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[poisonoustea]

Never thought that 300 is softporn for gays. Sigh. I suppose its just like women never suspect we like watching them pick cucumbers at the supermarket.

This made my day, and I didn't have my breakfast yet.

And I'm not the biggest history buff but didn't the actual spartans fight... ya know... nekkid?

Not really. The depiction of the naked male body was for aesthetic purposes. They wouldn't have won a single war if they fought naked.

It's awesome how this forum is still about two things: Tali hentai and same-sex, uh... sex.

Modifié par poisonoustea, 17 juillet 2010 - 05:14 .

[Saibh]

poisonoustea wrote...

Never thought that 300 is softporn for gays. Sigh. [b]I suppose its just like women never suspect we like watching them pick cucumbers at the supermarket.[b]

And I'm not the biggest history buff but didn't the actual spartans fight... ya know... nekkid?

Not really. The depiction of the naked male body was for aesthetic purposes. They wouldn't have won a single war if they fought naked.

The Celts did.

[poisonoustea]

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[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Wittand25 wrote...

Mr Mxyzptlk wrote...
Oh well EXCUUUUSSSEE ME Princess, I diddnt know that you got to see the game firsthand and experience all the customization options. I know that you can choose you characters class and sex and to some extent customize Hawke's appearance (however I highly doubt there will be as many options Origins had even in a single race) but I am sure that Bioware will be putting a few restictions on Hawkes personality, including making it impossible for Hawke to be gay.

I have no first hand knowledge about the game true, but all the second hand knowledge (previews in magazines, post of Bioware employees here in the forum) I have points to the fact that Hawke can be customized in the same extent as the human noble in DA:O (with the exception of the battle cries of course). And of course his personality will be restricted, it is a game and only offers limited ways to play your character, just like any other Bioware game. E.g. you cannot play a coward in DA:O,at Flemeth´s hut  if you want to flee and leave Ferelden to its fate, you get whined into submission by Alistaire because otherwise the plot would not progress. I am 100% certain that similar restrictions will happen in DA2, but that is no reason to assume that a gay romance is out of the question.
And about David and other writers being evasive about the existence of s/s romances or romances in general.
It is quite early in the game´s developing process and any feature (especially such optional ones like romances) can still change. Think about the forum s***storm that would happen if they announce a romance option now and for some reason the romance or the whole NPC has to get cut (e.g the lesbian NPC that was part of a cut quest in ToEE, Shale in DA:O). That would be a hundret times worse than not confirming anything about the romances is right now.
I would not get to worried until we see the ESBR rating and/or previews of the final version, once those two are here there is still time to decide wheter to by the game or not.

Yes there were some restrictions to how you played your character in Origins but not quite as many as Mass Effect and what will likely be the case in DA2. You say that you couldnt be a coward in Origins well my Human noble was a coward (to some degree at least), he resisted anything that would put him in harms way or inconvenience him in some way and to do anything even remotely dangerous he had to be pretty much forced, even when doing something dangerous he would try to find the easiest and least dangerous way (even if that involved killing a child in cold blood) and even fled the battle at Redcliffe. So yes you could be a coward in Origins it just depends on your imagination.

[Saibh]

poisonoustea wrote...

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...What? It wasn't...how should I know you had something to add?

[TheMufflon]

poisonoustea wrote...

Not really. The depiction of the naked male body was for aesthetic purposes. They wouldn't have won a single war if they fought naked.

Actually a lot of evidence suggests that they fought wearing very little.

[Onyx Jaguar]

They wore armor and helmets, I do not know if they had anything that protected their legs, but their shield strength and tactics sufficed

[TheMufflon]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

They wore armor and helmets, I do not know if they had anything that protected their legs, but their shield strength and tactics sufficed

From what I've heard Hoplites provided thier own equipment, and most people could only afford a spear, shield and sometimes a helmet. So the bulk of the army wore no armour.

Modifié par TheMufflon, 17 juillet 2010 - 05:29 .

[AllThatJazz]

Riona45 wrote...

AllThatJazz wrote...

Thanks, Riona45, although you still haven't clarified how my words pissed you off. I'm not baiting - I'm genuinely concerned. Pretty new on the forums, and really don't want to start alienating people.

I don't feel alienated by you.


As for what I said (which wasn't a personal comment directed at you, although I did quote you), I just believe that the main reason for having gay romances should be (ideally) for the benefit of gay players.  It's true that once they're in the game, it doesn't matter who plays them or why.  It's just that we straight people are essentially already very "catered to" when it comes to romance in these games.  I hope what I made to say is a bit clearer now, and I'm sorry if I caused any offense.

Many thanks, and I agree with your position on this 

More on topic - I actually think it would be great, in terms of depth of character development, if eg my straight female warden were to get turned down by a potential LI because he's gay. Companion characters with their own unique preferences would be very interesting. Don't see it happening in the near future, sadly.x 

Modifié par AllThatJazz, 17 juillet 2010 - 07:31 .

[Saibh]

AllThatJazz wrote...

Riona45 wrote...

AllThatJazz wrote...

Thanks, Riona45, although you still haven't clarified how my words pissed you off. I'm not baiting - I'm genuinely concerned. Pretty new on the forums, and really don't want to start alienating people.

I don't feel alienated by you.


As for what I said (which wasn't a personal comment directed at you, although I did quote you), I just believe that the main reason for having gay romances should be (ideally) for the benefit of gay players.  It's true that once they're in the game, it doesn't matter who plays them or why.  It's just that we straight people are essentially already very "catered to" when it comes to romance in these games.  I hope what I made to say is a bit clearer now, and I'm sorry if I caused any offense.

Many thanks, and I agree with your position on this 

More on topic - I actually think it would be great, in terms of depth of character development, if eg my straight female warden were to get turned down by a potential LI because he's gay. Companion characters with their own unique preferences would be very interesting. Don't see it happening in the near future, sadly.x 

Actually, I've always wanted a degree of this--to be able to hit on whomever you pleased, but not necessarily with preferred results. It certainly solves (and probably creates) some issues with "I want Sten to be romancable!" "I want Kasumi to be romancable!" and such, if you can hit on them and they sorry "nope, sorry".

[joriandrake]

TheMufflon wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

They wore armor and helmets, I do not know if they had anything that protected their legs, but their shield strength and tactics sufficed

From what I've heard Hoplites provided thier own equipment, and most people could only afford a spear, shield and sometimes a helmet. So the bulk of the army wore no armour.

for average greek hoplites this is true but not for spartans which may have been the first to have army standards in equipment, even their shields with the classic spartan symbol were identical

[sodomitebastard]

I won't boycott the game simply because of a lack of gay romance, though It will surely affect my gameplay experience if I can't play the character as I want. If there will be well worked and detailed straight love interests it will just make me even more bitter. That's the problem with ME (sorry for comparing, but meh). The romance was a pretty little detail, but It never effected me and engaged me as much as the one in DA:O where I actually could do as I would have done in real life. And yeah, I'm aware that romances is very much optional, though it still makes you bitter when others can eat the cookie offered and you can't just because you're allergic to peanuts ;P

Anyways, I'll be dissapointed if gay romances is not included, but as stated before by oh so many others, it's waaay to early to speculate about this at this point! All one can do is hold their fingers crossed and hope for the devs to do include it!

[Dee-Jay]

I think it depends on the main character.



If Hawke is like the DAO character, a largely open book that the player can fill, then ******-love might be an option.



In Mass Effect, Commander Shepperd wasn't an open book. He had more history attached and own voice and the story and interactions were a lot denser. That also excluded the possibility of ******-love.



Hawke seems to be somewhere in between these two. I could see it go either way but I since BioWare has done ******-love in the past, I don't see why they wouldn't do it again.

[HopHazzard]

Dee-Jay wrote...


In Mass Effect, Commander Shepperd wasn't an open book. He had more history attached and own voice and the story and interactions were a lot denser. That also excluded the possibility of ******-love.

I keep seeing this and I really don't get it. There's not a single thing in any of Shepard's available back stories that addresses his sexuality, he never mentions a previous hetero relationship in any of his conversations with npc's, and he's completely capable of telling every woman who hits on him that he's not interested. There's nothing set in stone about Shepard's sexuality at all.

[joriandrake]

Well, i guess it depends a lot on what age DA2 will have as target audience, wouldn't be surprised if for educational/health/avoiding media outcry reasons they would only include healthy male-female relationships.

[HopHazzard]

joriandrake wrote...

Well, i guess it depends a lot on what age DA2 will have as target audience, wouldn't be surprised if for educational/health/avoiding media outcry reasons they would only include healthy male-female relationships.

Especially with all the media backlash and poor sales of DA:O.


Oh, wait.

[ankuu]

I don't have anything against homosexual people, as a matter of fact one of my friends is a homosexual. What i want to know is why they want to show off so much, to stand out then they yell that why we are talking about them...



Sexual preference should remain intimate, for you and the partner it's not something to prade with, homosexual or not. To be insulted that a game doesn't have a homosexual romance is plain stupid...and to INSULT AND CALL ALL THE GREAT DEVS BASTARDS just because you have a problem (and it's not the homosexuality thing) is even stupider.

[Arttis]

I say we go with Only Bi to make it fair for everyone lol.

They will go with their current system.It works well.Straight people get a majority of romances*since they are the majority expected to pay money which should cover the costs of making the game*Gays get Half of the romances which is pretty good for them.Beyond that if you want more Gay specific romances your gonna need to get more gays to play the game.THEN make a big deal about it for a gay only romance.

See you.

The sensitivity of people is amazing sometimes.

[joriandrake]

DA1 had a rating of 18/M, i may be wrong but DA2 may have a lower rating and if it is that case, then mature content will get cut out even more

Modifié par joriandrake, 17 juillet 2010 - 12:19 .

[Games4ever]

Incredibly so much interest there is for gay romance here

No offence

[HopHazzard]

joriandrake wrote...

DA1 had a rating of 18/M, i may be wrong but DA2 may have a lower rating and if it is that case, then mature content will get cut out even more

Why would you think they'd go for a lower rating? Hell, for me that would make me far more likely to think twice about buying it than who the romance options are. Even if DA:O hadn't had a single romance option it probably still would've got an M just for the blood and violence. People liked the game because it was gritty and bloody and dark. I see no reason why the devs would change any of that.

[joriandrake]

seriously? the game would get a rating of 18/M just because of blood and violence? I thought only games with sex or nudity get that rating, but considering how ME1 and ME2 differ in lack of censorship, I think it is fair to say that the best people can hope for from DA2 will be some cuddling

[Wittand25]

The Sims has a rating of 12 (6 in Germany) and features homosexuality.

It is a myth that m/m is any stricter ruled than m/f because those rating boards have to be able to defend their verdict and cant risk being considered bigots ( and there are activists groups that would call them out for unfair treatment if it came public )

@Gemes4ever: It is not that surprising considering Bioware has quite a big female and gay fanbase, because they produce quality games with good stories and interesting characters and have shown to be LGBT-inclusive in the past.

[Collider]

I have to agree with a poster here that one's sexual orientation is not something to be proud over.

[Kalcalan]

ejoslin wrote...

Except Alistair HAS thought about his sexuality -- he says as much in the lampost licking conversation.  Being a virgin has nothing to do with whom you're attracted to, anyway, especially when talking about an adult.

QFT.