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[chrisuuuu]

Deathwurm wrote...


Are you a Batman fan at all? There were some pretty awsome Batman events that were really well written. I loved the whole R.I.P. story-line...I know that not everyone did, but I thought what Morrison did by using aspects of things that happened in Batman titles 20 or 30 years earlier was some great writing.

I liked it as well. That visual interpretation of Joker gave me chills lol. The R.I.P. storyline might be too dense for relatively new fans not all too familiar with Batman's lore. If you are a Morrison and a cosmic fan, I would recommend my fav Morrison work, DC One Million. Takes place in the 853rd century and reveals what happened to Superman (still living but in self imposed exile) and others in all this time. Also the storyline has good doses of  Kyle Rayner =) Also feature's Batman 1 Million kicking the original Batman's butt and stealing his soul lol.

Modifié par chrisuuuu, 27 décembre 2011 - 06:31 .

[HoonDing]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Deathwurm wrote...

@Jack: Ed Brubaker is an amazing writer! Did you happen to read any of his run on Catwoman? He did some great work on Batman, as well...really did some great stuff, turning Gotham-based stories into some hard-boiled Crime Dramas!

Never knew he did Catwoman but did read his Batman stuff. Probably one of my favorite writers currently working.

He (or rather, his wife) is responsible for the current Catwoman look.

Also, all Marvel events (Civil War, Dark reign, Siege, Fear itself) are absolutely terrible.

Modifié par virumor, 27 décembre 2011 - 06:34 .

[Deathwurm]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

On Green Lantern, I felt the same way. Not because anyone lost the job when Hal came back but because it undid a good story. I felt exactly the same way when they undid Barry Allen's death. Stopped caring about both titles when they did that.

That's the other Editorial mis-step (and I'm being kind using the term mis-step) that killed me. THE biggest sacrifice anyone in DC's long History ever made and he's brought back in a lightning bolt

Brubaker worked on Catwoman around the 1st twelve issues after the title re-booted once...don't ask me which re-boot, I've completely lost track at this point...but it was some really great work. He's a guy that deserves all the hype other writers like Kevin Smith end up getting. Gail Simone is another writer like that...universal acclaim for her work, but doesn't get any of the Hype she really deserves.

There's a pretty interesting web-site that is still up but not being updated anymore on the topic of the way women are/were portrayed in comics...it's a bit out-dated since it actually lead to some of the changes in women's place in the Comic world. Go to http://www.unheardtaunts.com/wir/ 

Gail Simone contributed a lot to the site and it had a major impact on the comic-world!

Modifié par Deathwurm, 27 décembre 2011 - 06:38 .

[chrisuuuu]

Deathwurm wrote...

chrisuuuu wrote...

Deathwurm wrote...

I liked "Blackest Night" because Johns did a great job working why no one was staying dead there into a pretty good Story.

I feel you on stopping after BN. Tbh my interested waned a bit during BN and really plummeted during Brightest Day. I do like the overall theme of BN but the execution particularly regarding Nekron was off, since I had read all the earlier characterizations of Nekron.  I felt Marvel did the same with the Chaos King...Sinestro Corps War was amazing though...

I heard the Sinestro Corps was pretty great, but GL was never one of my favorite characters until Kyle came along...they really screwed the pooch at DC by bringing Hal back and doing it in the way they did...his becoming Paralax due to being pushed over the edge was an amazing tale and what he did in "Final Night" was a superb story of redemption, he was the only logical choice to replace James Corrigan as The Spectre, too and that Title was amazing...reducing it all to a flaw in the Ring was horrible! Dan Didio was the worst thing that ever happened to DC Comics!

I enjoyed "Blackest Night" because it was the first DC Event in a really long time where you didn't have to grab EVERY title to get the main Story...anything that took place outside the Blackest Night title itself only fleshed out the story.

Yeah...Dan D. and Joe Q. have taken much flak for some of the more questionable choices regarding content direction of key titles. I remember the absolute uproar over "One More Day" lol. Though I enjoyed Zero Hour as a kid, I still have Kyle as my fav GL. I don't think I'm far from the truth when I say that just about everyone is suffering from event fatigue

Modifié par chrisuuuu, 27 décembre 2011 - 09:38 .

[RPGamer13]

chrisuuuu wrote...

Blastback wrote...

So what's everyone's favorite events? Mine is definatly Annihilation over at Marvel. And most of the rest of the Cosmic stuff has been awesome as well. Siege and Fear Itself both had some great moments, but Annihilation was just one Crowning Moment of Awesome after the next.

Off all time or just relative recently? Off the top of my head I do have some favorite arcs:

Thor: Blood & Thunder - Thor in berserker mode and in possession of Power Gem + Infinity Watch + Thanos & Silver Surfer vs Odin = pure awesomeness

My favorite is the Phoenix saga in X-Men.  I loved Jean Grey coming back as the Dark Phoenix, I didn't care much about Jean Grey until after her transformation/reawakening.

chrisuuuu wrote...

Tonal size or definition doesn't determine power. Pre-crisis Superboy and Supergirl were doing sh*t like pulling planets on a chain (literally lol). But DC has plenty of female characters who are more buff than lithe

In comics you don't need bulking muscles to have strength. Here's Supergirl throwing an object with such force that it breaches the time barrier and travels forward 1000 years in the future lol

I was referring to definition.  I never said any of that did equate to power, I just like the aesthetics.  Aesthetic value holds a lot for me, a lot more than practicality.  As long as it looks good, anything goes for me. ^^

Also, like I said, I don't read the comics and all I know about DC are from the cartoons.  Of which, I haven't seen any characters like what I'm talking about.  So, you'd know more than I do and I'm not trying to argue against that.

I was just talking about what I've seen from the cartoons, of which I've seen more of what I like from Marvel's than DC's.  I bet in the comics a lot of the female characters might look different, like Wonder Woman, but the lack of it in their stuff outside of the comics, tells me they're afraid to show off their buff female characters to the general public outside of their hardcore comic fans.

Modifié par RPGamer13, 28 décembre 2011 - 09:56 .

[RPGamer13]

double post, my apologies.

Modifié par RPGamer13, 28 décembre 2011 - 09:55 .

[Homebound]

people should stay dead when they are killed..

[Deathwurm]

I see what you're saying now RPGamer13...yeah, the DC cartoons all use the same Art style and it is a style that doesn't really highligh any definition ifn female characters...some of the DC animated films have different style that lean a bit towards realism...

The Marvel cartoons do tend to use a more realistic style.

BTW, I've seen a lot of the Animated films from both companies and most of them are really great...any Bat-Fans out there should absolutely check out "Year One"...Bryan Cranston voice Jim Gordon and is amazing.

"Planet Hulk" is also really good...it's a very abbreviated version of the Story in the Comics (from what I was told by folks who read the Arc) but it is a complete story and is really a lot of fun!

[chrisuuuu]

RPGamer13 wrote...

I was referring to definition.  I never said any of that did equate to power, I just like the aesthetics.  Aesthetic value holds a lot for me, a lot more than practicality.  As long as it looks good, anything goes for me. ^^

You should have left out the word strong. You said "Also, DC seems afraid to have strong looking female characters." There are major differences between "strong looking" and muscle definition. I'm pretty cut and lean and def have more definition compared to some of my friends who have more hulking muscle mass. But they definitely have more strength, I couldn't dream of lifting half of what they lift. And they definitely appear way more "strong looking" Btw have you seen the WW vs Olympia fight? You can see their muscle definition and even a six pack or two that would some boys to shame

Modifié par chrisuuuu, 28 décembre 2011 - 04:04 .

[chrisuuuu]

Hellbound555 wrote...

people should stay dead when they are killed..

lol then Marvel/DC would have to resort to creating new characters oh my! To be fair, quite a bunch of the time, the big two would bring back a character because of fans. I accepted that death and rebirth will be an integral part of comics. But can they at least wait a decade or so? Now you see them reappear after a year...

[Deathwurm]

chrisuuuu wrote...

Hellbound555 wrote...

people should stay dead when they are killed..

lol then Marvel/DC would have to resort to creating new characters oh my! To be fair, quite a bunch of the time, the big two would bring back a character because of fans. I accepted that death and rebirth will be an integral part of comics. But can they at least wait a decade or so? Now you see them reappear after a year...

I remember a ways back when Wizard was still worth buying because it was still a decent Magazine & they still had the coupons for the "#1/2" issues of things (made a TON of cash back in the day selling those 1/2's on eBay) and Hal was still dead...a grop of Hal fans took out a 2-page ad demanding that Hal and the Corps be brought back! All I could think at the time was how much that must've cost and how much actual good things could have been done for people in need with the money they spent on that!

One of the craziest things I have ever seen Comic fans do...

[chrisuuuu]

Deathwurm wrote...

chrisuuuu wrote...

Hellbound555 wrote...

people should stay dead when they are killed..

lol then Marvel/DC would have to resort to creating new characters oh my! To be fair, quite a bunch of the time, the big two would bring back a character because of fans. I accepted that death and rebirth will be an integral part of comics. But can they at least wait a decade or so? Now you see them reappear after a year...

I remember a ways back when Wizard was still worth buying because it was still a decent Magazine & they still had the coupons for the "#1/2" issues of things (made a TON of cash back in the day selling those 1/2's on eBay) and Hal was still dead...a grop of Hal fans took out a 2-page ad demanding that Hal and the Corps be brought back! All I could think at the time was how much that must've cost and how much actual good things could have been done for people in need with the money they spent on that!

One of the craziest things I have ever seen Comic fans do...

lol crazy! btw newsarama had posted a feature "10 signs the '90s are back"
http://www.newsarama...k-111214-1.html

[Deathwurm]

Another recommendation for a really well-done Animated series I saw is Black Panther. Simply amazing!

I'm going to have to check out that newsarama article when I have a bit more time...since I had to give up Comics due to budget issues, I really try to avoid reading about them...too much of a tease. I always did find newsarama to be a great site, though...much more Objective on a lot of things than Wizard, which always seemed to be plugging whoever was pumping the most ad dollars to them.

[RPGamer13]

chrisuuuu wrote...

RPGamer13 wrote...

I was referring to definition.  I never said any of that did equate to power, I just like the aesthetics.  Aesthetic value holds a lot for me, a lot more than practicality.  As long as it looks good, anything goes for me. ^^

You should have left out the word strong. You said "Also, DC seems afraid to have strong looking female characters." There are major differences between "strong looking" and muscle definition. I'm pretty cut and lean and def have more definition compared to some of my friends who have more hulking muscle mass. But they definitely have more strength, I couldn't dream of lifting half of what they lift. And they definitely appear way more "strong looking" Btw have you seen the WW vs Olympia fight? You can see their muscle definition and even a six pack or two that would some boys to shame

I feel like we're talking around in circles.  You also seem to be contradicting yourself.  First you were saying you don't need hulking muscle mass to be strong, and now you appear to be sayign the opposite.

I don't feel like I'm getting my point across either and not sure I can put it in a way you'd understand.

And no I hadn't seen that episode.  But you only see it really when Wonder Woman is using her arms.  And it's a fight scene, so they've intentionally made it so you can see that the chracters got strong arms.

Modifié par RPGamer13, 31 décembre 2011 - 05:48 .

[Deathwurm]

Wow!

What a great pic of Black Cat! I haven't followed Marvel in years and I'm glad to find that she seems to have a permanent place in the Marvelverse...I really liked her when she was first introduced in Spider-Man and she could have easily fallen between the cracks and become one of the many "throw-away" characters that one sees so often in Comics.

Does she still have that wonky "Bad Luck" power, or is she now just a highly effective normal Human?

[chrisuuuu]

RPGamer13 wrote...

I feel like we're talking around in circles.  You also seem to be contradicting yourself.  First you were saying you don't need hulking muscle mass to be strong, and now you appear to be sayign the opposite.

I don't feel like I'm getting my point across either and not sure I can put it in a way you'd understand.

And no I hadn't seen that episode.  But you only see it really when Wonder Woman is using her arms.  And it's a fight scene, so they've intentionally made it so you can see that the chracters got strong arms.

you wrote these two statements:
"Also, DC seems afraid to have strong looking female characters."
"I was referring to definition.  I never said any of that did equate to power"

do you see the contradiction there?

you only see it when Wonder Woman is fighting? LOL NO. Do you want other examples? I gave you an example from a series that you aren't familiar with to prove your point was wrong. How can you make assumptions about a series you aren't familiar with at all?  Stop making assumptions about DC female characters when you yourself have said you really haven't seen any. No, we aren't going around in circles. I'm just correcting you.

And my point is you said "strong-looking" and meant definition like those two are mutually exclusive. I've seen 125 pounders cut  like Bruce Lee (as in have definition up the ying yang), some have decent strength and some are weak. Muscle definition and muscle size are two different things. BTW most of the guys on any of the world's strongmen competition dont' have anywhere close to the "definition" of many other pro atheletes, in fact some are outright pudgy. Here's DC's Judomaster, defined as hell huh? She probably has a 10 pack. She creates an aversion field that makes her hard to hit. She's also way more defined than Granny Goodness, but ol Granny is a zillion times physically stronger than her and is certainly "stronger-looking" too and would probably wipe the floor with Judomaster. Sonia would probably break her hand punching Granny directly

http://t3.gstatic.co...lZpm3lHiwHBP9Lg

Modifié par chrisuuuu, 02 janvier 2012 - 03:47 .

[chrisuuuu]

[quote]chrisuuuu wrote...

[quote]RPGamer13 wrote...

I feel like we're talking around in circles.  You also seem to be contradicting yourself.  First you were saying you don't need hulking muscle mass to be strong, and now you appear to be sayign the opposite.

I don't feel like I'm getting my point across either and not sure I can put it in a way you'd understand.

And no I hadn't seen that episode.  But you only see it really when Wonder Woman is using her arms.  And it's a fight scene, so they've intentionally made it so you can see that the chracters got strong arms.


[/quote]

you wrote these two statements:
"Also, DC seems afraid to have strong looking female characters."
"I was referring to definition.  I never said any of that did equate to power"

do you see the contradiction there?



you only see it when Wonder Woman is fighting? LOL NO. Do you want other examples? I gave you an example from a series that you aren't familiar with to prove your point was wrong. How can you make assumptions about a series you aren't familiar with at all?  Stop making assumptions about DC female characters when you yourself have said you really haven't seen any. No, we aren't going around in circles. I'm just correcting you.

And my point is you said "strong-looking" and meant definition like those two are mutually exclusive. I've seen 125 pounders cut  like Bruce Lee (as in have definition up the ying yang), some have decent strength
 and some are weak. Muscle definition and muscle size are two different things. BTW most of the guys on any of the world's strongmen competition dont' have anywhere close to the "definition" of many other pro atheletes, in fact some are outright pudgy. Here's DC's Judomaster, defined as hell huh? She creates an aversion field that makes her hard to hit. She's also way more defined than Granny Goodness, but ol Granny is a zillion times physically stronger than her and is certainly "stronger looking" too and would probably wipe the floor with Judomaster. Sonia would probably break her hand punching Granny directly

http://t3.gstatic.co...lZpm3lHiwHBP9Lg

Modifié par chrisuuuu, 01 janvier 2012 - 11:29 .

[Get Magna Carter]

This conversation brings up something that has been bothering me
(Batman - No-man's land spoilers)
The Huntress is drawn as being curvy with muscles
The No-man's land story introduced a new Bat-Girl who was sleek and lithe
..who turned out to be the Huntress in a different costume (despite still being active as the Huntress)
How can 2 women with such different figures be the same person?

[chrisuuuu]

Get Magna Carter wrote...

This conversation brings up something that has been bothering me
(Batman - No-man's land spoilers)
The Huntress is drawn as being curvy with muscles
The No-man's land story introduced a new Bat-Girl who was sleek and lithe
..who turned out to be the Huntress in a different costume (despite still being active as the Huntress)
How can 2 women with such different figures be the same person?

The same way Namor was drawn as a used car sales man and potential child molester in Dark Reign compared with other interps. I've seen a zillion different interps for Barbs, Cassandra Cain, and Huntress. It's just a convention of comics..that inconsistency regarding visual style. If you are a stickler for uniformity, comic's plot lines and retcons will have you pulling out your hair like ol pervert Namor below lol

Modifié par chrisuuuu, 01 janvier 2012 - 10:16 .

[chrisuuuu]

Deathwurm wrote...

Wow!

What a great pic of Black Cat! I haven't followed Marvel in years and I'm glad to find that she seems to have a permanent place in the Marvelverse...I really liked her when she was first introduced in Spider-Man and she could have easily fallen between the cracks and become one of the many "throw-away" characters that one sees so often in Comics.

Does she still have that wonky "Bad Luck" power, or is she now just a highly effective normal Human?

She still has those powers. Her and Domino have somewhat similar probability powers.

Modifié par chrisuuuu, 01 janvier 2012 - 10:28 .

[chrisuuuu]

Deathwurm wrote...

I heard the Sinestro Corps was pretty great, but GL was never one of my favorite characters until Kyle came along...they really screwed the pooch at DC by bringing Hal back and doing it in the way they did...his becoming Paralax due to being pushed over the edge was an amazing tale and what he did in "Final Night" was a superb story of redemption, he was the only logical choice to replace James Corrigan as The Spectre, too and that Title was amazing...reducing it all to a flaw in the Ring was horrible! Dan Didio was the worst thing that ever happened to DC Comics!

I enjoyed "Blackest Night" because it was the first DC Event in a really long time where you didn't have to grab EVERY title to get the main Story...anything that took place outside the Blackest Night title itself only fleshed out the story.

You didnt like Crispus Allen as the uber Spectre?? 

Modifié par chrisuuuu, 01 janvier 2012 - 10:55 .

[RPGamer13]

chrisuuuu wrote...

And my point is you said "strong-looking" and meant definition like those two are mutually exclusive.

No, you were the one talking like they were mutually exclusive.  But yes, the kind of definition I am talking about I only saw while she was throwing that thing.

Here's DC's Judomaster, defined as hell huh? She creates an aversion field that makes her hard to hit. She's also way more defined than Granny Goodness, but ol Granny is a zillion times physically stronger than her and is certainly "stronger looking" too.

I see where the problem is now, our definition of "strong looking" is different

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ58kqxf9fg1lcTCMxlHf4xD5JdE-XFiHnuPTWXV1s1DeZlZpm3lHiwHBP9Lg

Ok, how come she's not in any mass media?  It still proves my point that DC is afraid of what the general public would think of female characters like the picture you posted above by keeping them confined to comic books.

Marvel is definitely more open about such female characters than DC is, which was my original point if I wasn't able to get it across at first.

I'm not arguing against you correcting me, since you know more I'm glad you were able to give me some more insight.

[chrisuuuu]

RPGamer13 wrote...

chrisuuuu wrote...

And my point is you said "strong-looking" and meant definition like those two are mutually exclusive.

No, you were the one talking like they were mutually exclusive.  But yes, the kind of definition I am talking about I only saw while she was throwing that thing.

Here's DC's Judomaster, defined as hell huh? She creates an aversion field that makes her hard to hit. She's also way more defined than Granny Goodness, but ol Granny is a zillion times physically stronger than her and is certainly "stronger looking" too.

I see where the problem is now, our definition of "strong looking" is different

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ58kqxf9fg1lcTCMxlHf4xD5JdE-XFiHnuPTWXV1s1DeZlZpm3lHiwHBP9Lg

Ok, how come she's not in any mass media?  It still proves my point that DC is afraid of what the general public would think of female characters like the picture you posted above by keeping them confined to comic books.

Marvel is definitely more open about such female characters than DC is, which was my original point if I wasn't able to get it across at first.

I'm not arguing against you correcting me, since you know more I'm glad you were able to give me some more insight.

I think DC has done great things to showcase their female characters. Maybe you aren't that familiar with them or haven't had the time to expose yourself more to them as say Wonder Woman who's pretty iconic. I don't think you will find many female characters in Marvel or DC more buff than Powergirl. If DC aren't afraid of putting kickass characters in animation like Big Barda, Powergirl, Supergirl, WW, Granny Goodness, Black Canary, Giganta, Raven, Starfire, etc, I don't see the argument? Plus I think DC has done a better job than Marvel overall in their treatment of female characters in their comics. You had Black Canary leading the Justice League and the wonderful characterization of Barbara Gordon as Oracle, whose def one of the more important DC characters. 

Don't get me wrong. I'm in no way making this a DC vs Marvel thing. I grew up with titles from the big 2 + independents. Since you talk about aesthetics, I think Hela from Marvel is the most visually stunning villainess and a pure badass to boot.
http://t1.gstatic.co...nBXd-zp1GY8RbWi

Same with the look of Jean as the Phoenix avatar..one of my fav comics was from a "What If Phoenix Hadn't Died?"

Modifié par chrisuuuu, 02 janvier 2012 - 07:16 .

[chrisuuuu]

Conan had a funny segment regarding people not being able to hear Bane's dialogue in the prologue and trailers for DKR..

http://www.cnn.com/v...-understand.tbs

[SpiderFan1217]

Was gonna make a thread to talk about the Avengers movie, but then I remembered I had this one. What did you guys think? Personally, I have a new favorite CB movie.