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[pitchblaq]

StingingVelvet wrote...

I meant Mass Effect 2 for the carrying over of saves thing.

The .hack games allow you to carry over everything about your character and party into the sequels.

[Jarcander]

Well, my Warder (in picture) doesn't really want another turn at saving the world. After scoring with the witch and hoarding immense amounts of gold and gear, he would simply retire somewhere in Orleisian, surrounded by girls with sexy accent.



I would like to see Alistair in DA2. I do believe he is drinking himself to death in a tavern somewhere. Also, it would be extremely amusing if Morr returned only to demand subsistence money for the kid.



So David... any chance of a Dragon Age: Origins endings parody for DA2 DLC?

[Leonia]

MaxQuartiroli wrote...

@Leonia42.. They should copy your post and put it into a sticky topic titled:

"Before posting here please read this !"

Ah thanks, that makes me feel warm and fuzzy. 

As for them continuing to release material for Origins, I am super excited about that! There are so many stories to follow in this wonderful world of Thedas. Bioware has basically given us a whole new fantasy playground to play with in their various games, books, comics, anime, tabletop, etc. It's kind of like we've been handed Middle-earth for the first time and been told "Have fun, create and build something exciting with this setting!"

The geek in me is more excited about the codex and lore reveals in DA 2 than the actual main plot

Modifié par leonia42, 15 juillet 2010 - 12:44 .

[StingingVelvet]

pitchblaq wrote...

StingingVelvet wrote...

I meant Mass Effect 2 for the carrying over of saves thing.

The .hack games allow you to carry over everything about your character and party into the sequels.

I have no idea what those are.

I don't want to be nit-picked to death here, seriously.  All I am saying is that having an RPG sequel move ahead without the same characters is not exactly a crazy idea.  That's it.

[MaxQuartiroli]

leonia42 wrote...

MaxQuartiroli wrote...

@Leonia42.. They should copy your post and put it into a sticky topic titled:

"Before posting here please read this !"

Ah thanks, that makes me feel warm and fuzzy. 

As for them continuing to release material for Origins, I am super excited about that! There are so many stories to follow in this wonderful world of Thedas. Bioware has basically given us a whole new fantasy playground to play with in their various games, books, comics, anime, tabletop, etc. It's kind of like we've been handed Middle-earth for the first time and been told "Have fun, create and build something exciting with this setting!"

The geek in me is more excited about the codex and lore reveals in DA 2 than the actual main plot

You are welcome and we are on the same boat here..
There is a whole world to explore, and so many different tales to hear, each one full of great emotions to live, and I can't wait for this.
I don't wanna be bounded to a specific story or to a specific character, therefore I will always support them in this choice.

[Brockololly]

leonia42 wrote...

Maybe they are leaving the Warden story open-ended for us to choose our own endings? Or at least that is what I intend to do with my fanfiction writing, don't know about the rest of you guys

The whole problem I see with that idea that we should just imagine our own endings is this- With Morrigan at least, the devs have said on multiple occassions that her story is not over. Its rather likely that she'll show up somewhere down the road. And if she shows up in a story where the Warden who consented to the DR is absent, that would be extremely weak. BioWare has said that Dragon Age is all about the important stories in Thedas and how as a player, your choices affect the world of Thedas.

Now you cannot tell me that for those that chose the DR, its not a huge potentially world changing event worthy of further exploration. For the first time EVER, a Grey Warden has survived killing an Archdemon and in the process created a baby with soul of purified Old God while letting a mysterious apostate run off with the Old God Baby. If Dragon Age is all about choice and consequences, I cannot think of a better opportunity to explore the consequences of such an action for the Warden. And it needs to be the Warden who deals with the results of the DR- they started it, they should have to deal with any consequences it may bring about. Leaving the OGB /Morrigan plotline to Hawke or some other new PC would just lack any of the emotional engagement you'd have built up between the Warden and Morrigan.

leonia42 wrote...
I feel like the players are being very selfish here in their demands of a conclusion that suits their personal desire, there is more to Thedas than just Grey Wardens and darkspawn after all. This is Bioware's game, their story, we're here to enjoy the ride not to tell dictate how they should appease us.

I don't think its selfish at all to want conclusion to a plot line like the Old God Baby that gets dropped on the player at the very end of Origins. Its not just some loose plot thread in need of being tied off, its the start of a whole new plot with the potential to change the history of Thedas! Of course BioWare can go any direction they want, but while the Blight was stopped in Origins, for me at least it wasn't the Blight plot that kept me motivated to keep playing.

The main plot of Origins wasn't what made the game memorable. It was the character nuances and their stories that people were interested in- the Warden's death sentence goes unexplored, the ramifications of the OGB are possibly left for another, the mystery behind Morrigan's plans- those are the interesting aspects of Origins that kept me playing, not the tired "Oh no! Its a scary dragon leading its horde of minions!" plot. In most games the player should be feeling empowered at the end of the game, the DR and Morrigan's whole "I don't want to tell you" rationale do the opposite- leaving the player with countless new questions - the experience feels incomplete due to the non-resolution of that little revelation being sprung on the player in the 11th hour of the game.

They can go any direction they so choose, but if their story telling methods going forward is to simply dump loads of tantalizing questions and start world changing plots at the end of a game which may or may not ever be resolved- that will simply lead to frustration amongst many players.

leonia42 wrote...
Right, well, similar situation here. The Warden's story is only finished if you choose to make an ending for them. Maybe in the future they will come back to us as a codex entry or make a cameo in an upcoming DA game/DLC, but really, if you are THAT concerned about the personal ending of a character you created.. then write it (and share with the rest of us in the fanfiction forum if you want).

Its not a similar situation- Dragon Age wasn't cancelled like an unresolved TV series like Deadwood, they're still making games and given the sequel bait plot hook of the OGB and Morrigan at the end of Origins, its entirely reasonable for people to have thought that would have figured prominently in the sequel. And maybe it does- but in order for that choice to have any meaningful resonance, it would be nice if its the Warden dealing with Morrigan and the OGB, not some random Most Important Man in the World, like Hawke. And going off BioWare's past sequel history with BG2 and ME2, both carried forward the PC's and expanded on the PC's relationships with old companions.

The main draw for me in BioWare games are the characters, first and foremost. So when the characters are left in limbo with only "maybe/maybe nots" being bandied about as to any future resolution, it causes one to pause. Why should I bother getting emotionally engaged with Hawke's story if he just joins the Warden in limbo at the end of DA2? People just want some closure, an ending not relegated to a powerpoint slide, one way or the other. Look at the ending to Throne of Bhaal for a well done example of closure. You knew the Bhaalspawn's story was over, but everything was resolved and you were ready to move on.

For the Wardens who romanced Morrigan, its hard to feel any closure when the whole OGB plot starts right as the story of the Blight is ending. I guess we just have to be patient though and see what BioWare has up their sleeves going forward...

Modifié par Brockololly, 15 juillet 2010 - 01:26 .

[Leonia]

@Brockololly:

In terms of Morrigan and the baby, I am sure we will see more of that, my post was more about the PC not the other characters of Origins. In my fanfic, for example, I am not even going to begin to speculate on Morrigan's tale since we have already been told we will hear more about that later. Even if she doesn't do the DR with a Warden, she may find another way to do the ritual for all we know. That storyline is guaunteed to continue onwards, regardless of our decisions in Origins and I would be pretty upset if it wasn't. That is not to say we will see our Warden again or even see Morrigan again, we may just hear about the story from another source later on.

Granted, my character was female and thus didn't romance Morrigan so maybe I don't feel as connected to that particular issue as well as you and your PC. I understand that things were left hanging and a new plot was started, I have no doubts we haven't heard the end of that whole fiasco. Morrigan is the poster lady of Dragon Age Origins, surely that counts for something. As for other things that could have happened at the end such as what your other companions did post-Blight, those are things that will probably be left up to us to imagine about.

Modifié par leonia42, 15 juillet 2010 - 01:38 .

[Narreneth]

leonia42 wrote...

Maybe they are leaving the Warden story open-ended for us to choose our own endings? Or at least that is what I intend to do with my fanfiction writing, don't know about the rest of you guys

No matter how Bioware does it, they could never write a satisfactory ending to Origins that would appease everyone. If you really, really need closure, there's always the DA Tool Kit to help you make your own ending (and share it with others) or the ability to write fanfiction, draw some fanart, make a costume, whatever it is you need to do to conclude YOUR personal character's story.

I feel like the players are being very selfish here in their demands of a conclusion that suits their personal desire, there is more to Thedas than just Grey Wardens and darkspawn after all. This is Bioware's game, their story, we're here to enjoy the ride not to tell dictate how they should appease us.

Do you get angry when you read a novel series and your favourite character's story isn't concluded properly or doesn't receive the conclusion that you think they should have had? Do you write letters of complaint to the author demanding that they change it to suit your needs? What about when they don't tie up loose ends in a TV show because the next series got cancelled?

Right, well, similar situation here. The Warden's story is only finished if you choose to make an ending for them. Maybe in the future they will come back to us as a codex entry or make a cameo in an upcoming DA game/DLC, but really, if you are THAT concerned about the personal ending of a character you created.. then write it (and share with the rest of us in the fanfiction forum if you want).

That's too much imagination for the crowd that have been saying that the dialogue wheel doesn't leave anything to imagination.  (Which makes no sense)

[Brockololly]

leonia42 wrote...

In terms of Morrigan and the baby, I am sure we will see more e of that, my post was more about the PC not the other characters of Origins. In my fanfic, for example, I am not even going to begin to speculate on Morrigan's tale since we have already been told we will hear more about that later. Even if she doesn't do the DR with a Warden, she may find another way to do the ritual for all we know. That storyline is guaunteed to continue onwards, regardless of our decisions in Origins and I would be pretty upset if it wasn't. That is not to say we will see our Warden again or even see Morrigan again, we may just hear about the story from another source later on.

But what I'm saying is this: the Warden is as much a part of the Morrigan/OGB plot as anything else. If Morrigan and the OGB pop up in the future, it should be the Warden dealing with it, not Hawke or some other unrelated hero PC. For many, Morrigan's tale and her relationship with the Warden, romantic or otherwise, was one ofthe more interesting parts of Origins. NOt everyone loved it, but the Warden's story going forward is tied to Morrigan's. The DR didn't just create the Old God Baby- it also saved the Warden from dying when killing the Archdemon and I'd hope they explore that too.

I just think BioWare would be crazy to throw that plot hook at the end of Origins and not pick it up in the future. But given how Gaider and BioWare are saying DA2 is all about Hawke and not the Warden, people that liked Morrigan and the DR ending are just getting impatient. Thats a complement to BioWare, really, for making a plot that people want to pick up right away. I'd just be able to get more enthused about DA2 and Hawke's story if we knew the Morrigan/Warden/OGB plot would have some resolution in the future.

leonia42 wrote...
Granted, my character was female and thus didn't romance Morrigan so maybe I don't feel as connected to that particular issue as well as you and your PC. I understand that things were left hanging and a new plot was started, I have no doubts we haven't heard the end of that whole fiasco. Morrigan is the poster lady of Dragon Age Origins, surely that counts for something. As for other things that could have happened at the end such as what your other companions did post-Blight, those are things that will probably be left up to us to imagine about.

I just think that if you took the DR, male or female, there will no doubt be consequences which arise down the road with Morrigan and the OGB. And it should be the Warden dealing with that, as they started the whole OGB brouhaha. But as for the other companions, I'd agree- their stories are left open to be explored in the future if the plot demands it, but isn't necessary. But with Morrigan they just tossed a new plot on the player and Morrigan at the end of the game.

Modifié par Brockololly, 15 juillet 2010 - 01:51 .

[magnus dei]

My question would be,
will the new game will include another mods editor ?
Modding is very important to me so I will wait for that answer even if it will take months

[AllThatJazz]

 Leonia42 - what a lovely post! And encouraging people to express their attachment to their Wardens by doing something creative is a great idea. :)x

[BallaZs]

lol chill dude for God's sake. Your Warden won't be in DA2, so what?

We all know that when DA2 will come out u'll get it, won't u? Yes u will.

So relax, and get used to the think that ur name will be Hawke. That's it.

[Nozybidaj]

David Gaider wrote...

thenemesis77 wrote...
All I would ask.....why did you let all of the timeline and this new epic story not contain our Warden....thats all I ask, I need to know this and may never know, If I get to kind of  reply from you, then I know it's over and I need to take all of the stuff I bought from BioWare out of the system of mine, bash me call me a **** or not having faith.........I had faith in the Warden I made, not the DA world. So just let me know, David and I will leave thsi frorum as you would like and I will not return. I really need to know this.  I know alot of you that do feel this way, won't speak up, it's ok.

1) Repeatedly making threads on the subject will not make Morrigan come back to your Warden sooner.

2) You will need to wait and see what (and if anything) happens with Morrigan in the future. Insofar as DA2 is concerned, the Warden's story is done. I'm sorry if that upsets you, but that's simply the way it is.

Well, at the very least it is a pretty definitive answer on whether or not one should bother following DA anymore.  Thanks for the kind reply.