Jackass-Never get the time to read this. Maybe there's a stage play?

Looks like they will cover Arlathan as well. 

AWESOME. 

Modifié par Lucy_Glitter, 15 juillet 2010 - 03:16 .

[HighMoon]

Did I miss something? When on EARTH was it revealed that Hawke had a sister, let alone that she was a mage?!

[SDNcN]

Golden-Rose wrote...

Did I miss something? When on EARTH was it revealed that Hawke had a sister, let alone that she was a mage?!

http://social.biowar...1/index/3124740

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

 So, looks like this now for Arl Foreshadow:

• Lost countenance: Ferelden to Orlesian Phrase Book-Must not offend the potential landlords
  
• Raising Spirits: Offsprings and the Fade-Terrible two's indeed!
  
• Forest Fall: Truth and Legend in the Search for Arlathan-Survivors? poppycock!
  
• The Origin of Theses: Knowing more than Everyone without Looking Like a Jackass-Never get the time to read this. Maybe there's a stage play?

Looks like they will cover Arlathan as well. 

AWESOME. 

What do the first two correspond to?

[Deviija]

Golden-Rose wrote...

Did I miss something? When on EARTH was it revealed that Hawke had a sister, let alone that she was a mage?!

Her name is Bethany.  She supports you with fire magic.  Mage.  Your PC's sister. 

[HighMoon]

Thanks for the info guys. This could be very interesting... so long as she doesn't get killed off too early.

[SDNcN]

Shinian2 wrote...

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

 So, looks like this now for Arl Foreshadow:

• Lost countenance: Ferelden to Orlesian Phrase Book-Must not offend the potential landlords
  
• Raising Spirits: Offsprings and the Fade-Terrible two's indeed!
  
• Forest Fall: Truth and Legend in the Search for Arlathan-Survivors? poppycock!
  
  The Origin of Theses: Knowing more than Everyone without Looking Like a Jackass-Never get the time to read this. Maybe there's a stage play?

Looks like they will cover Arlathan as well. 

AWESOME. 

What do the first two correspond to?

In Awakening it was possible to play as an Orlesian Warden who became the Arl (landlord) of Amaranthine.  I don't know about the second one. Maybe Lucy means the DA:2 character and his/her sister are the "Terrible Twos"?

Modifié par SDNcN, 15 juillet 2010 - 04:03 .

[Lucy Glitter]

Shinian2 wrote...

What do the first two correspond to?

First is Awakening. "Potential landlord" is the option to be an Orlesian Grey Warden.
Second is DA2. Most probably. Terrible Two is the Fade and the Old God Child.

[Gaxhung]

This part is a little strange although dramatic. Mafareth is Andraste's husband, and God fell in love with Andraste, who again, is Mafareth's wife. Does this not make the Maker sort of an adulterer or something? Sure they didn't have sex, but the Maker was having an emotional affair with Andraste! ... admitedly its kinda hawt.

But if I were in Mafareth's shoes, I would just cede to this "notorious" G.O.D. Oh no hes all upset and jealous and betrays her, sighs at Mafareth. I suppose he was like, "OH you like GOD so much?! Huh huh? Here DIE and go meet your precious god!!"

[KendallX23]

Gaxhung wrote...

This part is a little strange although dramatic. Mafareth is Andraste's husband, and God fell in love with Andraste, who again, is Mafareth's wife. Does this not make the Maker sort of an adulterer or something? Sure they didn't have sex, but the Maker was having an emotional affair with Andraste! ... admitedly its kinda hawt.

But if I were in Mafareth's shoes, I would just cede to this "notorious" G.O.D. Oh no hes all upset and jealous and betrays her, sighs at Mafareth. I suppose he was like, "OH you like GOD so much?! Huh huh? Here DIE and go meet your precious god!!"

        right...and u compare the Maker with a puny mortal ?
      besides...this is all Chantry propaganda...but the temple in ahven makes it pretty clear that something like this actually happened...

[Riona45]

KendallX23 wrote...

        right...and u compare the Maker with a puny mortal ?
      besides...this is all Chantry propaganda...but the temple in ahven makes it pretty clear that something like this actually happened...

I'm not sure about that.  If you're talking about the spririts in the temple, I never took it that they're there to give you an accurate accounting of historical events, or that they are literally the spirits of real people.  I met "Jowan" at the end, even though there was no indication in the game that Jowan was deceased at that point.

[Spawny]

Awesome! thanks for the link. Now I have had my fill of lore

DA2 is getting more exciting to me now knowing Kirkwall's history.