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[Addai]

@Narreneth, you're putting words in my mouth, but in even talking to you I broke my cardinal rule not to respond to posters who can't carry on a civil conversation.  So we're done.  It was my mistake for not even noticing that it was you making the "Mario" comment, or recalling who you were.  Thanks for the reminder.

[TheSimsMaster]

I don't like how the dialog options are labeled by good/bad/neutral. Morality is not as black and white as most people make it out to be.

[Narreneth]

Addai67 wrote...

@Narreneth, you're putting words in my mouth, but in even talking to you I broke my cardinal rule not to respond to posters who can't carry on a civil conversation.  So we're done.  It was my mistake for not even noticing that it was you making the "Mario" comment, or recalling who you were.  Thanks for the reminder.

I have civil conversations with virtually everyone I talk to.  I tried with you as well.  You are equally (if not more so) inept at the civility thing.  I'd be glad to have a civil conversation with you if you'd drop the "everyone is stupid except for me" approach you've been taking where I've crossed your path.

[Narreneth]

TheSimsMaster wrote...

I don't like how the dialog options are labeled by good/bad/neutral. Morality is not as black and white as most people make it out to be.

That isn't what they're doing with this one.  The labels are going to be relevant to the tone of the response.  So it's the emotional attachment, rather than the moral attachment to the line.

[DragonOfWhiteThunder]

In Exile wrote...

RevilFox wrote...
To be fair, the Devs talked about this being an issue and addressed it in ME2. In ME2, there is no point where two different choices cause the same words to come out of Shepards mouth. Any time this might be the case, there are no conversation options.

Also to be fair, a lot of people pointed to that last sentance as one of the things that Bioware was doing to "kill RP".

But I'm not complaining about Shepard saying the same thing. I'm complaining about the set-up. Shepard is only saying the same thing so the CSEC Chief can get his "That's what worries me" line off. That's the point of the scene. It's a trap for the player, and it comes out of the writing. They do this in DA:O too when Alistair gets to be a smart-ass off things you say but you can't be snippy back.

Slightly off-topic (and I agree with your point), but I never felt that way talking to Alistair, I viewed the dialogue between my character and him as back-and-forth banter, rather than being railroaded into being "straight man" for his jokes. For example, when he brings up the Templar uniform, I read "Oh really? I don't believe I've ever seen you wearing it." as being a teasing way of calling him out on it rather than being played totally straight. "You should have been a mage then." even moreso.


Oh, right, I suppose I really ought to add something on-topic here. After having played through Leliana's Song (which seemed to be a test of sorts for the new dialogue system), I never felt that Leliana's response was out of line with the paraphrased choice I selected. Maybe I just didn't hit the choices that were out of line with the paraphrasing. But with choices like in that, along with the "intent" icon, I don't feel that we have anything to worry about.

And the problem wasn't something unique to the wheel either. I chose a dialogue option in the Paragon of Her Kind quest that I thought would let me hear out Branka's side of the story and allow me to try to prove to Oghren that we were doing what needed to be done, but it instead caused the other guy to freak out and attack - not what I had intended to do at all, I was on his side.

Modifié par DragonOfWhiteThunder, 15 juillet 2010 - 07:44 .

[AlanC9]

But there are a couple of cases where a line to Alistair that I read as banter was interpreted by the game as an outright insult. And there are more lines in Wynne's convo that I honestly don't know about, because I didn't want to pick them and insult her by accident.

[joriandrake]

ookay, can anyone confirm if this is fake or not?

triggerhappy456 wrote...

marquiseondore wrote...

I'm going to assume she's younger than Hawke

i dont think hawke looks that bad in this screesnhot
then again, i always liked the default shepard, since any custom characters by me looked like fish
if she doesnt change, then so be it, i will go default 

... the main guy looks like Shepard with a different tan, hair, and a beard

also, the dialogue is totally Mass Effect, which is totally bad

[AlanC9]

Looks like an accidental cross-post, unless the forum's glitching again.

[Sleepy Mind]

joriandrake wrote...

ookay, can anyone confirm if this is fake or not?

*pic snip*

... the main guy looks like Shepard with a different tan, hair, and a beard

also, the dialogue is totally Mass Effect, which is totally bad

Actually he looks more like your current avatar then default Shep...

[joriandrake]

Sleepy Mind wrote...

joriandrake wrote...

ookay, can anyone confirm if this is fake or not?

*pic snip*

... the main guy looks like Shepard with a different tan, hair, and a beard

also, the dialogue is totally Mass Effect, which is totally bad

Actually he looks more like your current avatar then default Shep...

nah, for me Hawke looks like Shepard bonse structure mixed with some spartan body hair from 300

Modifié par joriandrake, 15 juillet 2010 - 09:18 .

[1varangian]

I don't think the wheel is to blame, really. You could have 4 complete replies written down in DA and still none of them would necessarily be what you wanted to say. Your options are limited nonetheless, be it a dialogue wheel, list or a pyramid or however they decide to arrange the limited number of pre-written replies.

[Mecha Tengu]

Its either the conversation wheel, DAO dialogue, or you typing your responses while microsoft Sam voices Hawke

[Azint]

I still felt that Mass Effect 2 was an improvement about this. The dialogue captioned actually did resonate with the dialogue spoken, usually.

[Estel78]

joriandrake wrote...

ookay, can anyone confirm if this is fake or not?

triggerhappy456 wrote...

marquiseondore wrote...

I'm going to assume she's younger than Hawke

i dont think hawke looks that bad in this screesnhot
then again, i always liked the default shepard, since any custom characters by me looked like fish
if she doesnt change, then so be it, i will go default 

... the main guy looks like Shepard with a different tan, hair, and a beard

also, the dialogue is totally Mass Effect, which is totally bad

Now that looks pretty slick. Which thread is this post from? Any idea if there are more of these scans anywhere?

And no, Hawke doesn't look anything like Shepard.

[Narreneth]

He doesn't look anything like Shepard. Don't be crazy.



That said, I don't like the default Shepard. I also don't like the default Hawke. Doesn't matter, though, because they're customizable.

[Demx]

So we get a red fist for hostility. What other emoticons do you think we'll get? Perhaps a heart for romance and a smiley face for all those happy phrases.

[Kohaku]

Siradix wrote...

So we get a red fist for hostility. What other emoticons do you think we'll get? Perhaps a heart for romance and a smiley face for all those happy phrases.

That would be cute actually.

A nice broken, bleeding heart with an arrow though it for ending the relationship.

[Rovay]

Siradix wrote...

So we get a red fist for hostility. What other emoticons do you think we'll get? Perhaps a heart for romance and a smiley face for all those happy phrases.

Personaly, I think Sheploo's pervert face would be more fitting for romance emoticons.

[Demx]

Rovay wrote...

Siradix wrote...

So we get a red fist for hostility. What other emoticons do you think we'll get? Perhaps a heart for romance and a smiley face for all those happy phrases.

Personaly, I think Sheploo's pervert face would be more fitting for romance emoticons.

Well, you don't need to draw his face like that just take a photo.

http://api.photoshop...72182e083ee97dd

[Eledran]

Is it confirmed DA2 will be using the conversation wheel? It's not because the main character is voiced that you have to use that system.

I don't dislike it anyway, it works pretty well for ME; I only hope there are plenty of options, I find 3 options a bit too limiting in most cases.

[AlanC9]

See the pic above.

Edit: Two pics above.

Modifié par AlanC9, 15 juillet 2010 - 10:54 .

[soteria]

My one concern about the wheel is if the little icon will imply consequences rather than just intent. For example, maybe one of the dialogue options looks like you're going to say something fairly reasonable, and the icon indicates a fight will start if you pick it. That would be off-putting.

[Narreneth]

soteria wrote...

My one concern about the wheel is if the little icon will imply consequences rather than just intent. For example, maybe one of the dialogue options looks like you're going to say something fairly reasonable, and the icon indicates a fight will start if you pick it. That would be off-putting.

There will be an explanation for what the emblems mean, you won't be stabbing in the dark.  And since different people react differently to different situations, it is entirely possible that you try being nice to someone and get attacked.  That's what makes the world feel fun and diverse.  If everytime you were diplomatic you talk your way out of things there would be no point to the game.

[soteria]

You missed my point. Ideally, yes, that's how it will work. We'll see.

[Narreneth]

soteria wrote...

You missed my point. Ideally, yes, that's how it will work. We'll see.

No, I didn't miss your point.  That's why I mentioned there would be an explanation of the emblems in game.

You should always assume your responses will have consequences though.  That's how these games tend to play out.