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[winter troll]

ok here is great quest for when you have a gay elf in your party : go in town to get chastity belt for the elf so your hero can rest peacefully at night .

[winter troll]

virginity has nothing to do with your sexual orientation , genetic mutation on other had does ( there is new science article talking about creating gay mice by deleting gene responsible for production of specific hormone resulting in female mice trying to mate with other females ) .

So if Alister says he likes girls , it means he likes Girls, experience doesn't matter .

[Anakin22]

won't work, stick it to the Gender Male-female romance...less press, less media-hype, no more offending people. I know, but it best to keep it in the Closet- to avoids law suit, religious debates...as we understands, we are far to go there in video games...as to keep gamin' goin' into DA 3, looks at Ultima, the best RPG I've been playing, Plus the Bard Tales 1 & 2! No romance- Keep it safe, have nothing to do with male/female...but can be offenses to people- I have g ay & l esbion friends...they think it silly to adds to the game- be smart about this people

[Wittand25]

Anakin22 wrote...

won't work, stick it to the Gender Male-female romance...less press, less media-hype, no more offending people. I know, but it best to keep it in the Closet- to avoids law suit, religious debates...as we understands, we are far to go there in video games...as to keep gamin' goin' into DA 3, looks at Ultima, the best RPG I've been playing, Plus the Bard Tales 1 & 2! No romance- Keep it safe, have nothing to do with male/female...but can be offenses to people- I have g ay & l esbion friends...they think it silly to adds to the game- be smart about this people

You do know that both m/m and f/f romances are part of DA:O right ? There was no negative feedback to speak of but I remember quite a lot of positive remarks about that in varios media.

[Firky]

Did you just use Ultima as an example of no same sex romance?

There were those Baths in Ultima VII...

EDIT: Also, even the original Sims had a same sex romance option - with the second ep anyway I believe. I don't recall any outcry about that and The Sims is probably more like a "family" kind of game .

Modifié par Firky, 17 juillet 2010 - 03:08 .

[TheMufflon]

Anakin22 wrote...

won't work, stick it to the Gender Male-female romance...less press, less media-hype, no more offending people. I know, but it best to keep it in the Closet- to avoids law suit, religious debates...as we understands, we are far to go there in video games...as to keep gamin' goin' into DA 3, looks at Ultima, the best RPG I've been playing, Plus the Bard Tales 1 & 2! No romance- Keep it safe, have nothing to do with male/female...but can be offenses to people- I have g ay & l esbion friends...they think it silly to adds to the game- be smart about this people

Not doing something because you don't want to stand up for what you believe in is probably the worst reason not to do something. Besides, there is no bad publicity.

[SaltyWound]

If there are no m/m romances in Dragon Age 2, I heavily doubt I'll buy it. Because it would mean going back on a previous decision that did not hurt sales at all and made many players happy. I would be very disappointed in a developer I have always held in incredibly high esteem.

[SteamPunks]

OP is best troll ever.

But seriously, a good chunk of the world is religious. Some of those religions see homosexuality as a sin. Therefore a good chunk of the world would see it as such. I suggest you work on gay rights and marriage first.

I believe there should be an option, however others will still disapprove. Whether it is an option or not. Majority of consumers like heterosexual males as main hero more than homosexual male. 

I personally did not like Zevran. He came across as a **** to me. I'm positive that is not how gays want to be represented. Other people saw him differently, and whatever happens Hawke will be seen in different views. 

Modifié par SteamPunks, 17 juillet 2010 - 03:38 .

[Gaxhung]

Jimmy Fury wrote...

Gaxhung wrote...
Whats homoerotic about, figting lke a spartan?

oh cheeses nevermind they were both just jokes. Must everything on the boards be turned into a debate lately. 
Fine you're both right. There's nothing even remoootely homoerotic about dudes in leather underpants or licking posts of any sort. Hurray for you.

to quote St. Kitten... all of a sudden everybody's getting serious. serious, serious, serious.

Never thought that 300 is softporn for gays. Sigh. I suppose its just like women never suspect we like watching them pick cucumbers at the supermarket. In the actual time period in history, did Spartans even wear underwear? Prancing about all fit and muscular without underwear in a miniskirt, gulp.

[Saibh]

Gaxhung wrote...

Jimmy Fury wrote...

Gaxhung wrote...
Whats homoerotic about, figting lke a spartan?

oh cheeses nevermind they were both just jokes. Must everything on the boards be turned into a debate lately. 
Fine you're both right. There's nothing even remoootely homoerotic about dudes in leather underpants or licking posts of any sort. Hurray for you.

to quote St. Kitten... all of a sudden everybody's getting serious. serious, serious, serious.

Never thought that 300 is softporn for gays. Sigh. I suppose its just like women never suspect we like watching them pick cucumbers at the supermarket. In the actual time period in history, did Spartans even wear underwear? Prancing about all fit and muscular without underwear in a miniskirt, gulp.

What.

[Darthnemesis2]

*Just finished wading through all 15 pages*

There's too many posts that i'd have liked to comment on, and I'm not going to try to quote them all. But overall I think that dispite the fact Hawke is supposed to be a more 'defined' character (ala Shep) I'd be willing to put money on m/m romance in this game. Gaider's comments seem eerily similar to comments made prior to the release of DA:O regarding s/s. Add to that the whole "Hawke is more customisable than Shep" speech we keep getting from other Devs and its looking even more promising. I don't want to get into the whole "too gay/not right gay/whatever" discussion, and I did like Zev (looks at sig:wub:) but I don't want to see a clone of Zev as the (supposed) m/m romance option.

[Sylvius the Mad]

TheMufflon wrote...

Really? Looks to me like he's saying is that most players don't enjoy homosexual romances as much as heterosexual ones. Which seems to be an accurate assessment.

He's saying that most players can't play them.  Perhaps he means they can't enjoy them, which I still think is a stretch.

They won't play them, yes, but that's choice, not a necessary result of the nature of the players.

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

David Gaider wrote...

TeachingFellow wrote...
I really do hope that Dragon Age continues to be a high-point for gays in video games.  However, I don't want to be one of those who champions something as a given only to be betrayed in the end.  I'd rather sheepishly apologize later for--unintentionally--inflammatory comments than come on after the game is out and say "I was sure they wouldn't forget us in this game."  I don't know what DA2 will be like, and I do hope that I'm wrong, but yelling at me to wait until I hear more won't change the truth of what I said if I happen to be right.

Well, how about this then: we're very aware of the desires of our fans when it comes to romances, whether they be homosexual or otherwise. Being able to include any kind of content that's really only useable by a relatively small percentage of the player base is often problematic-- it's not an issue of "want to" but rather "able to". There's also the issue of where you put the resources you have-- adding content for extra player options is great, but if they're options that many players will not use or event want to use it's not necessarily the best use of those resources. I can't really fault a decision to provide more options for a greater amount of players as opposed to less options for everyone.

There's a fallacy at work among people who come to these forums that romances, once they're included in a game, become a right-- that if we have romances they must be allocated "fairly" or it's disciminatory. But you don't have a right to romances in a game-- any more than you have a right to free worship or to be an elf. It's a difficult issue to discuss, because we don't look on it as an issue of fairness. It's content, like any other sort of content, and we'll only ever be able to include a limited amount of it so we have to make the best of it we can, and we're always going to try and be inclusive of as many of our players' desires are we can.

That is the official story, but only an idiot believes the official story. It seems here you are making excuses as to why there wont be gay romance option stating that "it would be too much work" when really the reason is you dont want us turning your character (yes it is your character, you made that clear when you striped our ability to customize him) into a gay one, at least Ray Muzyka was honest about why Shepard wasnt able to be gay.

[Saibh]

Mr Mxyzptlk wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

TeachingFellow wrote...
I really do hope that Dragon Age continues to be a high-point for gays in video games.  However, I don't want to be one of those who champions something as a given only to be betrayed in the end.  I'd rather sheepishly apologize later for--unintentionally--inflammatory comments than come on after the game is out and say "I was sure they wouldn't forget us in this game."  I don't know what DA2 will be like, and I do hope that I'm wrong, but yelling at me to wait until I hear more won't change the truth of what I said if I happen to be right.

Well, how about this then: we're very aware of the desires of our fans when it comes to romances, whether they be homosexual or otherwise. Being able to include any kind of content that's really only useable by a relatively small percentage of the player base is often problematic-- it's not an issue of "want to" but rather "able to". There's also the issue of where you put the resources you have-- adding content for extra player options is great, but if they're options that many players will not use or event want to use it's not necessarily the best use of those resources. I can't really fault a decision to provide more options for a greater amount of players as opposed to less options for everyone.

There's a fallacy at work among people who come to these forums that romances, once they're included in a game, become a right-- that if we have romances they must be allocated "fairly" or it's disciminatory. But you don't have a right to romances in a game-- any more than you have a right to free worship or to be an elf. It's a difficult issue to discuss, because we don't look on it as an issue of fairness. It's content, like any other sort of content, and we'll only ever be able to include a limited amount of it so we have to make the best of it we can, and we're always going to try and be inclusive of as many of our players' desires are we can.

That is the official story, but only an idiot believes the official story. It seems here you are making excuses as to why there wont be gay romance option stating that "it would be too much work" when really the reason is you dont want us turning your character (yes it is your character, you made that clear when you striped our ability to customize him) into a gay one, at least Ray Muzyka was honest about why Shepard wasnt able to be gay.

I'll say it again: how about you try to make a big game like Mass Effect or Dragon Age? The time and effort and cost into making a romance that will appeal to such a small percentage of people isn't worth it, in the company's eyes.

[Wittand25]

Mr Mxyzptlk wrote...
That is the official story, but only an idiot believes the official story. It seems here you are making excuses as to why there wont be gay romance option stating that "it would be too much work" when really the reason is you dont want us turning your character (yes it is your character, you made that clear when you striped our ability to customize him) into a gay one, at least Ray Muzyka was honest about why Shepard wasnt able to be gay.

Hawke is as customisable as the young Cousland, who had the option to had the most homosexual sex in DA:O and was the iconic marketing character for the game. The only thing given about Hawke is background and voice, other characteristics like sex, class and appearance can be chosen by the player.

Modifié par Wittand25, 17 juillet 2010 - 04:41 .

[Darthnemesis2]

Wittand25 wrote...

Hawke is as customisable as the young Cousland, who had the option to had the most homosexual sex in DA:O and was the iconic marceting character for the game. The only thing given about Hawke is background and voice, other characteristics like sex, class and appearance can be chosen by the player.

Exactly.

[TheMufflon]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

They won't play them, yes, but that's choice, not a necessary result of the nature of the players.

If you choose not to do something because you don't enjoy it, that choice is clearly a result of your nature.

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Wittand25 wrote...

Mr Mxyzptlk wrote...
That is the official story, but only an idiot believes the official story. It seems here you are making excuses as to why there wont be gay romance option stating that "it would be too much work" when really the reason is you dont want us turning your character (yes it is your character, you made that clear when you striped our ability to customize him) into a gay one, at least Ray Muzyka was honest about why Shepard wasnt able to be gay.

Hawke is as customisable as the young Cousland, who had the option to had the most homosexual sex in DA:O and was the iconic marceting character for the game. The only thing given about Hawke is background and voice, other characteristics like sex, class and appearance can be chosen by the player.

Oh well EXCUUUUSSSEE ME Princess, I diddnt know that you got to see the game firsthand and experience all the customization options. I know that you can choose you characters class and sex and to some extent customize Hawke's appearance (however I highly doubt there will be as many options Origins had even in a single race) but I am sure that Bioware will be putting a few restictions on Hawkes personality, including making it impossible for Hawke to be gay.

[Collider]

Mr Mxyzptlk wrote...

Wittand25 wrote...

Mr Mxyzptlk wrote...
That is the official story, but only an idiot believes the official story. It seems here you are making excuses as to why there wont be gay romance option stating that "it would be too much work" when really the reason is you dont want us turning your character (yes it is your character, you made that clear when you striped our ability to customize him) into a gay one, at least Ray Muzyka was honest about why Shepard wasnt able to be gay.

Hawke is as customisable as the young Cousland, who had the option to had the most homosexual sex in DA:O and was the iconic marceting character for the game. The only thing given about Hawke is background and voice, other characteristics like sex, class and appearance can be chosen by the player.

Oh well EXCUUUUSSSEE ME Princess, I diddnt know that you got to see the game firsthand and experience all the customization options. I know that you can choose you characters class and sex and to some extent customize Hawke's appearance (however I highly doubt there will be as many options Origins had even in a single race) but I am sure that Bioware will be putting a few restictions on Hawkes personality, including making it impossible for Hawke to be gay.

Thank you, Nostradamus.

[Darthnemesis2]

Mr Mxyzptlk wrote...

Wittand25 wrote...

Hawke is as customisable as the young Cousland, who had the option to had the most homosexual sex in DA:O and was the iconic marceting character for the game. The only thing given about Hawke is background and voice, other characteristics like sex, class and appearance can be chosen by the player.

Oh well EXCUUUUSSSEE ME Princess, I diddnt know that you got to see the game firsthand and experience all the customization options. I know that you can choose you characters class and sex and to some extent customize Hawke's appearance (however I highly doubt there will be as many options Origins had even in a single race) but I am sure that Bioware will be putting a few restictions on Hawkes personality, including making it impossible for Hawke to be gay.

Soo... he's wrong because clearly he hasn't played the game. But, since you are obviously correct... How's the game Mxyzptlk?

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Saibh wrote...

Mr Mxyzptlk wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

TeachingFellow wrote...
I really do hope that Dragon Age continues to be a high-point for gays in video games.  However, I don't want to be one of those who champions something as a given only to be betrayed in the end.  I'd rather sheepishly apologize later for--unintentionally--inflammatory comments than come on after the game is out and say "I was sure they wouldn't forget us in this game."  I don't know what DA2 will be like, and I do hope that I'm wrong, but yelling at me to wait until I hear more won't change the truth of what I said if I happen to be right.

Well, how about this then: we're very aware of the desires of our fans when it comes to romances, whether they be homosexual or otherwise. Being able to include any kind of content that's really only useable by a relatively small percentage of the player base is often problematic-- it's not an issue of "want to" but rather "able to". There's also the issue of where you put the resources you have-- adding content for extra player options is great, but if they're options that many players will not use or event want to use it's not necessarily the best use of those resources. I can't really fault a decision to provide more options for a greater amount of players as opposed to less options for everyone.

There's a fallacy at work among people who come to these forums that romances, once they're included in a game, become a right-- that if we have romances they must be allocated "fairly" or it's disciminatory. But you don't have a right to romances in a game-- any more than you have a right to free worship or to be an elf. It's a difficult issue to discuss, because we don't look on it as an issue of fairness. It's content, like any other sort of content, and we'll only ever be able to include a limited amount of it so we have to make the best of it we can, and we're always going to try and be inclusive of as many of our players' desires are we can.

That is the official story, but only an idiot believes the official story. It seems here you are making excuses as to why there wont be gay romance option stating that "it would be too much work" when really the reason is you dont want us turning your character (yes it is your character, you made that clear when you striped our ability to customize him) into a gay one, at least Ray Muzyka was honest about why Shepard wasnt able to be gay.

I'll say it again: how about you try to make a big game like Mass Effect or Dragon Age? The time and effort and cost into making a romance that will appeal to such a small percentage of people isn't worth it, in the company's eyes.

Oh I am sure that making a game such as Dragon Age is a lot of work but I am sure it isnt that much work to make a love interest available to both sexes. Saying that it would be too much work to add a gay romance sounds more like a lame excuse rather than a valid reason. However I am not blaming Bioware for not including gay romances, it is their game and it is their choice to make however if I am to buy the game I think the least they can do is TELL US THE TRUTH.

[Jimmy Fury]

Saibh wrote...

Gaxhung wrote...

Jimmy Fury wrote...

Gaxhung wrote...
Whats homoerotic about, figting lke a spartan?

oh cheeses nevermind they were both just jokes. Must everything on the boards be turned into a debate lately. 
Fine you're both right. There's nothing even remoootely homoerotic about dudes in leather underpants or licking posts of any sort. Hurray for you.

to quote St. Kitten... all of a sudden everybody's getting serious. serious, serious, serious.

Never thought that 300 is softporn for gays. Sigh. I suppose its just like women never suspect we like watching them pick cucumbers at the supermarket. In the actual time period in history, did Spartans even wear underwear? Prancing about all fit and muscular without underwear in a miniskirt, gulp.

What.

omg mango soda just went up my nose...

And I'm not the biggest history buff but didn't the actual spartans fight... ya know... nekkid?
(you're right saibh there does need to be a proper blushing smiley...)
That's the potentially-historically-inaccurate thing I keep hearing at least.
-edit-
Oh and uhm... that's topical because... uhm... muscled greek warriors should be included in the game as romancable companions? yeah! that!

Modifié par Jimmy Fury, 17 juillet 2010 - 05:01 .

[Bryy_Miller]

TheMufflon wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Being able to include any kind of content that's really only useable by a relatively small percentage of the player base is often problematic-- it's not an issue of "want to" but rather "able to".

You say that like straight players can't enjoy gay romances.

Really? Looks to me like he's saying is that most players don't enjoy homosexual romances as much as heterosexual ones. Which seems to be an accurate assessment.

Exactly. It's not like he said "we're just not doing it". He said that it's one of the dieas that, for one reason or another, got left on the design meeting floor.

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Darthnemesis2 wrote...

Mr Mxyzptlk wrote...

Wittand25 wrote...

Hawke is as customisable as the young Cousland, who had the option to had the most homosexual sex in DA:O and was the iconic marceting character for the game. The only thing given about Hawke is background and voice, other characteristics like sex, class and appearance can be chosen by the player.

Oh well EXCUUUUSSSEE ME Princess, I diddnt know that you got to see the game firsthand and experience all the customization options. I know that you can choose you characters class and sex and to some extent customize Hawke's appearance (however I highly doubt there will be as many options Origins had even in a single race) but I am sure that Bioware will be putting a few restictions on Hawkes personality, including making it impossible for Hawke to be gay.

Soo... he's wrong because clearly he hasn't played the game. But, since you are obviously correct... How's the game Mxyzptlk?

I would tell you but then I would be spoiling the game for you and everyone else on these forums, I think it is best you find out on your own.

[Wittand25]

Mr Mxyzptlk wrote...
Oh well EXCUUUUSSSEE ME Princess, I diddnt know that you got to see the game firsthand and experience all the customization options. I know that you can choose you characters class and sex and to some extent customize Hawke's appearance (however I highly doubt there will be as many options Origins had even in a single race) but I am sure that Bioware will be putting a few restictions on Hawkes personality, including making it impossible for Hawke to be gay.

I have no first hand knowledge about the game true, but all the second hand knowledge (previews in magazines, post of Bioware employees here in the forum) I have points to the fact that Hawke can be customized in the same extent as the human noble in DA:O (with the exception of the battle cries of course). And of course his personality will be restricted, it is a game and only offers limited ways to play your character, just like any other Bioware game. E.g. you cannot play a coward in DA:O,at Flemeth´s hut  if you want to flee and leave Ferelden to its fate, you get whined into submission by Alistaire because otherwise the plot would not progress. I am 100% certain that similar restrictions will happen in DA2, but that is no reason to assume that a gay romance is out of the question.
And about David and other writers being evasive about the existence of s/s romances or romances in general.
It is quite early in the game´s developing process and any feature (especially such optional ones like romances) can still change. Think about the forum s***storm that would happen if they announce a romance option now and for some reason the romance or the whole NPC has to get cut (e.g the lesbian NPC that was part of a cut quest in ToEE, Shale in DA:O). That would be a hundret times worse than not confirming anything about the romances is right now.
I would not get to worried until we see the ESBR rating and/or previews of the final version, once those two are here there is still time to decide wheter to by the game or not.