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[MiSsSmOkEy20]

Addai67 wrote...

Gegenlicht wrote...

Suron wrote...

give the homosexuals/Bi-Sexuals there thing sure...but Alistair is not, and never will be, gay...as an example.

I know this is just stereotyping, but out of all the people in your party, Alistair is kind of on top of the 'most likely to be homosexual' list. Plus, being a virgin it's not like he'd really know what he'd enjoy.

Alistair seems like a guy's guy to me so no surprise he was straight.  And I'm glad they didn't make that an iffy thing for his or Morrigan's character.  Some people are just straight, and to have it otherwise wouldn't be realistic.

On that note, being a virgin has nothing to do with anything.  I can tell you for 100% that even as a virgin, I knew what I preferred.

I agree being a virgin doesnt mean you dont know exactly what you like. Ive never been with a girl but I know I prefer men, and Im sure there is a gay man who has never been with a women but knows he prefers men.

[Jimmy Fury]

Bluto Blutarskyx wrote...

Gegenlicht wrote...

Suron
wrote...

give the homosexuals/Bi-Sexuals there thing sure...but
Alistair is not, and never will be, gay...as an example.

I
know this is just stereotyping, but out of all the people in your
party, Alistair is kind of on top of the 'most likely to be homosexual'
list. Plus, being a virgin it's not like he'd really know what he'd
enjoy.

really?

for me it was him bieng raised as a templar and having pillow fights with the "other boys",

of the two, i would have thought allistiar to be the most likely candidate to be open to male male sex.

of the two females- i can see for story purposes how they limited morrigan- because morrigan with male pc would further her ultimate goals- morrigan with female would fit, but not as squarely i think- but IMO it should have been an option- but maybe a more difficult one.

leliana was fine as is.

(hehe I fixed your quote tree)

Sorry but I have to declare you all wrong.
The alistair moment that most called into question his sexuality was, without question....


(drumroll please)


That whole bloody conversation about licking lamp posts.

[SpiderFan1217]

Is there seriously 13 pages here of people complaining that they might not get to be gay in a game that doesn't come out for over a half a year?

[joriandrake]

Jimmy Fury wrote...

Bluto Blutarskyx wrote...

Gegenlicht wrote...

Suron
wrote...

give the homosexuals/Bi-Sexuals there thing sure...but
Alistair is not, and never will be, gay...as an example.

I
know this is just stereotyping, but out of all the people in your
party, Alistair is kind of on top of the 'most likely to be homosexual'
list. Plus, being a virgin it's not like he'd really know what he'd
enjoy.

really?

for me it was him bieng raised as a templar and having pillow fights with the "other boys",

of the two, i would have thought allistiar to be the most likely candidate to be open to male male sex.

of the two females- i can see for story purposes how they limited morrigan- because morrigan with male pc would further her ultimate goals- morrigan with female would fit, but not as squarely i think- but IMO it should have been an option- but maybe a more difficult one.

leliana was fine as is.

(hehe I fixed your quote tree)

Sorry but I have to declare you all wrong.
The alistair moment that most called into question his sexuality was, without question....


(drumroll please)


That whole bloody conversation about licking lamp posts.

for me that was like a Dumb&Dumber reference gone awry

[joriandrake]

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

Is there seriously 13 pages here of people complaining that they might not get to be gay in a game that doesn't come out for over a half a year?

not really, just 6 or 7

[Jimmy Fury]

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

Is there seriously 13 pages here of people complaining that they might not get to be gay in a game that doesn't come out for over a half a year?

No. No there isn't.
There's 13 pages of people discussing the general concept of same sex romance and how it might apply to DA2.
Only a small portion of it is complaining.

[Monstruo696]

MiSsSmOkEy20 wrote...

I agree being a virgin doesnt mean you dont know exactly what you like. Ive never been with a girl but I know I prefer men, and Im sure there is a gay man who has never been with a women but knows he prefers men.

"I've never had an apple, but I know I prefer oranges instead."

Sorry, doesn't work that way.  Whether a specific gender turns you on or not does not require you to have lost your virginity.

Come back and discuss this when you have a basic understanding of the human psyche.

[Saibh]

Jimmy Fury wrote...

Bluto Blutarskyx wrote...

Gegenlicht wrote...

Suron
wrote...

give the homosexuals/Bi-Sexuals there thing sure...but
Alistair is not, and never will be, gay...as an example.

I
know this is just stereotyping, but out of all the people in your
party, Alistair is kind of on top of the 'most likely to be homosexual'
list. Plus, being a virgin it's not like he'd really know what he'd
enjoy.

really?

for me it was him bieng raised as a templar and having pillow fights with the "other boys",

of the two, i would have thought allistiar to be the most likely candidate to be open to male male sex.

of the two females- i can see for story purposes how they limited morrigan- because morrigan with male pc would further her ultimate goals- morrigan with female would fit, but not as squarely i think- but IMO it should have been an option- but maybe a more difficult one.

leliana was fine as is.

(hehe I fixed your quote tree)

Sorry but I have to declare you all wrong.
The alistair moment that most called into question his sexuality was, without question....


(drumroll please)


That whole bloody conversation about licking lamp posts.

Ah, but that's the very thing: the dialogue is explicitly changed from a female's version. He's much more suggestive and all about making you blush and flirting if you're a girl; as a guy, the only thing he's trying to do is deflect you asking him if he's a virgin or not. Just listen to him put the emphasis on licked and lamppost as a girl, and then the difference as a guy.

[SpiderFan1217]

Oh, as long as there isn't 13 pages. Cause all signs point to there being gay li's for everyone. It would be sad to see people still complaining that much.

[Monstruo696]

I don't even see why people are complaining. It's not like they won't just mod the game to see their character as the opposite gender anyways.

[Sylvius the Mad]

David Gaider wrote...

Being able to include any kind of content that's really only useable by a relatively small percentage of the player base is often problematic-- it's not an issue of "want to" but rather "able to".

You say that like straight players can't enjoy gay romances.

And I know you know that's not true.

[SpiderFan1217]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Being able to include any kind of content that's really only useable by a relatively small percentage of the player base is often problematic-- it's not an issue of "want to" but rather "able to".

You say that like straight players can't enjoy gay romances.

And I know you know that's not true.

I'm sorry.... what?

[Saibh]

Monstruo696 wrote...
I don't even see why people are complaining. It's not like they won't just mod the game to see their character as the opposite gender anyways.

Wow. That's like...really offensive. Because there's a difference between Alistair calling your character "she", "my wife", "beautiful lady" and then actually referring to him as a he. Besides that, the same-sex romances have seperate dialogue from the straight versions.

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Being able to include any kind of content that's really only useable by a relatively small percentage of the player base is often problematic-- it's not an issue of "want to" but rather "able to".

You say that like straight players can't enjoy gay romances.

And I know you know that's not true.

The point was, the majority of people won't enjoy them--or rather, won't even make use of them. This is very, very true.

Modifié par Saibh, 16 juillet 2010 - 11:33 .

[Monstruo696]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

You say that like straight players can't enjoy gay romances.

And I know you know that's not true.

Oh you!

[Aniki_21]

When it comes down to it this issue has nothing to do with  what one may think is "fair". It just comes down to what you want. I think it's extremely arrogant that rather than be appreciative that the people at Bioware have gone out of their way over the years to include such content in their games, some people are demanding it as if it's some sort of right. Bioware has continued to do this in spite of the fact that the majority of it's gamerbase have no interest in said content and/or would prefer if it were not be included at all

Modifié par Aniki_21, 17 juillet 2010 - 12:02 .

[Deviija]

Aniki_21 wrote...
 in spite of the fact that the majority of it's gamerbase have no interest in said content and/or would prefer if it were not be included at all

That is a fact you know absolutely to be true, is it?   I must have missed the scientific study. 

[joriandrake]

Monstruo696 wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

You say that like straight players can't enjoy gay romances.

And I know you know that's not true.

Oh you!

Tooltime Approved!

[Kalcalan]

AllThatJazz wrote...

So straight gamers shouldn't be allowed explore an in-game gay romance? Or just not be allowed to enjoy it? Perhaps we should all express our real-life sexual preference before playing the game, so that certain options are denied us.
And to clarify, I don't find ANY 'virtual' romance titillating. Just a diverting part of playing a game.

Quite right AllThatJazz!

I've said it before but there is nothing wrong with playing a character that is different from your real self.

That's what makes the game worth playing over and over again.

I think Zevran is a very interesting character and I've only killed him when I could see no reason for my character to spare him (mostly playing an evil bastard or a ruthless self righteous elf hater). I've played through the Zevran romance with both male and female characters and it is quite good. I also had Zevran in games in which the Grey Warden politely declined because he was straight.

I'm arguing that we (and I mean all players regardless of their gender or sexual orientation) have nothing to lose by having that possibility in game, if anything it can only bring more depth and possibilities to the game.

I understand that it is a big deal for some people but in this day and age we could expect people to recognize the right for others to assume their homosexuality should they choose to.

If I want my character to be gay I will play that character accordingly and that won't make me in real life less straight. Roleplaying is about playing a role. In real life I don't go around waving a sword and killing Darkspawns... My character is not me and that is the very first basis of RPGs.

Now to argue that people play romances (same sex or otherwise) in order to get sexually aroused is just preposterous.

Modifié par Kalcalan, 17 juillet 2010 - 12:11 .

[Madame November]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Being able to include any kind of content that's really only useable by a relatively small percentage of the player base is often problematic-- it's not an issue of "want to" but rather "able to".

You say that like straight players can't enjoy gay romances.

And I know you know that's not true.

<3<3<3THIS<3<3<3

[Aniki_21]

Deviija wrote...

Aniki_21 wrote...
 in spite of the fact that the majority of it's gamerbase have no interest in said content and/or would prefer if it were not be included at all

That is a fact you know absolutely to be true, is it?   I must have missed the scientific study. 

It's generally understood that the gamers who actively want this are in the minority. This has been discussed in this thread and David Gaider basically said as much .

[yogolol]

Aniki_21 wrote...

When it comes down to it this issue has nothing to do with  what one may think is "fair". It just comes down to what you want. I think it's extremely arrogant that rather than be appreciative that the people at Bioware have gone out of their way over the years to include such content in their games, some people are demanding it as if it's some sort of right. Bioware has continued to do this in spite of the fact that the majority of it's gamerbase have no interest in said content and/or would prefer if it were not be included at all

Think of it the other way around, say homosexuals were the majority and you were straight and nearly every game that had sex scenes would have gay ones, except for this one company. Wouldn't you be a little annoyed? Though the OP shouldn't of demanded it but asked for it instead. Also this is a roleplaying game and people who play it probably roleplay when playing it so for the sake of another replay they might roleplay as a homosexual and really I enjoyed that it was a option (and im straight) because it made me appreciate Bioware more and it stood them out from all the other gaming companies and made them unique.

The only problem I could see is the VO messing it up trying to act gay and feel really awkard doing it. Though he is a actor so he should be able to make it sound fine.

[Aniki_21]

yogolol wrote...

Aniki_21 wrote...

When it comes down to it this issue has nothing to do with  what one may think is "fair". It just comes down to what you want. I think it's extremely arrogant that rather than be appreciative that the people at Bioware have gone out of their way over the years to include such content in their games, some people are demanding it as if it's some sort of right. Bioware has continued to do this in spite of the fact that the majority of it's gamerbase have no interest in said content and/or would prefer if it were not be included at all

Think of it the other way around, say homosexuals were the majority and you were straight and nearly every game that had sex scenes would have gay ones, except for this one company. Wouldn't you be a little annoyed? Though the OP shouldn't of demanded it but asked for it instead. Also this is a roleplaying game and people who play it probably roleplay when playing it so for the sake of another replay they might roleplay as a homosexual and really I enjoyed that it was a option (and im straight) because it made me appreciate Bioware more and it stood them out from all the other gaming companies and made them unique.

The only problem I could see is the VO messing it up trying to act gay and feel really awkard doing it. Though he is a actor so he should be able to make it sound fine.

What make any one particular subgroup "entitled" to be represendted. I've yet to see a transgendered person/romance in any Bioware game.  Edit: Wait nevermind if forgot about the cross dressing dwarf at the ****house *shutters* . Still there are many other types of people who have gotten much less acknowledgement than those who want same sex romances.

Modifié par Aniki_21, 17 juillet 2010 - 12:31 .

[Monstruo696]

Deviija wrote...

Aniki_21 wrote...

in spite of the fact that the majority of it's gamerbase have no interest in said content and/or would prefer if it were not be included at all

That is a fact you know absolutely to be true, is it? I must have missed the scientific study.

Yes.



A 13 page thread is nothing.



This is a handful of players compared to the people that:



a) Don't care about same-sex relatioships.



Don't want same-sex relatioships.

[TheMufflon]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Being able to include any kind of content that's really only useable by a relatively small percentage of the player base is often problematic-- it's not an issue of "want to" but rather "able to".

You say that like straight players can't enjoy gay romances.

Really? Looks to me like he's saying is that most players don't enjoy homosexual romances as much as heterosexual ones. Which seems to be an accurate assessment.

[Saibh]

Aniki_21 wrote...

yogolol wrote...

Aniki_21 wrote...

When it comes down to it this issue has nothing to do with  what one may think is "fair". It just comes down to what you want. I think it's extremely arrogant that rather than be appreciative that the people at Bioware have gone out of their way over the years to include such content in their games, some people are demanding it as if it's some sort of right. Bioware has continued to do this in spite of the fact that the majority of it's gamerbase have no interest in said content and/or would prefer if it were not be included at all

Think of it the other way around, say homosexuals were the majority and you were straight and nearly every game that had sex scenes would have gay ones, except for this one company. Wouldn't you be a little annoyed? Though the OP shouldn't of demanded it but asked for it instead. Also this is a roleplaying game and people who play it probably roleplay when playing it so for the sake of another replay they might roleplay as a homosexual and really I enjoyed that it was a option (and im straight) because it made me appreciate Bioware more and it stood them out from all the other gaming companies and made them unique.

The only problem I could see is the VO messing it up trying to act gay and feel really awkard doing it. Though he is a actor so he should be able to make it sound fine.

What make any one particular subgroup "entitled" to be represendted. I've yet to see a transgendered person/romance in any Bioware game.  Edit: Wait nevermind if forgot about the cross dressing dwarf at the ****house *shutters* . Still there are many other types of people who have gotten much less acknowledgement than those who want same sex romances.

Socially? Politically? No, one subgroup has no more entitlement than another. But you're talking about economically to a company not here to make a statement, not to advance a cause, but to make money. That's what it boils down to. They cannot make a romance that only appeals to a few people just so those few people are happy with it. If you're not understanding this, make your own game. I'm sorry, I want to say it nicer, I want to sugar-coat it, but I think you've read the sugar-coating and you're not understanding that this is what it boils down to.

Modifié par Saibh, 17 juillet 2010 - 12:41 .