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[II Relics II]

And I don't get confused easily either mind you. Anyways,

So DA:O (or DA1 if you wish) did a great job establishing a variety of things: who the enemy was, why they are what they are, what they are trying to do, why we need to stop them, the organization that can do it, and a bunch of other things that I will probably forget to mention...

However, DA2 seems to ignore most of this in the second installment of the series, as far as we know, things are looking like the experience will be drastically different than the first. For starters it seems that the devs are trying to change the dynamics of the game to resemble the Mass Effect series; this is most evident with the announcement that in DA2 you take control of a human character named Hawke, who is the Champion of Kirkwall, and that Hawke is only playable as a human (quite the turn around from the multiple races that you could play your character as in DA:O).

Not only can you only play as Hawke, it appears that there will be no blight or Archdemon in the second DA2; so if this is the case what are we expected to fight? What is the purpose of DA2? And how does DA2 further advance the Dragon Age series other than introducing some Captain Shepard like character to the series? Is Hawke going to be somehow connected to the Old Gods or is this simply a ruse by Bioware to try and reach out to Mass Effect series fans??

I know there are probably already a ton of topics on this already but I'm just so confused by this... I mean I do not see how DA2 further the series at all, it seems to have no connection to the first Dragon Age game. Is Hawke also some kind of attempt to reach out to Mass Effect fans? Because in case you haven't noticed on the forums but many DA and ME fans are one in the same (I know that I am).

I guess what I'm really trying to get at is that the info that has been released so far is raising a lot of questions and concerns and that more info is released soon to explain some of these changes and how they are for the best...

Feel free to discuss if you wish, and feel free to add some of your concerns too.

[AntiChri5]

In DA 2 you do not fight against the Blight and the Archdemon because you stopped the Blight, and killed the Archdemon. in DA: O.



Remember the game is called: "Dragon Age" Not "the darkspawn" or "the blight" or "the Warden". The series is about Thedas, and what happens during the Dragon Age. Which, so far, is: One successful war of independence, on Blight in the same country, a sentient Darkspawn's attempt to Awaken his race and now this new thing, the rise to power of "Hawke"

[Grommash94]

Dragon Age is a franchise, not a series. It is all about telling DIFFERENT stories in the Age. There is so much to tell in a world as rich as Thedas.

[II Relics II]

Yes, but Dragon Age can also be seen as a reference of the Old Gods...



Of course Hawke could possibly be one of those staging characters who can save and destroy Thedas and all that good stuff.

[AntiChri5]

Do you know why it was named the "Dragon Age" (in world explanation, not the writers brainstorming)

[andar91]

Grommash94 wrote...

Dragon Age is a franchise, not a series. It is all about telling DIFFERENT stories in the Age. There is so much to tell in a world as rich as Thedas.

Out of all the posts that are similar to yours (including my own) I think you put it best in one sentence. "Dragon Age is a franchise, not a series."  That's a very good (and true) way of putting it.

[Grommash94]

II Relics II wrote...

Yes, but Dragon Age can also be seen as a reference of the Old Gods...

Of course Hawke could possibly be one of those staging characters who can save and destroy Thedas and all that good stuff.

Gaider confirmed that the story would not be about saving/destroying the world.

I don't really view the Old Gods as Dragons tbh...they seem to be much, much more.



Also, for those wondering, the Dragon Age was named so because in the last year of the previous Age a High Dragon emerged and went on a rampage.

[II Relics II]

I can see why they could do it if it's a franchise (is it a franchise?)



Similar to the TES franchise...

[Darth_Trethon]

What do you expect exactly? The blight was defeated.....gone....and then we dealt with the mother and the architect. At this point they'd have to come up with something else or the series would turn into repetitive crap. The "save the world" plot is already extremely cliche and has been beaten to death a trillion times. DA2 takes place not too long after the events of DAO as a survivor of Lothering is the player character so nowhere near enough time has passed to have another blight...it usually takes centuries if you read up on the DA history line.



DA2 presents to us the most powerful character that ever lived in the DA universe and we get to play as his/her rise to power.



What I find well beyond ridiculous is that you expect a clone of the first game with different names and complain that it's too derailed from the original as if things never change. Look at our real life world.....wars come and go but it's never the same enemy and overall EVERYTHING drastically changes over the course of a few generations. There was no bloody internet and computers 50 years ago......life as we know it has completely changed. Why wouldn't fantasy worlds like that of DA change as well?



Stop your complaining and wait until you play it to see if it's good or not. Life sucks and then you die.....deal with it.

[Nerevar-as]

II Relics II wrote...

I can see why they could do it if it's a franchise (is it a franchise?)

Similar to the TES franchise...

Point. They could have made it clear from the beginning then. And don´t made a game with so many hints fora direct sequel rather than a spinoff

[Darth_Trethon]

Nerevar-as wrote...

II Relics II wrote...

I can see why they could do it if it's a franchise (is it a franchise?)

Similar to the TES franchise...

Point. They could have made it clear from the beginning then. And don´t made a game with so many hints fora direct sequel rather than a spinoff

Sequel doing what.....the warden jerking off? The blight was defeated and we dealt with the remaining darkspawn afterwards in Awakening. The hints were to DLC which they're not done doing by the way.

DA2 is the sequel with a new character and a new purpose in a new and different story as there should be.

[Grommash94]

Nerevar-as wrote...

II Relics II wrote...

I can see why they could do it if it's a franchise (is it a franchise?)

Similar to the TES franchise...

Point. They could have made it clear from the beginning then. And don´t made a game with so many hints fora direct sequel rather than a spinoff

I believe that there was a statement, somewhere, that said Dragon Age was not planned to be a trilogy, but rather a franchise.

And the game doesn't really have too many hints for a direct sequel. A large expansion could wrap things up quite nicely imo

[elearon1]

Nothing says we won't get a kind of sequel to address issues from the first game - DA2 simply isn't it. That doesn't mean DA3 won't have something like that or ... and this would be mighty sneaky ... what if they continued releasing DLCs for DA:O so people would continue their Warden's story from there ... thus still earning money off the original game, not to mention from the people who came in at DA2 and want to see what the original has to offer.

[Wishpig]

Grommash94 wrote...

Dragon Age is a franchise, not a series. It is all about telling DIFFERENT stories in the Age. There is so much to tell in a world as rich as Thedas.

This!

This is Hawke's story, not the Warden's. I've said it before and I'll say it agian. The devs didn't plan on carrying on the Warden to DA:2. They made it clear that while it wasn't impossible to see the Warden return in DA2... but chances were it would be a new character. This is way back before DA:O even released.

Dragon Age's world is a rich world, with cool stuff going down everywhere. I'm glad we're moving on, truthfully, I enjoyed the stuff happening outside the darkspawn invasion more intresting. I find non-mindless evil killing machines to be the best enemies.

Take the Witcher, I enjoyed the main bad guys (the humans/elves/dwarves aka not monsters) in that far more then the darkspawn.

[elearon1]

>>Take the Witcher, I enjoyed the main bad guys (the humans/elves/dwarves aka not monsters) in that far more then the darkspawn.<<



Agreed. The whole point of The Witcher was monsters are monsters because that's how they're born, but the real monsters are the people who choose to be that way.

[Darth_Trethon]

elearon1 wrote...

Nothing says we won't get a kind of sequel to address issues from the first game - DA2 simply isn't it. That doesn't mean DA3 won't have something like that or ... and this would be mighty sneaky ... what if they continued releasing DLCs for DA:O so people would continue their Warden's story from there ... thus still earning money off the original game, not to mention from the people who came in at DA2 and want to see what the original has to offer.

David Gaider has already said that some more loose ends will be dealt with but that if you expect everything to be all packed neatly then you should be aready for dissapointment.....nothing ever ties all the loose ends and that's a fact. There isn't really much left to DAO except maybe the matter of the god child but does not require the warden to be alive nor does it in any way have to be the same kind of story. Hell Hawke could run into Morrigan and many including myself believe she's the white haired woman. That could give you a minute rundown on what's up with the kid and bam.....DAO is done......finished with and the franchise goes on with something else completely different.

[II Relics II]

Mhmm, I guess I wasn't expecting such a new direction.



And they could revert to another blight if the devs wanted to, there are still a couple of Old Gods hidden somewhere.

[Wishpig]

II Relics II wrote...

Mhmm, I guess I wasn't expecting such a new direction.

And they could revert to another blight if the devs wanted to, there are still a couple of Old Gods hidden somewhere.

I'm actually hoping the darkspawn was kind of DA:O's thing, and only DA:O's thing. I mean, I want them to remain a part of the DA world and still have a noticible presence in the world, but the DA universe has so many other things it can throw at us... to have only one major force be the "main" bad guys is such a waste.

It's like Warhammer Orcs. Their great, their awesome, and they make for a good antagonists, but then there's also Chaos, Dark Elves, Undead, Beastmen, ect... some find them even cooler and their certainly as deadly.

Plus my honest opinion... their not gonna make it on any most memorable villians lists. Bioware can do better. Loghain and flemith were the stand-out villians to me.

Modifié par Wishpig, 15 juillet 2010 - 03:01 .