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[MKDAWUSS]

I don't have anything against Templars TBH. Besides, Alistair was a templar...

[SDNcN]

Sirsmirkalot wrote...

Even after the tower was cleared, several mages came forth about how wrong they were by thinking that the templars weren't needed.

The Templars would not be needed if the Mages were in a position in which they could police themselves.

http://dragonage.wik...tany_of_Adralla

That mage figured out a counter to every form of mind control, every demonic summoning, and every dream walker.
There isn't any reason mage controlled Circles couldn't employ specialized mages to assume the roles the Templar currently fill.

[Daerog]

Makes sense that they would act when it started to have an impact on them. Plenty of risk involved with taking out a tyrant, just look at what happened in that one DLC for Origins. Not everyone can try to take out a tyrant and win. Also, like the Grey Wardens, it is not the templars job to do politics (although it looks like they have influence here like the GWs have in the land of their HQ).

I'm actually enjoying storylines that involve the templars, makes it more interesting. I actually like the order, if not certain individuals.

Anyway, sounds great, I go against them in one playthrough and with them in another.

[Sirsmirkalot]

SDNcN wrote...

The Templars would not be needed if the Mages were in a position in which they could police themselves.

http://dragonage.wik...tany_of_Adralla

That mage figured out a counter to every form of mind control, every demonic summoning, and every dream walker.
There isn't any reason mage controlled Circles couldn't employ specialized mages to assume the roles the Templar currently fill.

And what if the mages that are in control are corrupted? No, with the power that the magi wield, an external force to monitor them is required.

[Lomopingseph]

SDNcN wrote...

Sirsmirkalot wrote...

Even after the tower was cleared, several mages came forth about how wrong they were by thinking that the templars weren't needed.

The Templars would not be needed if the Mages were in a position in which they could police themselves.

http://dragonage.wik...tany_of_Adralla

That mage figured out a counter to every form of mind control, every demonic summoning, and every dream walker.
There isn't any reason mage controlled Circles couldn't employ specialized mages to assume the roles the Templar currently fill.

And... what would be the difference between this Mage Police Force and the Templars?

[SDNcN]

Lomopingseph wrote...

SDNcN wrote...

Sirsmirkalot wrote...

Even after the tower was cleared, several mages came forth about how wrong they were by thinking that the templars weren't needed.

The Templars would not be needed if the Mages were in a position in which they could police themselves.

http://dragonage.wik...tany_of_Adralla

That mage figured out a counter to every form of mind control, every demonic summoning, and every dream walker.
There isn't any reason mage controlled Circles couldn't employ specialized mages to assume the roles the Templar currently fill.

And... what would be the difference between this Mage Police Force and the Templars?

They are Mages and more likely to be sympathetic towards other mages.

Sirsmirkalot wrote...

And what if the mages that are in
control are corrupted? No, with the power that the magi wield, an
external force to monitor them is required.

Someone who is trained to hunt down Blood Mages and Demons is just as if not more likely to confront a High Enchanter suspected of Blood Magic as they are an Apprentice.

Modifié par SDNcN, 15 juillet 2010 - 01:24 .

[Grommash94]

SDNcN wrote...

Lomopingseph wrote...

SDNcN wrote...

Sirsmirkalot wrote...

Even after the tower was cleared, several mages came forth about how wrong they were by thinking that the templars weren't needed.

The Templars would not be needed if the Mages were in a position in which they could police themselves.

http://dragonage.wik...tany_of_Adralla

That mage figured out a counter to every form of mind control, every demonic summoning, and every dream walker.
There isn't any reason mage controlled Circles couldn't employ specialized mages to assume the roles the Templar currently fill.

And... what would be the difference between this Mage Police Force and the Templars?

They are Mages and more likely to be sympathetic towards other mages.

Not necessarily.

[Legbiter]

Yes, the templars will be a slight source of bother for Hawke.

[C9316]

SDNcN wrote...

Lomopingseph wrote...

SDNcN wrote...

Sirsmirkalot wrote...

Even after the tower was cleared, several mages came forth about how wrong they were by thinking that the templars weren't needed.

The Templars would not be needed if the Mages were in a position in which they could police themselves.

http://dragonage.wik...tany_of_Adralla

That mage figured out a counter to every form of mind control, every demonic summoning, and every dream walker.
There isn't any reason mage controlled Circles couldn't employ specialized mages to assume the roles the Templar currently fill.

And... what would be the difference between this Mage Police Force and the Templars?

They are Mages and more likely to be sympathetic towards other mages.

But how long would it take to train these specialized mages? Also the problem with mages controlling mages is those mages could become corrupt and then where would we be?

[SDNcN]

Grommash94 wrote...

Not necessarily.

If you were a mage who would you rather have watching over you?

A normal human who is indoctrinated by a Religon that barely tolerates Mages.

or

A Mage who has similar experiences as you do. (Taken from their family and growing up in the circle)

C9316 wrote...

But how long would it take to train these
specialized mages? Also the problem with mages controlling mages is
those mages could become corrupt and then where would we be?

Isn't that the problem still present with the Templars?
They are all addicted to Lyrium. Just set up a Lyrium smuggling ring, exploit the weaker Templars, and stage accidents for the ones that don't comply.

Modifié par SDNcN, 15 juillet 2010 - 01:37 .

[Lomopingseph]

SDNcN wrote...

Lomopingseph wrote...

SDNcN wrote...

Sirsmirkalot wrote...

Even after the tower was cleared, several mages came forth about how wrong they were by thinking that the templars weren't needed.

The Templars would not be needed if the Mages were in a position in which they could police themselves.

http://dragonage.wik...tany_of_Adralla

That mage figured out a counter to every form of mind control, every demonic summoning, and every dream walker.
There isn't any reason mage controlled Circles couldn't employ specialized mages to assume the roles the Templar currently fill.

And... what would be the difference between this Mage Police Force and the Templars?

They are Mages and more likely to be sympathetic towards other mages.

I don't think the citizens of the various countries around Thedas would be very happy about having individuals wielding dangerous powers running around doing whatever they wanted.

And I think people are too hard on the Templars. Poor guys get slaughtered by the truckload in Origins.

[C9316]

SDNcN wrote...

Grommash94 wrote...

Not necessarily.

If you were a mage who would you rather have watching over you?

A normal human who is indoctrinated by a Religon that barely tolerates Mages.

or

A Mage who has similar experiences as you do. (Taken from their family and growing up in the circle)

C9316 wrote...

But how long would it take to train these
specialized mages? Also the problem with mages controlling mages is
those mages could become corrupt and then where would we be?

Isn't that the problem still present with the Templars?
They are all addicted to Lyrium. Just set up a Lyrium smuggling ring, exploit the weaker Templars, and stage accidents for the ones that don't comply.

Are you talking about corrupt templars or corrupt mages? I don't remember mages being addicted to Lyrium.

[SDNcN]

C9316 wrote...

Are you talking about corrupt templars or corrupt mages? I don't remember mages being addicted to Lyrium.

The Templar.
The Chantry addicts them to Lyrium to "increase" their abilites and keep them under their thumb because they control
the Lyrium trade.

[C9316]

SDNcN wrote...

C9316 wrote...

Are you talking about corrupt templars or corrupt mages? I don't remember mages being addicted to Lyrium.

The Templar.
The Chantry addicts them to Lyrium to "increase" their abilites and keep them under their thumb because they control
the Lyrium trade.

What about the other part of my question if mages are watching over mages what would happen if they become corrupt?

[andar91]

Sirsmirkalot wrote...

SDNcN wrote...

The Templars would not be needed if the Mages were in a position in which they could police themselves.

http://dragonage.wik...tany_of_Adralla

That mage figured out a counter to every form of mind control, every demonic summoning, and every dream walker.
There isn't any reason mage controlled Circles couldn't employ specialized mages to assume the roles the Templar currently fill.

And what if the mages that are in control are corrupted? No, with the power that the magi wield, an external force to monitor them is required.

I agree, but I think the mages and the outside force should have equal representation and power, both over their charges and over each other.

[_Dejanus]

NKKKK wrote...

http://gameinformer....PostPageIndex=5 According to this timeline, the Templars are big influncers in this city, almost kind of ruling it.

Since I dislike religion ruling a country or city, I hope we can break their grip on Kirkwall

I hate intolerance, and will have little trepidation for killing Templars in the name of religous and mage equality.

[SDNcN]

andar91 wrote...

Sirsmirkalot wrote...

SDNcN wrote...

The Templars would not be needed if the Mages were in a position in which they could police themselves.

http://dragonage.wik...tany_of_Adralla

That mage figured out a counter to every form of mind control, every demonic summoning, and every dream walker.
There isn't any reason mage controlled Circles couldn't employ specialized mages to assume the roles the Templar currently fill.

And what if the mages that are in control are corrupted? No, with the power that the magi wield, an external force to monitor them is required.

I agree, but I think the mages and the outside force should have equal representation and power, both over their charges and over each other.

That would be a pretty good way to combat corruption on both fronts.

[Lord of War]

Templars are swine. As is every single Andrastian. You see, the only way that Thedas can be strong is a return to Magocracy. A new Imperium, if you will.

[Jimbe2693]

I'm looking forward to mocking the chantry and it's templars

[SOLID_EVEREST]

Even when I played as a Mage in Origins, I never really minded the Templars. I thought their job was necessary. Although I didn't like that they were more than happy to kill mages, they never really bothered me.

[SirGladiator]

In DAO the Templars never really cared about you (if you were a mage) or Morrigan, nobody ever came after you, not even a teeney little random-battle group (unless I just missed it somehow), if you were a mage on the loose, well they seemingly couldn't care less. Hopefully in DA2 that'll be different, and at least 'somebody' will make an issue out of it.

[NKKKK]

SirGladiator wrote...

In DAO the Templars never really cared about you (if you were a mage) or Morrigan, nobody ever came after you, not even a teeney little random-battle group (unless I just missed it somehow), if you were a mage on the loose, well they seemingly couldn't care less. Hopefully in DA2 that'll be different, and at least 'somebody' will make an issue out of it.

The Templars in Lothering had other issues to attend too, you could even say that Morrigan is an Apostate to one of them

[GodWood]

Meh, I hate mages more then Templars.

[Riona45]

MKDAWUSS wrote...

I don't have anything against Templars TBH. Besides, Alistair was a templar...

Not really.  He was training to be a templar (and not by choice), but was recruited by the Grey Wardens before he actually became one.  On top of that, he reveals to you fairly early in the game that the occupation wasn't for him.

[Riona45]

Lomopingseph wrote...
And... what would be the difference between this Mage Police Force and the Templars?

They would (hopefully) not be the arm of a church that teaches that magic is inherently sinful and corrupt, and is known (via the lore) to knowingly fudge the difference between non-Circle mages and blood mages.  I'm always a bit puzzled as to why so many people don't see the religious indoctrination part as a problem.  Why not at least argue for anti-magic warriors who have nothing to do with the Chantry?

By the way, one possible boon you can ask for if you play a mage in DA:O is to release the Circle in Ferelden from templar control, and it gets granted.

Modifié par Riona45, 15 juillet 2010 - 06:27 .