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[Naughty Bear]

Nor have i.



I am sure the Roman's surrounded a city full of Celts. Arvesium or something similiar

[Games4ever]

Suicider_11 wrote...

@ Games4ever: I Agree. As if witnessing naked people in real life (strippers / ****s/art models) is worse than witnessing real people getting their limbs chopped off or a real life example for me is I've seen a man riding a motorcycle and hitting a post and dying the next few seconds with his limbs crushed with a bleeding head. (I'm sorry if i'm a little bit extreme)

Blowing the heads of hookers with shotguns is fine. Sleeping with them is not(GTA)

Crazy Crazy, can't find other words for it

[DPB]

odiedragon wrote...

While this is a very interesting and honest assessment of the situation, I can't help but read between the lines and see "our new corporate masters won't allow it for "content" reasons".

Well, David said very similar things before DAO's romance options were revealed, so I wouldn't draw too many conclusions.

[Kalcalan]

Tirigon wrote...

Kalcalan wrote...

Not true.

They did capture Rome and defeated the Romans around 400 BC. Have you heard of the Battle of the Allia? <_<

Admittedly, no I haven´t. I don´t know much about early Roman history.

But now that you mention it, yes, I remember that they scared the romans a lot, and revenge for earlier defeats was one of the reasons for Caesar´s war in Gallia.

Well, at least in Rome - Total War they didn´t in a single warB).  I defeated them with Romans, British, Germans and EgyptiansB)

That battle was just an example among many. The Celts were not to be trifled with. Julius Caesar was very lucky to survive and get Vercingetorix to surrender. It wasn't a one sided fight. The Romans were organized but outnumbered and they couldn't have made it if the Gauls had been working together.

I don't mean to be obnoxious but I would advise refraining from making disparaging comments on the Celts if you're not that familiar with their history or Roman history.

Modifié par Kalcalan, 17 juillet 2010 - 03:18 .

[joriandrake]

Tirigon wrote...

Naughty Bear wrote...

Celts got pwned by the Roman's i believe.

Indeed.

armored romans

[Naughty Bear]

Kalcalan, i think thats how the Roman's won gets Boudecai? The Roman's were more organised and the Celts just simple charged in.

[Tirigon]

Naughty Bear wrote...

Kalcalan, i think thats how the Roman's won gets Boudecai? The Roman's were more organised and the Celts just simple charged in.

I´m not sure if it´s true, but I once heard that in the first battle between Caesar and the Gauls many thousand Gauls were killed, while the Romans lost only about 115 men.

Modifié par Tirigon, 17 juillet 2010 - 03:23 .

[freaktong]

Arttis wrote...

Supposedly i think 50% of all long lost sister/brother reunion when they are adult result in romance.I watched it on a show that talked about in depth like almost a year or two ago.Can not remember it well but thats about it.

scary....

[Tirigon]

freaktong wrote...

Arttis wrote...

Supposedly i think 50% of all long lost sister/brother reunion when they are adult result in romance.I watched it on a show that talked about in depth like almost a year or two ago.Can not remember it well but thats about it.

scary....

And of course there is the possibility that people who are brother and sister fall in love without knowing they´re related. (If they didn´t grow up together, of course. In case of adoptions, for example.)

[freaktong]

Naughty Bear wrote...

I don't care about nudity, i'm mature enough to handle it. I am perfectly fine to walk around my house with my willy hanging out.

It's amazing how people can **** about simple things.

Nudist?... right.... *walks back slowly*

[Jimmy Fury]

odiedragon wrote...
While this is a very interesting and honest assessment of the situation, I can't help but read between the lines and see "our new corporate masters won't allow it for "content" reasons".

And, since we already know that Hawke is not a character of our design (which is reinforced in this context by the "can't choose to be an elf" bit), I would not be surprised if s/he comes to us as straight.  Hawke is not our character, s/he's Bioware's.  We just get to use him/her as a puppet, and not change deep parts of his/her character.

I hope that the romances can be all-inclusive in some way, but given that nothing I've hoped for is showing so far to be a part of DA2, I'm not holding my breath.

You argument is based on an unsound premise.
EA owned Bioware when Origins came out.
So those corporate masters aren't new at all.

I still don't get how limiting the character to one race means we can't make it our own but i digress that's a debate for another thread.

Anyway, I've seen no proof at all that says EA would force bioware to cut s/s content. They didn't stop it in Origins, they haven't stopped it in 3 series of Sims games, why would they stop it now?

[joriandrake]

distinguetraces wrote...

Naughty Bear wrote...

Celts got pwned by the Roman's i believe.

Not the Scots!

you mean picts and hyboreans

[ddevil459]

David Gaider wrote...

Bugzehat wrote...
But is providing same-sex romance options really including a lot more content? My impression was that this is why Leliana and Zevran had been made bi rather than gay -- so that they were still 'accessible' as romance options to the greater gaming population. That way, you weren't including a great deal of content that only a few people were going to access -- other than a few pronoun changes in dialogue.

Except that we didn't change more than just "a few pronouns". The same-sex romance paths for both Leliana and Zevran did, in fact, have dialogue that was unique to them. More importantly it requires more than a trivial amount of work to accomodate the option in the romance cutscenes-- and this at a time when we were cutting many other things because of the limited amount of cinematics time we had available.

It's very easy to look at such things in isolation and say "well it couldn't take that long to do!" except that when you have the massive number of things we need to include in an RPG, from the large to the small, it always adds up to more than we can possibly include. So where do you cut? We didn't cut the same-sex romances because we thought they were worth including and added value. Yet even then there were some comments on these forums about Zevran (for example) -- that he was either "too gay", "the wrong kind of gay" or that the fact that Alistair wasn't also included as an option was discriminatory... at which point you start to wonder why you bothered. I'm glad that there were a great many people who expressed that they did value having these options, because I'm afraid that if one's stance is "all or nothing" on something like this the answer nine times out of ten is thus "nothing".

Secondly, I don't think it's fair to say that only gay players are going to use these options -- like we've seen in this thread, a lot of straight people are going to go "eww eww get the gay away from me" but others are slightly more open-minded, and might be interested for roleplay purposes.

I did not say that. I said that a minority of players want the option-- and that for many player's it's not an option they want, so its existence as an option-- to them-- has no value. The fact that it has value to that minority of players isn't lost on us, of course, but all I said was that we need to balance accordingly.

WilliamShatner wrote...
I guess that means "No" then.

And this is why I shouldn't be discussing this, I suppose. I've already said we can't talk about what's in the game, and I'm not trying to imply the existence of any romances or the lack thereof. I'm only talking about the assumptions that people seem to be making about why they're included/not included-- but perhaps I should just leave it at that. As I said before, we'll be revealing more in time. At that point I'm certain there will be plenty more opinions to be expressed at length.

If content was cut out to make room for sex with zevran, this makes me sad and wish for a dragon age directors cut.

[ddevil459]

Tirigon wrote...

Naughty Bear wrote...

Kalcalan, i think thats how the Roman's won gets Boudecai? The Roman's were more organised and the Celts just simple charged in.

I´m not sure if it´s true, but I once heard that in the first battle between Caesar and the Gauls many thousand Gauls were killed, while the Romans lost only about 115 men.

This is true, and it happened over and over again.  Its amazing what you can do with formations and siege engineering versus pre-literate societies.

[Naughty Bear]

Tirigon wrote...

freaktong wrote...

Arttis wrote...

Supposedly i think 50% of all long lost sister/brother reunion when they are adult result in romance.I watched it on a show that talked about in depth like almost a year or two ago.Can not remember it well but thats about it.

scary....

And of course there is the possibility that people who are brother and sister fall in love without knowing they´re related. (If they didn´t grow up together, of course. In case of adoptions, for example.)

Woah.

Freaktong, nah i'm not a nudist, way too self-conscience about myself in front of others but i'm fine in front of girlfriend or around the house. Not too sure about being in company of a pet dog though...

[Altima Darkspells]

Jimmy Fury wrote...


You argument is based on an unsound premise.
EA owned Bioware when Origins came out.
So those corporate masters aren't new at all.

I still don't get how limiting the character to one race means we can't make it our own but i digress that's a debate for another thread.

Anyway, I've seen no proof at all that says EA would force bioware to cut s/s content. They didn't stop it in Origins, they haven't stopped it in 3 series of Sims games, why would they stop it now?

Origins was already completed by the time EA acquired them.  Then, suddenly, after pretty much saying otherwise for years, suddenly BioWare was interested in porting DA over to consoles.  For some reason.  And DAO got delayed for two quarters, for I'm sure was a completely unrelated reason.

And then ME2 comes out, which had a good portion, if not most, of its development under EA, and there was a distinct lack of s/s material, apart from, from what I understand, molesting someone who's basically your secretary.

Of course, TOR not having same-sex won't be the fault of BioWare or EA.  I don't know which would be worse--EA doing its best to pretend gay people don't exist, or Lucasarts just outright saying that they don't.

[ejoslin]

ddevil459 wrote...

If content was cut out to make room for sex with zevran, this makes me sad and wish for a dragon age directors cut.

Zevran's romance was great.  I really enjoyed both the male and female versions.

I think a lot of the complaints about Zevran's romance were one of the best parts was not in the game because of a bug (his love dialog at the gates), and that his romance actually completes later in the game, and many people can miss the conclusion and think it ends earlier than it does.

Modifié par ejoslin, 18 juillet 2010 - 12:19 .

[SirGladiator]

Actually ME2 has tons of s/s romance in it, it's just that most of the romance options for the PC were cut out, which of course sucked, but as you play through the game you find quite a lot of women either hitting on your FemShep or in relationships with other women. I've never made a direct comparison but the amount might actually rival DAO itself, its really quite cool. The best guess is that it really was just one guy who made them cut out the s/s romance options for the player, it certainly wasn't a decision by the writers that they didn't like that sort of thing, because there's still a whole lot of it in the game even after all they were forced to cut out. So given that the fellow who almost certainly was the one who ordered the romance cuts in ME2 isn't involved in DA2 (not as far as I know anyway), I don't think that will be an issue at all.

[Jimmy Fury]

Altima Darkspells wrote...
Origins was already completed by the time EA acquired them.  Then, suddenly, after pretty much saying otherwise for years, suddenly BioWare was interested in porting DA over to consoles.  For some reason.  And DAO got delayed for two quarters, for I'm sure was a completely unrelated reason.

And then ME2 comes out, which had a good portion, if not most, of its development under EA, and there was a distinct lack of s/s material, apart from, from what I understand, molesting someone who's basically your secretary.

Of course, TOR not having same-sex won't be the fault of BioWare or EA.  I don't know which would be worse--EA doing its best to pretend gay people don't exist, or Lucasarts just outright saying that they don't.

1: EA bought out Bioware in 2007. 2 full years before Origins came out. That is more than enough time for them to demand Bioware cut out anything they wished.
2: ME1 was developed entirely outside of EA's influence (it came out a month after the buy out) and contained 1 lesbian romance which is only that in the most technical sense. The Kaiden and Ashley romances were cut out long before EA had anything to do with Bioware.
3: EA has been named one of the "Best Places to Work" for GLBT equality by the HRC for at least 3 years in a row (the 2007 list isn't available anymore) which means they scored a 100% on the HRC's Corporate Equality Index the entire time they've owned Bioware .
If they were issuing demands to cut gay content I'm sure someone would have noticed by now and would have made it public.

So I will say it again, your accusations are groundless and based on nothing but extremely faulty circumstantial evidence.
I know everybody loves to blame everything on EA because they're the big evil corporation, but until you get some actual evidence you just sound like you're throwing around conspiracy theories.

[errant_knight]

Jimmy Fury wrote...

Altima Darkspells wrote...
Origins was already completed by the time EA acquired them.  Then, suddenly, after pretty much saying otherwise for years, suddenly BioWare was interested in porting DA over to consoles.  For some reason.  And DAO got delayed for two quarters, for I'm sure was a completely unrelated reason.

And then ME2 comes out, which had a good portion, if not most, of its development under EA, and there was a distinct lack of s/s material, apart from, from what I understand, molesting someone who's basically your secretary.

Of course, TOR not having same-sex won't be the fault of BioWare or EA.  I don't know which would be worse--EA doing its best to pretend gay people don't exist, or Lucasarts just outright saying that they don't.

1: EA bought out Bioware in 2007. 2 full years before Origins came out. That is more than enough time for them to demand Bioware cut out anything they wished.
2: ME1 was developed entirely outside of EA's influence (it came out a month after the buy out) and contained 1 lesbian romance which is only that in the most technical sense. The Kaiden and Ashley romances were cut out long before EA had anything to do with Bioware.
3: EA has been named one of the "Best Places to Work" for GLBT equality by the HRC for at least 3 years in a row (the 2007 list isn't available anymore) which means they scored a 100% on the HRC's Corporate Equality Index the entire time they've owned Bioware .
If they were issuing demands to cut gay content I'm sure someone would have noticed by now and would have made it public.

So I will say it again, your accusations are groundless and based on nothing but extremely faulty circumstantial evidence.
I know everybody loves to blame everything on EA because they're the big evil corporation, but until you get some actual evidence you just sound like you're throwing around conspiracy theories.

There are game decisions that I think EA has a hand in, such as scaling back the dialogue to reduce costs (just a supposition--no evidence there), but really don't think this is one of them. Blame where it's due, credit where it's due, I've never heard that EA had anything resembling homophobic policies. A tendency to take companies that produce complex games and make the products mind-numbingly simple, yes. Demands that there be no gayness, no.

[Arttis]

Look they wanna make money.If who ever is in charge can be convinced that adding a gay only romance will make the game better then they will.

Money wins over morals....most of the time in my opinion.

[elearon1]

>>They did capture Rome and defeated the Romans around 400 BC.<<



There wasn't much left of the Western Roman Empire by the 400's CE - the real power had moved East to Constantinople and West Rome was left to fend for itself on dwindling resources, progressively weakened boarders, an undermanned military, and more. The Gauls were a constant nuisance to Rome, but not a notable threat between about 100 BCE and 300 CE.



Ultimately, Rome actually defeated itself with its never ending need to expand and inability to maintain its own infrastructure.