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elearon1 wrote...
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Dragon Age is basically a medieval setting with modern societal views.  For example, in the game, homosexuality is rare but practically accepted.  Also, religion is handled with a sceptical view by several main characters.  I'm not saying there's anything wrong with those previous statements, but it's no surprise that incest is not present in the setting.

I do agree with you, however, that incest was very common among the nobility.  Just like at Charles V.  He was probably the ugliest man ever and had several defects.

Modifié par stevej713, 14 juillet 2010 - 09:46 .


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Heavenblade wrote...

Nope. You said incest causes mutations. I said that sleeping with your sister won't do so, and the odds of such mutations occuring in children is overblown to a wild degree by people who watch way too much television and film.

Mutant freaks from the deep south might make entertaining television, but such things are exceedingly rare and require COUNTLESS GENERATIONS of inbreeding.


Do you honestly think I was saying that having sex leads to the Texas Chainsaw Massacre, or are you just a troll? 

Modifié par Bryy_Miller, 14 juillet 2010 - 09:45 .


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David Gaider said its not happening, we can't force him to take that back. I say let it die. It'd add immersion, it'd be a good RP experience but its sick and would get Bioware alot of flak.

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Khayness wrote...

filaminstrel wrote...

Merely reproductively speaking incest is no worse than homosexuality if you simply don't have kids.


Love between two men is the true love, love with a woman is a false love because it's only for the sake of giving birth to a child! :wizard:

I told you The Symposium is disturbing.


Bisexuals trump everyone. 

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DanteCousland

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Pansexuals trump everyone ;)

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The fact that this is ten pages log is utterly baffling and frightens me a great deal.



You people are ten kinds of ****ed up.

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DanteCousland wrote...

Pansexuals trump everyone ;)

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>>And I feel I must reiterate that I recognize the issue is not so simple.<<



Agreed. The "incest causes mutations" argument is usually one used by people when they can't think of anything new to add to the discussion. (not an attack on those people who have done so thus far - I did say *usually*) The subject matter is far more complex on a social, historical and cultural level than science would boil it down to.



It always bothers me when the media uses the "it's considered taboo now" argument to justify ignoring or condemning historically accurate events. It is like people who complain they won't read anything American prior to the 1930s because people used racial terminology ... history doesn't go away because you don't like it and you cannot hold works from historical figures up to contemporary social standards. This *should* go for depictions of historical periods in media as well.


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-Walks in-

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The fact that this thread as gone up to 10 pags long in about two hours is just a tad creepy...

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i am not sure whether to laugh or be disturbed, there is no way they could put incest into this game! t would be surprised if it even gets a rating from the esrb with incest on top of everything else. maybe she will have a relationship with someone else, and hawke can encourage or destroy that, but no incest

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This is not going to happen, and the fact that it's even being requested makes me wonder.


Wonder about...

The stability of the game players?

Ya, look at Dragon Age Nexus to see that.

Modifié par reddragon567, 14 juillet 2010 - 09:52 .


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filaminstrel wrote...

Merely reproductively speaking incest is no worse than homosexuality if you simply don't have kids.

But the issue is a lot more complex to be done any sort of justice by only looking at it from a reproductive standpoint.


There is a bond of trust between siblings which would be betrayed by sexual approaches.  I'm amazed this has to be pointed out.

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Chaia wrote...

The fact that this thread as gone up to 10 pags long in about two hours is just a tad creepy...


If it were creepy to talk about other problems in the world openly, where would we be?

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elearon1 wrote...

>>And I feel I must reiterate that I recognize the issue is not so simple.

Agreed. The "incest causes mutations" argument is usually one used by people when they can't think of anything new to add to the discussion. 


Not really. I mean, we're in a society that has a show called Big Love on TV. We're progressive, we're just not stupid. It's a wonderfully huge cop-out to say that people who boil an issue down to its roots are stupid. 

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elearon1 wrote...
Agreed. The "incest causes mutations" argument is usually one used by people when they can't think of anything new to add to the discussion. (not an attack on those people who have done so thus far - I did say *usually*) The subject matter is far more complex on a social, historical and cultural level than science would boil it down to.

It always bothers me when the media uses the "it's considered taboo now" argument to justify ignoring or condemning historically accurate events. It is like people who complain they won't read anything American prior to the 1930s because people used racial terminology ... history doesn't go away because you don't like it and you cannot hold works from historical figures up to contemporary social standards. This *should* go for depictions of historical periods in media as well.

You, sir, are an utter genius.

What I find really odd is why is incest (or hints towards an incestuous relationship) seen as an acceptable topic in media such as books and film, but not in games? Is it because very few "big hit" titles have confronted it, or what?

Love, between two consenting adults, is a beautiful thing that should be cherished. Why should it matter who those two people are, whether brother/sister, two homosexual people, a man and a woman or otherwise? Why is it acceptable, in a game, to have a relationship between a Dwarf and a Human, but not between (example) two siblings?

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Amyntas wrote...

filaminstrel wrote...

Merely reproductively speaking incest is no worse than homosexuality if you simply don't have kids.

But the issue is a lot more complex to be done any sort of justice by only looking at it from a reproductive standpoint.


There is a bond of trust between siblings which would be betrayed by sexual approaches.  I'm amazed this has to be pointed out.


Well, you're amazed at nothing then, because that's exactly the sort of argument my second statement was meant to acknowledge...

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David Gaider

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Enough. Not the place for this discussion.

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DanteCousland wrote...

David Gaider said its not happening, we can't force him to take that back. I say let it die. It'd add immersion, it'd be a good RP experience but its sick and would get Bioware alot of flak.


While true, the discussions in this thread may cause them to reconsider some of their outright dismissal of this and similar ideas.  It might make them consider putting something on the subject in as a side storyline in an adventure ... might let them realize that not everyone is going to react violently and ignorantly to the concept.  Anytime you can encourage media to push their boundaries, even a centimeter, it is worth trying.  

That said, if this at any point devolves into an all out flamefest I encourage it being closed. (Thankfully people have been mature enough to avoid falling victims to flamers thus far and the actual discussions have had content.)