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[Xondio]

This is to discuss the success of Dragonage/Baldurs Gate series and why Baldurs Gate is to this date the best RPG in existance.

Baldurs Gate

-Deep npc's
-Rich
characterization
-Innovative quests
-Expansive storyline.
-Large
number of magic items, each with a unique history
-Strategic and challenging
combats
-Drew from a vast bestiary of creatures as foes.
-One protagonist through an epic journey with NPC's that you got to know over a few games.
-Romance that follows you past one game.
Dragonage

Dragon Age

More reactive
Varied openings
Lots of early tragedy to draw you in
Darkspawn are lame
Stupid dream sequence

[Grommash94]

I liked BG's story better. It was also a harder game.



But in terms of immersion and relationships with characters...Dragon Age takes the cake, imo.

[andar91]

I like them both and refuse to try and raise one above the other.

[Khayness]

Baldur's Gate will have the most awesome expansion of all times.

[TMZuk]

Baldur's Gate beats DA on all fronts IMO, except for dialogues. I still have it installed, I still play it. Unless an expansion/dlc is released that can somehow bring closure to the story of the warden, I'll be hard pressed to play DA again.



On a sidenote, I recently found a mod that brings hundreds of extra lines of banter and dialogue in to BG and BG2. Much of it hysterically funny.

[Quinnzel]

Baldurs Gate hands down. I have been playing BG2 pretty much every year since its release but to credit DA:O, im as likely as to play THAT for the next few years. Both games owe a lot to their fantastic mods community as well as that fantastic lot at Bioware, I mean people are still doing mods for BG.

[mordy_was_here]

Baldur's Gate had Haer'Dalis, therefore it wins.

[Cancermeat]

If i was stranded on an island and I could only bring 2 video games it would BG and BG2.

[Felfenix]

OP's point sounds like general propaganda you'd find on the box of any game.



- Innovative!

- Rich!

- Deep!

- Fun!

[Narreneth]

I usually don't like to say things like this because of how much they make me vomit into my mouth; but, it's the only thing I can think of to respond to this post.



Stupid thread is stupid.

[reddragon567]

Pineapples versus Pinecones.



Go!

[Grommash94]

reddragon567 wrote...

Pineapples versus Pinecones.

Go!

Pineapple FTW!

[mordy_was_here]

Pinecones, for they are crunchy and taste like winter.

[GodWood]

Baldur's Gate has the added benefit of nostalgia value, thus BG wins.

[Kalcalan]

I know the BG series like the back of my hand. I've been playing BG1 since 1998. IMO the main appeal of DAO is novelty. I also like the cinematic approach and all the eye candy but I find BG1 and 2 (especially with mods like the NPC mod and Easy Tutu) are superior for obvious reasons. DAO is a fun game and I didn't expect I'd enjoy it that much but it's too linear and somehow limited to compare to the BG series.

The only game that in my opinion is better than the BG series is the first Fallout (not Fallout 2 and certainly not 3). It's mainly because of the use of the SPECIAL system which is so much better than the Advanced Dungeons and Dragons ruleset and the very detailed dialogue options and the non linearity of the game... It's really hard to find any game that is better than Fallout 1 (but then I've been playing it since its release in 1997 so I really don't mind the sequels as it brings something new and that is not necessarily a bad thing).

As far as BG is concerned nostalgia may be an element but I'm convinced that it allowed more freedom and more challenge than DAO. What DAO proved is that level scaling can work when it's done right. BG was a different type of game as you could try your luck and your tactics against difficult encounters and that was in itself absolutely great.

Modifié par Kalcalan, 14 juillet 2010 - 11:29 .

[AllThatJazz]

Right now, I'm thinking Dragon Age. Mostly because I've started a BG EasyTutu playthrough, and micromanaging my party of six through the Firewine ruins is TORTURE.

[Haexpane]

Baldur's Gate 2 is one of the greatest games ever made.



It's not fair to DA to compare it. No game comes close

[Haexpane]

Kalcalan wrote...

 What DAO proved is that level scaling can work when it's done right. .

How did it prove that since level scaling wasn't done right in DAO?  It's certianly not as broken as Oblivion, but it's still bad.

[_-Greywolf-_]

Haexpane wrote...

Kalcalan wrote...

 What DAO proved is that level scaling can work when it's done right. .

How did it prove that since level scaling wasn't done right in DAO?  It's certianly not as broken as Oblivion, but it's still bad.

I am not a fan of level scaling at all, sure it allows the player to do whatever mission in whatever order he wants without feeling too underpowered but to me it kinda defeats the purpose of leveling up. Forgive me if I am wrong but isnt the purpose of leveling up to allow you to work your way up to tackling harder missions and reaping the rewards they bring? Sure it is also a vital part of character development but Rocky diddnt just start at Apollo Creed who was scaled down to his level, he had to fight the easier fights and develop his skills and work his way up to fighting Apollo.

Besides I hate it when you do a mission early and you find that the epic armour set you are supposed to get isnt quite as epic.

[reddragon567]

IIRC equipemnt doesn't scale in DA:O only the enemies.

[Wishpig]

Grommash94 wrote...

reddragon567 wrote...

Pineapples versus Pinecones.

Go!

Pineapple FTW!

What a stupid question. Pineapples obviously. Not only do they taste devine, but they would beat the crap outta pinecones in a fist fight.

[Grommash94]

reddragon567 wrote...

IIRC equipemnt doesn't scale in DA:O only the enemies.

Some items do, such as the items you get from Warden's Keep. I don't mind it though...I never really noticed the enemy scaling, tbh, the difficulty was always appropriatel imo.

[Stefanocrpg_rev91]

Baldur's Gate 2 wins.



Though I liked more the npcs and party relationships of DAO, in the whole I still prefer BG2, one of the greatest rpg ever made.

BG2 had definetely many secondary quests, all done much better than their DAO counterparts, also the gameplay is better, primarly because of the ruleset: while the ruleset of DAO is good it needs some fixings (it's clearly ok for a new system to have some flaws), Advanced Dungeons & Dragons granted the player more tactical, tough and various fight.

Besides, Baldur's Gate 2 is enourmous, you explore a big city, villages, castles, dungeons, other planes of existence, the underground, the hell... in over 100 hours of game time.



But DAO is still a fantastic game, indeed. Only it's difficult to beat a masterpiece like Shadows of Amn.

[Tantum Dic Verbo]

Baldur's Gate had the advantage of having nothing that compared with it. There's a broader spectrum of RPG approaches now, and any game produced will not satisfy everyone as a result. One thing that Dragon Age has going for it is a system designed from the ground up as a computer game. The D&D ruleset didn't always translate well into a video game, as great as the game was in totality.

[Paromlin]

Baldur's Gate wins.