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[theelementslayer]

wulf3n wrote...

 I'm still waiting for an explanation on why a little negative criticism = hate? 

i don't think i've read many comments where ppl actually say they hated the game? yet as soon as someone posts about something they didn't like, everyone brands them as a Hater!

I never said it did, and if I did then it came out wrong. Ive just seen alot of negativity on these forms, and how EVERYTHING was flawed in ME2. Bioware reads these forms to so how about a bit of support for the people who made the 18th best game of ALL time. So this is a praise thread, nothing more, nothing less. Lets try to keep in on topic please.

[II Sl4sh3r II]

KainrycKarr wrote...

wulf3n wrote...

 I'm still waiting for an explanation on why a little negative criticism = hate? 

i don't think i've read many comments where ppl actually say they hated the game? yet as soon as someone posts about something they didn't like, everyone brands them as a Hater!

This. I love ME2, I just wish it hadn't taken itself on the path of all generic sci-fi stories with unexplainable gimmicks and phenomenon, and stuck with the believable-fiction theme.

A little bit of criticism is alright. Some of the people on the forums, I won't mention any names, claim they love the game but constantly criticise it in every way possible and have little to nothing to say that they actually like.

[KainrycKarr]

II Sl4sh3r II wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

wulf3n wrote...

 I'm still waiting for an explanation on why a little negative criticism = hate? 

i don't think i've read many comments where ppl actually say they hated the game? yet as soon as someone posts about something they didn't like, everyone brands them as a Hater!

This. I love ME2, I just wish it hadn't taken itself on the path of all generic sci-fi stories with unexplainable gimmicks and phenomenon, and stuck with the believable-fiction theme.

A little bit of criticism is alright. Some of the people on the forums, I won't mention any names, claim they love the game but constantly criticise it in every way possible and have little to nothing to say that they actually like.

I just don't like bringin' people back from the dead. Not because I'm religious or anything, but just because stuff like that, to me, is right up there with time travel when it comes to gimmicks.

It just makes a character death so much less important, relevant, and emotional when you introduce the possibility that they might come back. It takes away the direness of the situation.

[KainrycKarr]

II Sl4sh3r II wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

wulf3n wrote...

 I'm still waiting for an explanation on why a little negative criticism = hate? 

i don't think i've read many comments where ppl actually say they hated the game? yet as soon as someone posts about something they didn't like, everyone brands them as a Hater!

This. I love ME2, I just wish it hadn't taken itself on the path of all generic sci-fi stories with unexplainable gimmicks and phenomenon, and stuck with the believable-fiction theme.

A little bit of criticism is alright. Some of the people on the forums, I won't mention any names, claim they love the game but constantly criticise it in every way possible and have little to nothing to say that they actually like.

I just don't like bringin' people back from the dead. Not because I'm religious or anything, but just because stuff like that, to me, is right up there with time travel when it comes to gimmicks.

It just makes a character death so much less important, relevant, and emotional when you introduce the possibility that they might come back. It takes away the direness of the situation.

[theelementslayer]

Wow, these threads go off topic so quickly

[KainrycKarr]

theelementslayer wrote...

Wow, these threads go off topic so quickly

Yep, my bad. ME2 = awesome.

Some of the best realized and fleshed out characters in a story I've seen in a long time.

[lazuli]

Gibb_Garrus wrote...

I completely agree, everyone wants everything for this game. ****ing ungrateful. The fact that the thread called "Dissapointment with ME2" has 250+ pages sickens me.

Have you read that thread?  Sure, a lot of it is the same three or four people nitpicking, but it's a discussion.  Other posters pop in and defend the game.  I'm one of them.

But to get back on topic, my favorite part of Mass Effect 2 is Samara's recruitment mission.  I think it's a suitable representation of ME2's finest.  Samara's introduction cutscene helps set the stage.  The Eclipse mercs carry a variety of defenses and employ a wide range of units.  Their broad arsenal, the Biotic-boosting neurotoxin, and the savory battle song spice up the combat.    Finally, the battle with Wasea, a battle in which you are forced again and again to reposition yourself or die, completes the piece.

[MobiusTyr]

All games have flaws. Mass Effect 2 has the fewest. Not RPG enough for you? Well it's an action-RPG a.k.a not gay.

[KainrycKarr]

MobiusTyr wrote...

All games have flaws. Mass Effect 2 has the fewest. Not RPG enough for you? Well it's an action-RPG a.k.a not gay.

Do you even read?

[kraidy1117]

I enjoyed ME2 alot. There is some flaws, all game have flaws.

[lazuli]

MobiusTyr wrote...

All games have flaws. Mass Effect 2 has the fewest. Not RPG enough for you? Well it's an action-RPG a.k.a not gay.

Please choose a different word besides "gay."

[Mycrus Ironfist]

lazuli wrote...

MobiusTyr wrote...

All games have flaws. Mass Effect 2 has the fewest. Not RPG enough for you? Well it's an action-RPG a.k.a not gay.

Please choose a different word besides "gay."

happy?

[theelementslayer]

/bump, thought this might be needed

[angj57]

I completely agree with the OP. I've played this style of RPGs since the original Fallout. Mass Effect 2 was the best one I've played since Baldur's Gate 2-- both games produced moments when I could hardly believe how good the game actually was. It disturbs me, although it doesn't entirely surprise me, that there is this hardcore group on the forums that is so vitriolic about the game. I know they are a small minority, but they are so vocal that it can make the forums kind of depressing for real fans.

Anyway, I applaud the OP. There are always 2 or 3 negative rant threads that rehash the same group of complaints over and over again, so it is only fair that there are occasionally a few threads that express what most of us think-- Mass Effect 2 was a superb game and we can't wait for Mass Effect 3!

[theelementslayer]

angj57 wrote...

I completely agree with the OP. I've played this style of RPGs since the original Fallout. Mass Effect 2 was the best one I've played since Baldur's Gate 2-- both games produced moments when I could hardly believe how good the game actually was. It disturbs me, although it doesn't entirely surprise me, that there is this hardcore group on the forums that is so vitriolic about the game. I know they are a small minority, but they are so vocal that it can make the forums kind of depressing for real fans.

Anyway, I applaud the OP. There are always 2 or 3 negative rant threads that rehash the same group of complaints over and over again, so it is only fair that there are occasionally a few threads that express what most of us think-- Mass Effect 2 was a superb game and we can't wait for Mass Effect 3!

Thank you, I know there are only a few but it really ruins the forms, and I would hate to be Bioware and reading this and just all the endless s**t they get on the forms that is totally undeserved. They try their best and they just get flamed. So this is hopefully going to reach some of them so they know that the non-vocal majority really isnt unhappy

[angj57]

theelementslayer wrote...

Thank you, I know there are only a few but it really ruins the forms, and I would hate to be Bioware and reading this and just all the endless s**t they get on the forms that is totally undeserved. They try their best and they just get flamed. So this is hopefully going to reach some of them so they know that the non-vocal majority really isnt unhappy

In case you are ever tempted to take them seriously, just take a look at the Dragon Age 2 forums. The game was announced only a couple weeks ago. We know little more about it than the characters' names and the fact that you will be playing as a human protagonist. And yet most of the threads on there are furiously declaring that they have ruined the franchise.

After the game is released, they will find things to pick apart and claim that they hate the game because of x or y, but the truth is that they will have been ranting about it literally since the day it was announced. I too feel sorry for Bioware, but I think they know not to take these rant threads too seriously. Someone put a poll up over there asking how many people would "boyott the game" and only about 7% said they would. Besides, their recent games have been critical and commercial successes, so they are getting the last laugh anyway.

[theelementslayer]

angj57 wrote...

In case you are ever tempted to take them seriously, just take a look at the Dragon Age 2 forums. The game was announced only a couple weeks ago. We know little more about it than the characters' names and the fact that you will be playing as a human protagonist. And yet most of the threads on there are furiously declaring that they have ruined the franchise.

After the game is released, they will find things to pick apart and claim that they hate the game because of x or y, but the truth is that they will have been ranting about it literally since the day it was announced. I too feel sorry for Bioware, but I think they know not to take these rant threads too seriously. Someone put a poll up over there asking how many people would "boyott the game" and only about 7% said they would. Besides, their recent games have been critical and commercial successes, so they are getting the last laugh anyway.

Ya I read that, made me laugh. 13% arent going to buy, and thats out of all the people on the form that actually "care" about the game. OMG THE WORLDS ENDING FOR BIOWARE. Personally the voiced PC is going to be awesome, thats what I hated about DA..

Anyways on topic.  another one I loved about ME2 was the amazing Jack paragon romance. She was so cute I loved it :innocent:

[Daeion]

angj57 wrote...

I completely agree with the OP. I've played this style of RPGs since the original Fallout. Mass Effect 2 was the best one I've played since Baldur's Gate 2-- both games produced moments when I could hardly believe how good the game actually was. It disturbs me, although it doesn't entirely surprise me, that there is this hardcore group on the forums that is so vitriolic about the game. I know they are a small minority, but they are so vocal that it can make the forums kind of depressing for real fans.

Anyway, I applaud the OP. There are always 2 or 3 negative rant threads that rehash the same group of complaints over and over again, so it is only fair that there are occasionally a few threads that express what most of us think-- Mass Effect 2 was a superb game and we can't wait for Mass Effect 3!

I hate when people use the term real fans.  If we weren't all real fans of the game we wouldn't be here debating it.  Two people can both claim and consider themselves the true fans of the game and yet having widely different veiws on the game, and both will claim that the other side is the vocal minority  Take Dragon Age for example and look at the changes they are making from DA:O to DA2.  Right now the "real fans" of DA are very upset because of how restrictive DA2 appears to be, just like people complained about ME2.  Once DA2 comes out, those who were the original "real fans" and liked the original just the way it was will become the "minority" to the new "real fans" who will go on and on about how DA2 is better then DA:O, ignoring the fact that everyone is entitled to their opinion and because they do not agree with your does not make them wrong.

Even people who are dissapointed with ME2 will typically still say that it's still a good or great game, but when they compare it to what they were expecting, rightly or wrongly, they are dissapointed because they may feel it could have been a better game. 

ME2 had a good story, however to me it felt more like a collection of little stories then the flowing epic saga the was ME.  Different people like different narrative styles and I'm ok allowing people to have their opinion, doesn't mean I won't argue for mine though when people say it's wrong.

[theelementslayer]

Daeion wrote...

I hate when people use the term real fans.  If we weren't all real fans of the game we wouldn't be here debating it.  Two people can both claim and consider themselves the true fans of the game and yet having widely different veiws on the game, and both will claim that the other side is the vocal minority  Take Dragon Age for example and look at the changes they are making from DA:O to DA2.  Right now the "real fans" of DA are very upset because of how restrictive DA2 appears to be, just like people complained about ME2.  Once DA2 comes out, those who were the original "real fans" and liked the original just the way it was will become the "minority" to the new "real fans" who will go on and on about how DA2 is better then DA:O, ignoring the fact that everyone is entitled to their opinion and because they do not agree with your does not make them wrong.

Even people who are dissapointed with ME2 will typically still say that it's still a good or great game, but when they compare it to what they were expecting, rightly or wrongly, they are dissapointed because they may feel it could have been a better game. 

ME2 had a good story, however to me it felt more like a collection of little stories then the flowing epic saga the was ME.  Different people like different narrative styles and I'm ok allowing people to have their opinion, doesn't mean I won't argue for mine though when people say it's wrong.

Please read the OP I dont want an argument started on this thread, its not a soapbox or a pissing contest its a praise thread. If you have something to praise it, please say so. If not then dont reply.

Thank you

[Daeion]

theelementslayer wrote...

Daeion wrote...

I hate when people use the term real fans.  If we weren't all real fans of the game we wouldn't be here debating it.  Two people can both claim and consider themselves the true fans of the game and yet having widely different veiws on the game, and both will claim that the other side is the vocal minority  Take Dragon Age for example and look at the changes they are making from DA:O to DA2.  Right now the "real fans" of DA are very upset because of how restrictive DA2 appears to be, just like people complained about ME2.  Once DA2 comes out, those who were the original "real fans" and liked the original just the way it was will become the "minority" to the new "real fans" who will go on and on about how DA2 is better then DA:O, ignoring the fact that everyone is entitled to their opinion and because they do not agree with your does not make them wrong.

Even people who are dissapointed with ME2 will typically still say that it's still a good or great game, but when they compare it to what they were expecting, rightly or wrongly, they are dissapointed because they may feel it could have been a better game. 

ME2 had a good story, however to me it felt more like a collection of little stories then the flowing epic saga the was ME.  Different people like different narrative styles and I'm ok allowing people to have their opinion, doesn't mean I won't argue for mine though when people say it's wrong.

Please read the OP I dont want an argument started on this thread, its not a soapbox or a pissing contest its a praise thread. If you have something to praise it, please say so. If not then dont reply.

Thank you

I'm not trying to start an arguement, I'm just sick of the "real/true fan" comment because as I said we are all true fans.  I did say it had a good story, so that's praise.

[theelementslayer]

Daeion wrote...

I'm not trying to start an arguement, I'm just sick of the "real/true fan" comment because as I said we are all true fans.  I did say it had a good story, so that's praise.

The real/true fan I know is a dumb comparison and tag. But people who just rag on the game annoy me saying that "O I love the game, thats why Im saying this so they dont make the same mistake again I want the game to be the BEST FOR ME" Im not saying your one but I am saying some are. Anyways to make sure I dont break my own topics rules

Just remembered the krogan and the fish on the presidium, loved that part.

Anyways maybe to spark a bit more intrest, favorite mission in ME2?

[The Big Nothing]

The OP isn't stating that criticisms are unwelcome; she's saying that this specific topic is reserved for positive comments about Mass Effect 2.

[theelementslayer]

Exactly, are the resonable critcisms, yes. Does it deserve the hate it gets, In my opinion no. So this is just a thread to list the good about ME2

[theelementslayer]

Lucretion wrote...

See, there is a growing level of irony to this thread. You state you value only praise for ME2, however when critcism of people stating their opinion is mounted, you do not disregard their respective posts, only ones which target ME2 specifically. Such is counterproductive. As has been mentioned, simply because people voice complaints does not systematically entail they are expressing some deep loathing for Bioware or Mass Effect 2. They are merely offering their opinion, as you presently are. ME2 is most certainly a well accomplished title and an thoroughly entertaining video game with addictive aspects however there are undenible flaws, much like in the first game. Everyone is entitled to their own 'review' so to speak and these "praise" and "thank you" threads are no less irritating than their counter part if one side refuses to allow another opinion to be presented.

I know they are offering their opinion, I have no problem with it. A persons opinion is their own, this is my opinion. Do I agree that something should be critisiced, yes it makes it better. Should I agree that they amazingly long 300 page dissapointment thread is a great way to start with the critisim with some people just shouting out "this game sucks", and "its going too shooter" and "not enough RPG, its going to be a MW2",  "Bioware do a game exactly for me". No in my opinion I do not agree. Out of all that I think that BioWare should read something on their forms that isnt, "This game sucks", or "you did this wrong type" of topic. I have seen no praise topics-Ive only been on the form for a few months, but I have seen none.

Do I have a bias, yes. I loved ME2, and I believe that every change was better then ME1. Under a praise thread would I bring it up in normal circumstances. No. As I stated in my original post this is a praise thread. I loved both ME1 and ME2.  I apologize some of my comments were off topic and yes should not have been in here, but I am prone to emotion like everyone. So this is where this disagreement will end. I will try not to undermine the people offering constructive critisim or their own opinion on the game, and I will leave it at that. Apologies,

Now on topic, as before post. Favorite mission anyone? Besides the suicide mission because that one was epic.

Modifié par theelementslayer, 26 juillet 2010 - 03:24 .