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[TeachingFellow]

It's one thing if there is a voiceless PC.  However, EA is going to hype the hell out of Hawke (and only the male Hawke, mind you, even if the actress is just as good or even better than the actor) and God forbid that a heterosexual male in the year 2010 even has to think that us gays exist, led alone be presented the option to play as a homosexual.  There will be a lesbian romance option, because straight men fetishize lesbianism, and the absence of the gay male option will draw attention to that fact and detract from the feeling of open-minded inclusion for some lesbian players. 

We will--at best--be "treated" to a few effiminate stereotypes.  We will certainly not see a Zevran.  Or, at worst, we will see someone who is exactly like Zevran, but without the depth of character to rise a little above the stereotypes.

Prove me wrong, Bioware.  Make a game that is respectful towards all of your fanbase.  You don't have to pander to us, but at least include us.  You did it once before, now let's try for two out of two. 

But I hope nobody holds their breath.

P.S.--I know that Bioware representatives are really good about reading and responding to the forums, but please, don't give me any of that "wait and see" crap; just "you are wrong" or "you are right" or keep your mouths shut.  I know full well that the reality is that I will probably be long dead before the stigma of homosexuality is eased to the point that a mass-appeal commercial product can truly include us, and your corporate masters absolutely have the right to dictate your design process to maximize profit.  Just don't try to hand-wave it away now, because that's only going to underline the bitter realities of our society when or if I play the final product and see them play out clear as day.

[andar91]

I think that Bioware will probably provide same-sex options for both genders. I was worried about Zevran at first because he seemed like a bit of a stereotype, but his character was much more interesting than that. Honestly, I think Bioware is really ahead of the curve on this one compared to a lot of other developers. Only time will tell, though.

[Bryy_Miller]

Dude. Homosexuality was in DA1. It was in ME1 and ME2 with Liara. Please don't make threads just to complain about how hard it is for your sexuality, becuse let me tell you, it does the exact opposite of making people feel like homosexuality is worth it.

Modifié par Bryy_Miller, 16 juillet 2010 - 02:54 .

[Dave of Canada]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Dude. Homosexuality was in DA1. It was in ME1. It's in ME2. Please don't make threads just to complain about how hard it is for your sexuality, becuse let me tell you, it does the exact opposite of making people feel like homosexuality is worth it.

It wasn't in Mass Effect 2 unless you counted the ME1 romance and it was female only.

[Bryy_Miller]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Dude. Homosexuality was in DA1. It was in ME1. It's in ME2. Please don't make threads just to complain about how hard it is for your sexuality, becuse let me tell you, it does the exact opposite of making people feel like homosexuality is worth it.

It wasn't in Mass Effect 2 unless you counted the ME1 romance and it was female only.

That's what I mean.

[mosaiclobster]

Well how exactly can we say "you're right" or "you're wrong," unless you're actually telling the devs to shut their mouths?



I think we have to keep in mind that DA:O had similar marketing for the male PC. The "Sacred Ashes" trailer comes to mind- that character was extremely masculine, he was like a typical meathead action star. Despite that, Bioware actually delivered in-game, giving us same sex romances and male/female PCs.



Based on that, I'm going to bet that we'll still be afforded the same options in DA2. Especially since, however they may be marketing Hawke, we still get to customize him or her, decide how masculine or feminine they look, how they'll behave. They're trying to suck people in with the things they're used to and comfortable with, but I truly believe the game itself will give us those same types of options.

[Dave of Canada]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

That's what I mean.

The thread is "male romance options", though.

[GodWood]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Dude. Homosexuality was in DA1. It was in ME1. It's in ME2. Please don't make threads just to complain about how hard it is for your sexuality, becuse let me tell you, it does the exact opposite of making people feel like homosexuality is worth it.

It wasn't in Mass Effect 2 unless you counted the ME1 romance and it was female only.

Well there was Kelly (sort of) and Samara (sort of), then there was the whole seducing Morinth thing and Shiala also seems to offer femshep a good time.
Not much on the M/M front though.

[Bryy_Miller]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

That's what I mean.

The thread is "male romance options", though.

Yes, but one of the statements Fellow made was that homosexuality has never been in a Bioware video game ever never ever. 

[Dave of Canada]

GodWood wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Bryy_Miller
wrote...

Dude. Homosexuality was in DA1. It was in ME1. It's in
ME2. Please don't make threads just to complain about how hard it is for
your sexuality, becuse let me tell you, it does the exact opposite of
making people feel like homosexuality is worth it.

It
wasn't in Mass Effect 2 unless you counted the ME1 romance and it was
female only.

Well there was Kelly (sort of) and Samara
(sort of), then there was the whole seducing Morinth thing and Shiala
also seems to offer femshep a good time.
Not much on the M/M
front though.

Kelly wasn't really a romance though, she was a psychiatrist!
Samara has a romance?
Straight women could still seduce people like Morinth if it gave what they wanted and this was to be seduced by Morinth to isolate her, it's not much of a romance but more of a strategy.
Shiala was ME1, I don't really count that because of what the Doctors said regarding ME2 (that they see Shepard as straight and that's how they are building the game).

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 16 juillet 2010 - 03:03 .

[andar91]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

That's what I mean.

The thread is "male romance options", though.

Yes, but one of the statements Fellow made was that homosexuality has never been in a Bioware video game ever never ever. 

I don't think he said that.

[SDNcN]

Couldn't you also romance Sky while playing as a male in Jade Empire?

Modifié par SDNcN, 16 juillet 2010 - 03:00 .

[thatguy212]

I bet they will have homosexual romances for males, here's my bet

[GodWood]

SDNcN wrote...
Couldn't you also romance Sky while playing as a male in Jade Empire?

Yes you could.

[Biserthebomb]

You have to understand that Hawke (most likely, I could be wrong) is supposed to be a manly character. Now it may be true that he would still be a man should he choose to become homosexual, but you have to understand the desire to be manly stems from the urge to appear manly/attractive to females, a stupid practice that us heterosexuals are involved in, I know, but usually homosexuals do not feel they need to be something they are not (at least in the way of being manly). I could be wrong, but I think a pre-conceived manly character would be heterosexual.

[Bryy_Miller]

andar91 wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

That's what I mean.

The thread is "male romance options", though.

Yes, but one of the statements Fellow made was that homosexuality has never been in a Bioware video game ever never ever. 

I don't think he said that.

You're right, he didn't. I forgot to read what he wrote after "there won't even be any homosexual AT ALL", which was "BioWare are a bunch of sexist pigs who enjoy watching digital women screw".

And people wonder why these boards are so homophobic.

[Eskarne]

Biserthebomb wrote...

You have to understand that Hawke (most likely, I could be wrong) is supposed to be a manly character. Now it may be true that he would still be a man should he choose to become homosexual, but you have to understand the desire to be manly stems from the urge to appear manly/attractive to females, a stupid practice that us heterosexuals are involved in, I know, but usually homosexuals do not feel they need to be something they are not (at least in the way of being manly). I could be wrong, but I think a pre-conceived manly character would be heterosexual.

I have yet to meet a homosexual man that fits this idea.

[David Gaider]

TeachingFellow wrote...
P.S.--I know that Bioware representatives are really good about reading and responding to the forums, but please, don't give me any of that "wait and see" crap; just "you are wrong" or "you are right" or keep your mouths shut.

Wow.

So it's "tell us right now that it's in or it's clearly not and you're a bunch of bastards"? 

Well, alrighty then. Since we're not talking about many features yet, romances of any sort included, I guess bastards it is. Sorry to disappoint you.

[Coyote Hunter]

From a business standpoint, I don't think it will ever make sense to spend millions of dollars and years of extremely talented people's lives to develop an entertainment product, only to alienate a significant portion of their paying audience with something so controversial, with the only purpose being to

service the egos of so few. I think you hit the nail on the head with your "corporate masters" remark, but having read these forums for years, I get the feeling that some of the more creative minds at BioWare are very activist at heart. I'd bet money that we would see a couple party members develop a homosexual romance, but that Hawke himself will only indulge the opposite gender, if he's not too busy being all angsty and rage fueled like the way I intend to play him.



Female Hawke may be another story, because dudes love watching lesbians mack.

[Dave of Canada]

Biserthebomb wrote...

You have to understand that Hawke (most likely, I could be wrong) is supposed to be a manly character. Now it may be true that he would still be a man should he choose to become homosexual, but you have to understand the desire to be manly stems from the urge to appear manly/attractive to females, a stupid practice that us heterosexuals are involved in, I know, but usually homosexuals do not feel they need to be something they are not (at least in the way of being manly). I could be wrong, but I think a pre-conceived manly character would be heterosexual.

But stereotypes are often wrong, thinking that manly characters cannot have romantic relationships with other men is a horrible stereotype. Many fans of Judas Priest would never have thought that Rob Halford would've been homosexual due to his appearence in the public eye as a bad boy, yet that's just because the human brain stereotypes homosexual men as feminine.

Giving the option to people won't ruin the character in the eyes of people, they won't say Hawke is a terrible character because he has an option to be intimate with another man. Many characters grew attached to their Warden even though Leliana and Zevran were available.

[Biserthebomb]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Biserthebomb wrote...

You have to understand that Hawke (most likely, I could be wrong) is supposed to be a manly character. Now it may be true that he would still be a man should he choose to become homosexual, but you have to understand the desire to be manly stems from the urge to appear manly/attractive to females, a stupid practice that us heterosexuals are involved in, I know, but usually homosexuals do not feel they need to be something they are not (at least in the way of being manly). I could be wrong, but I think a pre-conceived manly character would be heterosexual.

But stereotypes are often wrong, thinking that manly characters cannot have romantic relationships with other men is a horrible stereotype. Many fans of Judas Priest would never have thought that Rob Halford would've been homosexual due to his appearence in the public eye as a bad boy, yet that's just because the human brain stereotypes homosexual men as feminine.

Giving the option to people won't ruin the character in the eyes of people, they won't say Hawke is a terrible character because he has an option to be intimate with another man. Many characters grew attached to their Warden even though Leliana and Zevran were available.

This is true, it is mostly a stereotype indeed, but one that was present in Mass Effect 2, causing me to believe that Dragon Age 2 could possibly go the same route.

[GodWood]

The introduction thing says "fight like a spartan" so who's to say you won't be able love like one too?

[andar91]

GodWood wrote...

The introduction thing says "fight like a spartan" so who's to say you won't be able love like one too?

Good point. And they were a very tough army who, by many accounts, was masculine.

[Dave of Canada]

GodWood wrote...

The introduction thing says "fight like a spartan" so who's to say you won't be able love like one too?

Probably a 'cool' term to appeal to the people who watched or played all the recent stories filled with spartans, when people read up on the game they are like "OMG I CAN BE LIKE GOD OF WAR" (I know his name is Kratos) or "OMG ISTZ LIKE 300 THE GAME"

[Narreneth]

Alexander the Great is about as manly as they come and guess whaaaaaat?