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[Onyx Jaguar]

Modifié par Onyx Jaguar, 15 juillet 2010 - 03:51 .

[Azint]

Unlike Mass Effect, the Dragon Age story does not revolve around the player character.

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

Kalfear wrote...

Shinian2 wrote...

SO he loved DAO so much that the idea of playing a sequel that doest contain his warden is so horrible that he has to uninstall DAO?

Wow, sad to say, but the boy needs some councelling.

Or perhaps he liked DA:O?

Lets use deadwood as a example.

I LOVED the show DEADWOOD and watched the first 3 seasons faithfully but it had 1 more season to go but was cancelled

I cant watch Deadwood and enjoy it because I know I dont get the closure I wanted from the story!
Now I dont throw out my DVDs but I also dont watch them!
Its exactly the same thing!

You "posters" that want to jump all over anyone that doesnt think like you should really just shut up already and quit acting all superior and prissy!
Yes the OP over reacting but thats his right because he feels (and I agree with him on this) that DA:O story is not finished or complete.
In his case, that ruins the franchise for him.

Its really not that hard to understand unless your goal is to just troll and bad mouth people, in which case carry on, your doing a mighty fine job!

Sorry if I offended you, but I notice you do admit he's overreacting.

Who says there won't ever be closure? We don't know what happens in DA2 yet, never mind DA3 and on.

It was well known from before release that we may not be playing the same character in every Dragon Age game.

[Outamyhead]

Since this is a thread for asking Mr Gaider questions, will there be any more books relating to Dragon Age?



I had read both the Stolen Throne and The Calling, and enjoyed them so much.

[Kalfear]

Shinian2 wrote...

Kalfear wrote...

Shinian2 wrote...

SO he loved DAO so much that the idea of playing a sequel that doest contain his warden is so horrible that he has to uninstall DAO?

Wow, sad to say, but the boy needs some councelling.

Or perhaps he liked DA:O?

Lets use deadwood as a example.

I LOVED the show DEADWOOD and watched the first 3 seasons faithfully but it had 1 more season to go but was cancelled

I cant watch Deadwood and enjoy it because I know I dont get the closure I wanted from the story!
Now I dont throw out my DVDs but I also dont watch them!
Its exactly the same thing!

You "posters" that want to jump all over anyone that doesnt think like you should really just shut up already and quit acting all superior and prissy!
Yes the OP over reacting but thats his right because he feels (and I agree with him on this) that DA:O story is not finished or complete.
In his case, that ruins the franchise for him.

Its really not that hard to understand unless your goal is to just troll and bad mouth people, in which case carry on, your doing a mighty fine job!

Sorry if I offended you, but I notice you do admit he's overreacting.

Who says there won't ever be closure? We don't know what happens in DA2 yet, never mind DA3 and on.

It was well known from before release that we may not be playing the same character in every Dragon Age game.

Actually David said so, I just read it in anouther thread on this front page.

He admits for many of us that story is not complete but says for the moment the Wardens story is over and done, hes gone off into the sunset to chase after Morrigan or what ever. (obviously paraphrased)

So yes, the OP over reacting with the dramatics of burning his stuff but behind the act is a solid fact (and the part I agree with) is the story is not finished.
If David or someone else would just come out and say, we are going to come back and finish this at a later point (heck even if its not true truth be told), that would calm alot of people who are connected and passionate about their DA:O. They hint they might but say nothing for sure and thats whats driveing people nuts!

Personally im a little better now after finally finishing Awakening. I feel I have 90% closure (Morrigan and no Griffon to ride being the two big issues) now. But to finish 1 play through I had to put up with a insane amount of game crashs so im not surprised many might not have same feeling of closure as im sure alot quit before finishing from fustration if they crashing even half as often as I was.

Im not offended, im just tired of coming on these forums, seeing people write how much they loved and appreciated DA:O and dont want it to end be trolled, attacked, insulted, and abbused. Not saying you did all this, you just said he needed councelling. But there is a whole hoarde of mostly ME2 posters (I recognize many of the names from the ME2 forum where they did their attack routine there as well) coming here doing that and well, its gotten old (to me).
Last time I looked this was the Bioware forum and the very place people should go if they want any chance of being heard.

Whats so bad about that? No where is it written you have to fall all over yourself thanking David everytime he replies (like we see others do). No where does it say you have to blindly follow and agree with everything Bioware does (Like some here do). Just follow the rules and post your concerns/ideas.

You know, I actually have PM's from posters saying thanks and they like my posts but they to scared to say so on the forums because they think they will get attacked? Doesnt that strike you as just being wrong on so many levels?

Sorry, im grumpy, I probably over reacted from your one comment but its a combination of everyones.

The kid asked David Gaider a question, David answered honestly (I hope), the kid said good bye (lost sale for Bioware but thats the kids option if thats the route he wants to take). Thats really all there was to their exchange! The other nonsense isnt needed IMO.

[StingingVelvet]

David Gaider wrote...

2) You will need to wait and see what (and if anything) happens with Morrigan in the future. Insofar as DA2 is concerned, the Warden's story is done. I'm sorry if that upsets you, but that's simply the way it is.

That's honestly the way it should be... it's funny how Bioware's own innovations with Mass Effect have made people think RPGs need to have the same character in the sequels.  It's rather rare, really.

[NKKKK]

StingingVelvet wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

2) You will need to wait and see what (and if anything) happens with Morrigan in the future. Insofar as DA2 is concerned, the Warden's story is done. I'm sorry if that upsets you, but that's simply the way it is.

That's honestly the way it should be... it's funny how Bioware's own innovations with Mass Effect have made people think RPGs need to have the same character in the sequels.  It's rather rare, really.

He said as far as DA2 is concerned.

[dheer]

StingingVelvet wrote...
That's honestly the way it should be... it's funny how Bioware's own innovations with Mass Effect have made people think RPGs need to have the same character in the sequels.  It's rather rare, really.

We played the same character from Baldur's gate through Tales of the Sword Coast, Baldur's Gate II and Throne of Bhaal. Mass Effect really wasn't some amazing breakthrough on that front.

Hoping to continue an epic tale like that in the spiritual successor to that series is not some crazy idea. I understand they took a different direction but that doesn't mean I don't get to be disappointed.

Modifié par dheer, 15 juillet 2010 - 05:13 .

[S8G Shadow]

Dont you think you guys are going a bit too far, this is a forum where people express civil views about common ideas. :/ Maks you flamers look just as bad pick'n on him.

[Brockololly]

dheer wrote...

StingingVelvet wrote...
That's honestly the way it should be... it's funny how Bioware's own innovations with Mass Effect have made people think RPGs need to have the same character in the sequels.  It's rather rare, really.

We played the same character from Baldur's gate through Tales of the Sword Coast, Baldur's Gate II and Throne of Bhaal. Mass Effect really wasn't some amazing breakthrough on that front.

Hoping to continue an epic tale like that in the spiritual successor to that series is not some crazy idea. I understand they took a different direction but that doesn't mean I don't get to be disappointed.

Exactly- for the US Wardens, they've got their closure. But the DR and all of its consequences for Morrigan and the Warden are surely worth exploring down the road. The whole notion of a Warden ending a Blight without dying while creating a baby with the soul of an Old God with a mysterious shapeshifting apostate sounds like something that could have big ramifications in Thedas.

If anything, the DR is the beginning to a new story, not an ending.

[Davasar]

Mr. Gaider has already answered this question.



If you feel let down or what have you, then DA2 is probably not the game for you as it wasnt aimed at selling to you in the first place judging by the disappointment you feel at the lack of things that made the game targeted to you in the first place (i.e. DAO).



So dont buy DA2 then. Problem solved.





I am not trying to be mean, just finding this sort of closure helps.

[StingingVelvet]

dheer wrote...

StingingVelvet wrote...
That's honestly the way it should be... it's funny how Bioware's own innovations with Mass Effect have made people think RPGs need to have the same character in the sequels.  It's rather rare, really.

We played the same character from Baldur's gate through Tales of the Sword Coast, Baldur's Gate II and Throne of Bhaal. Mass Effect really wasn't some amazing breakthrough on that front.

Hoping to continue an epic tale like that in the spiritual successor to that series is not some crazy idea. I understand they took a different direction but that doesn't mean I don't get to be disappointed.

I meant Mass Effect 2 for the carrying over of saves thing.  You are right of course that other RPG sequels have involved the same character, but still it's not like it's a required thing.  Fallout, Elder Scrolls, Final Fantasy, etc... all of them move on and tell a different tale.

Modifié par StingingVelvet, 15 juillet 2010 - 05:47 .

[FieryDove]

Outamyhead wrote...

Since this is a thread for asking Mr Gaider questions, will there be any more books relating to Dragon Age?

I had read both the Stolen Throne and The Calling, and enjoyed them so much.

I would really like to know this as well.

Must have more books!

[Kalfear]

FieryDove wrote...

Outamyhead wrote...

Since this is a thread for asking Mr Gaider questions, will there be any more books relating to Dragon Age?

I had read both the Stolen Throne and The Calling, and enjoyed them so much.

I would really like to know this as well.

Must have more books!

agree

I enjoyed the first two

[WilliamShatner]

David Gaider wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...
If I were to ask Mr. Gaider anything, it would be this:

"For what profit is it to a Hawke if he rises to power, but loses the ability to choose his race?" Transfigurations 16:26, I believe.

"Dwell not on the first pebble, when the mountain remains unclimbed." Canticle of Platitudes 6:66

"This ****ing sucks!" Kurt Russell, Tango & Cash.

[Elhanan]

As long as this thread is already here, I am curious as to how David integrates changes in a world setting that existed in his imagination for some time? I mean for instance, that if one knows the full details of the Grey Wardens, how do you work with later changes that are made as part of a team?

And congrats on the win!

[UndercoverDoctor]

David Gaider wrote...

thenemesis77 wrote...
All I would ask.....why did you let all of the timeline and this new epic story not contain our Warden....thats all I ask, I need to know this and may never know, If I get to kind of  reply from you, then I know it's over and I need to take all of the stuff I bought from BioWare out of the system of mine, bash me call me a **** or not having faith.........I had faith in the Warden I made, not the DA world. So just let me know, David and I will leave thsi frorum as you would like and I will not return. I really need to know this.  I know alot of you that do feel this way, won't speak up, it's ok.

1) Repeatedly making threads on the subject will not make Morrigan come back to your Warden sooner.

2) You will need to wait and see what (and if anything) happens with Morrigan in the future. Insofar as DA2 is concerned, the Warden's story is done. I'm sorry if that upsets you, but that's simply the way it is.

I smiled.

[Leonia]

Maybe they are leaving the Warden story open-ended for us to choose our own endings? Or at least that is what I intend to do with my fanfiction writing, don't know about the rest of you guys

No matter how Bioware does it, they could never write a satisfactory ending to Origins that would appease everyone. If you really, really need closure, there's always the DA Tool Kit to help you make your own ending (and share it with others) or the ability to write fanfiction, draw some fanart, make a costume, whatever it is you need to do to conclude YOUR personal character's story.

I feel like the players are being very selfish here in their demands of a conclusion that suits their personal desire, there is more to Thedas than just Grey Wardens and darkspawn after all. This is Bioware's game, their story, we're here to enjoy the ride not to tell dictate how they should appease us.

Do you get angry when you read a novel series and your favourite character's story isn't concluded properly or doesn't receive the conclusion that you think they should have had? Do you write letters of complaint to the author demanding that they change it to suit your needs? What about when they don't tie up loose ends in a TV show because the next series got cancelled?

Right, well, similar situation here. The Warden's story is only finished if you choose to make an ending for them. Maybe in the future they will come back to us as a codex entry or make a cameo in an upcoming DA game/DLC, but really, if you are THAT concerned about the personal ending of a character you created.. then write it (and share with the rest of us in the fanfiction forum if you want).

Modifié par leonia42, 15 juillet 2010 - 07:45 .

[Behindyounow]

There's no need to carry on playing as the Warden, because DA2 will more than likely not revolve around a Blight.

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

leonia42 wrote...

Maybe they are leaving the Warden story open-ended for us to choose our own endings? Or at least that is what I intend to do with my fanfiction writing, don't know about the rest of you guys

No matter how Bioware does it, they could never write a satisfactory ending to Origins that would appease everyone. If you really, really need closure, there's always the DA Tool Kit to help you make your own ending (and share it with others) or the ability to write fanfiction, draw some fanart, make a costume, whatever it is you need to do to conclude YOUR personal character's story.

I feel like the players are being very selfish here in their demands of a conclusion that suits their personal desire, there is more to Thedas than just Grey Wardens and darkspawn after all. This is Bioware's game, their story, we're here to enjoy the ride not to tell dictate how they should appease us.

Do you get angry when you read a novel series and your favourite character's story isn't concluded properly or doesn't receive the conclusion that you think they should have had? Do you write letters of complaint to the author demanding that they change it to suit your needs? What about when they don't tie up loose ends in a TV show because the next series got cancelled?

Right, well, similar situation here. The Warden's story is only finished if you choose to make an ending for them. Maybe in the future they will come back to us as a codex entry or make a cameo in an upcoming DA game/DLC, but really, if you are THAT concerned about the personal ending of a character you created.. then write it (and share with the rest of us in the fanfiction forum if you want).

^^^^ This.

I think the wardens story will be dealt with in a DA:O expansion or DLC. There is more coming for DA:O. DA2 is a different game in the same setting.

[MaxQuartiroli]

Shinian2 wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Maybe they are leaving the Warden story open-ended for us to choose our own endings? Or at least that is what I intend to do with my fanfiction writing, don't know about the rest of you guys

No matter how Bioware does it, they could never write a satisfactory ending to Origins that would appease everyone. If you really, really need closure, there's always the DA Tool Kit to help you make your own ending (and share it with others) or the ability to write fanfiction, draw some fanart, make a costume, whatever it is you need to do to conclude YOUR personal character's story.

I feel like the players are being very selfish here in their demands of a conclusion that suits their personal desire, there is more to Thedas than just Grey Wardens and darkspawn after all. This is Bioware's game, their story, we're here to enjoy the ride not to tell dictate how they should appease us.

Do you get angry when you read a novel series and your favourite character's story isn't concluded properly or doesn't receive the conclusion that you think they should have had? Do you write letters of complaint to the author demanding that they change it to suit your needs? What about when they don't tie up loose ends in a TV show because the next series got cancelled?

Right, well, similar situation here. The Warden's story is only finished if you choose to make an ending for them. Maybe in the future they will come back to us as a codex entry or make a cameo in an upcoming DA game/DLC, but really, if you are THAT concerned about the personal ending of a character you created.. then write it (and share with the rest of us in the fanfiction forum if you want).

^^^^ This.

I think the wardens story will be dealt with in a DA:O expansion or DLC. There is more coming for DA:O. DA2 is a different game in the same setting.

And don't forget this is their story.. If they decide that the destiny of the Warden is to disappear forever in the sunset they have the right to do it...
Like every writer has the right to do whatever he wants of his characters in the books he writes..

Modifié par MaxQuartiroli, 15 juillet 2010 - 11:09 .

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

Kalfear wrote...

Shinian2 wrote...

Kalfear wrote...

Shinian2 wrote...

SO he loved DAO so much that the idea of playing a sequel that doest contain his warden is so horrible that he has to uninstall DAO?

Wow, sad to say, but the boy needs some councelling.

Sorry if I offended you, but I notice you do admit he's overreacting.

Who says there won't ever be closure? We don't know what happens in DA2 yet, never mind DA3 and on.

It was well known from before release that we may not be playing the same character in every Dragon Age game.

Actually David said so, I just read it in anouther thread on this front page.

He admits for many of us that story is not complete but says for the moment the Wardens story is over and done, hes gone off into the sunset to chase after Morrigan or what ever. (obviously paraphrased)

So yes, the OP over reacting with the dramatics of burning his stuff but behind the act is a solid fact (and the part I agree with) is the story is not finished.
If David or someone else would just come out and say, we are going to come back and finish this at a later point (heck even if its not true truth be told), that would calm alot of people who are connected and passionate about their DA:O. They hint they might but say nothing for sure and thats whats driveing people nuts!

Personally im a little better now after finally finishing Awakening. I feel I have 90% closure (Morrigan and no Griffon to ride being the two big issues) now. But to finish 1 play through I had to put up with a insane amount of game crashs so im not surprised many might not have same feeling of closure as im sure alot quit before finishing from fustration if they crashing even half as often as I was.

Im not offended, im just tired of coming on these forums, seeing people write how much they loved and appreciated DA:O and dont want it to end be trolled, attacked, insulted, and abbused. Not saying you did all this, you just said he needed councelling. But there is a whole hoarde of mostly ME2 posters (I recognize many of the names from the ME2 forum where they did their attack routine there as well) coming here doing that and well, its gotten old (to me).
Last time I looked this was the Bioware forum and the very place people should go if they want any chance of being heard.

Whats so bad about that? No where is it written you have to fall all over yourself thanking David everytime he replies (like we see others do). No where does it say you have to blindly follow and agree with everything Bioware does (Like some here do). Just follow the rules and post your concerns/ideas.

You know, I actually have PM's from posters saying thanks and they like my posts but they to scared to say so on the forums because they think they will get attacked? Doesnt that strike you as just being wrong on so many levels?

Sorry, im grumpy, I probably over reacted from your one comment but its a combination of everyones.

The kid asked David Gaider a question, David answered honestly (I hope), the kid said good bye (lost sale for Bioware but thats the kids option if thats the route he wants to take). Thats really all there was to their exchange! The other nonsense isnt needed IMO.

I can understand where you are coming from, I'm a 'mature' player, lets say, and I see some of the posts on both sides of this topic and cringe.

I wasn't attacking or belittling the OP, I really do mean that he needs to get some help.

Someone else raised an excellent point. DId you ever play the Elder Scrolls games? Different PC each time. I'm sure there was something there left unsaid for that character too. Other games do this too.

I think that Bioware has left the wardens story incomplete so that they can use him/her in future expansions for DA:O. Same with Morrigans story, They have also said that her story isn't done.  I just think that they wll deal with it in DA:O not a new unrelated game in the franchise.

DA2 is Hawkes story. Period. DA3 might be the God Child story, who knows? If it is, however, you can bet on hordes of players complaining because they chose to sacrifice themselves (or Alistair, or Loghain) rather than doing the DR, just like they'd be complaining now if DA2 had been announced as being a continuation of the god childs story.

You see how it's impossible to please both groups right?

[MaxQuartiroli]

@Leonia42.. They should copy your post and put it into a sticky topic titled:



"Before posting here please read this !"