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[elearon1]

>>Sister and brother love...



Who could possibly think of that?!<



I would say the Ancient Egyptian did.<<



Just about every culture at one point or another. Egypt, Rome, Greece, Japan, Europe, France, America ... Hell, some very well known historical figures, myths and legends revolve around the concept of sibling incest.



That said, Dave has already come forward to say you won't be romancing your sister in this game, so those of you who considered it are out of luck.

[Arttis]

Enough with the history lesson.

[Bryy_Miller]

elearon1 wrote...

That said, Dave has already come forward to say you won't be romancing your sister in this game, so those of you who considered it are out of luck.

That thread is history now. Jokes will be spun from it for ages. We have doomed Bethany forever.

[elearon1]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

That thread is history now. Jokes will be spun from it for ages. We have doomed Bethany forever.

Well, if the teasing gets too much she can always find comfort in her big brother's arms.  

[wikkedjoker]

filaminstrel wrote...

Arttis wrote...

Supposedly i think 50% of all long lost sister/brother reunion when they are adult result in romance.I watched it on a show that talked about in depth like almost a year or two ago.Can not remember it well but thats about it.

What.

WHAT!

[Arttis]

wikkedjoker wrote...

filaminstrel wrote...

Arttis wrote...

Supposedly i think 50% of all long lost sister/brother reunion when they are adult result in romance.I watched it on a show that talked about in depth like almost a year or two ago.Can not remember it well but thats about it.

What.

WHAT!

huh?

[Avaflame]

Probably Oprah. Which means 100% Bullplop.

Bullplop!

Edit: Even if it wasn't Oprah. I would be willing to bet my life on the non-validity of that statement/statistic.

Ugh, Edit 2 because I felt like mentioning it:

elearon1 wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

That thread is history now. Jokes will be spun from it for ages. We have doomed Bethany forever.

Well, if the teasing gets too much she can always find comfort in her big brother's arms.  

Thanks for the chuckles.

Modifié par Avaflame, 18 juillet 2010 - 08:51 .

[PanosSmirnakos]

Jimmy Fury wrote...

Saibh wrote...

Gaxhung wrote...

Jimmy Fury wrote...

Gaxhung wrote...
Whats homoerotic about, figting lke a spartan?

oh cheeses nevermind they were both just jokes. Must everything on the boards be turned into a debate lately. 
Fine you're both right. There's nothing even remoootely homoerotic about dudes in leather underpants or licking posts of any sort. Hurray for you.

to quote St. Kitten... all of a sudden everybody's getting serious. serious, serious, serious.

Never thought that 300 is softporn for gays. Sigh. I suppose its just like women never suspect we like watching them pick cucumbers at the supermarket. In the actual time period in history, did Spartans even wear underwear? Prancing about all fit and muscular without underwear in a miniskirt, gulp.

What.

omg mango soda just went up my nose...

And I'm not the biggest history buff but didn't the actual spartans fight... ya know... nekkid?
(you're right saibh there does need to be a proper blushing smiley...)
That's the potentially-historically-inaccurate thing I keep hearing at least.
-edit-
Oh and uhm... that's topical because... uhm... muscled greek warriors should be included in the game as romancable companions? yeah! that!

No, they fought with steel armor (helmet, breastplate / cuirass, bracers and greaves), steel weapons (spear and sword) and a steel shield. So, they carried around 60kgs of armor and weapons. Steel as a metal was unknown and "alien" in this era. Most armies back then used bronze or iron weapons and armor. So except that they were trained as warriors from the age of 7 till they die, they had by far superior armory & weaponry from other armies. War was their art. Sorry to disappoint you, but Spartans were not gay, they had to marry by law to a specific age (not too young and not too old) and have healthy children who will continue their name with honour in war or peace. Also homosexual relationships or pedophilia was forbidden by law and the punishment was execution with death or exile. Allow me as a Greek to know more things about them, after all the "300" movie wasn't my source of knowledge for them. 

[Arttis]

filaminstrel wrote...

Arttis wrote...
huh?

Awfully unbelievable statistic you have there.

WHy?Because you do not see it happen?
Long lost bros and sis being reunited is rare.
I do not see why it is unbelievable.

[Tirigon]

elearon1 wrote...

>>They did capture Rome and defeated the Romans around 400 BC.

There wasn't much left of the Western Roman Empire by the 400's CE - the real power had moved East to Constantinople and West Rome was left to fend for itself on dwindling resources, progressively weakened boarders, an undermanned military, and more. The Gauls were a constant nuisance to Rome, but not a notable threat between about 100 BCE and 300 CE.

Ultimately, Rome actually defeated itself with its never ending need to expand and inability to maintain its own infrastructure.

BC = before Christ. That means, about 800 years before the division between West and East Rome. In 400BC Rome was not an Empire yet but a small Italian republic.

[Tirigon]

PanosSmirnakos wrote...

No, they fought with steel armor (helmet, breastplate / cuirass, bracers and greaves), steel weapons (spear and sword) and a steel shield. So, they carried around 60kgs of armor and weapons. Steel as a metal was unknown and "alien" in this era. Most armies back then used bronze or iron weapons and armor. So except that they were trained as warriors from the age of 7 till they die, they had by far superior armory & weaponry from other armies. War was their art. Sorry to disappoint you, but Spartans were not gay, they had to marry by law to a specific age (not too young and not too old) and have healthy children who will continue their name with honour in war or peace. Also homosexual relationships or pedophilia was forbidden by law and the punishment was execution with death or exile. Allow me as a Greek to know more things about them, after all the "300" movie wasn't my source of knowledge for them. 

Nevertheless, it was common in ancient Greece that men had young boys to pleasure them. In turn, they cared for these boys and eductated them. It was not considered perverted then but common.

And homosexual relationships are common when lots of men are in a camp without chance to let steam off. Unless, maybe, the Spartans had wh*res among their army?

I know Roman armies had lots of civilians, including ladies of negotiable affection, following them, but I´m not sure about the Spartans.

Modifié par Tirigon, 18 juillet 2010 - 09:26 .

[Tirigon]

I wonder if you would even recognise a brother or sister if you have been separated since birth.

What I find unbelievable is not that some people get it on with their brothers or sisters in a reunion, but that they actually know the other one is related to them. If I had been adopted and had a sister somwhere I certainly wouldn´t know she´s my sister when I´d meet her........

Modifié par Tirigon, 18 juillet 2010 - 09:30 .

[Arttis]

People getting adopted is not rare being reunited is I believe.
I mean people who did not know about them, then as an adult they meet.
How they got all that info I do not remember.
You can always try searching the internet for it.
From the littel i can remember supposedly they get very interested in each other wanting to know all about them.
Then it slowly evolves into a romance.

Modifié par Arttis, 18 juillet 2010 - 09:34 .

[PanosSmirnakos]

Tirigon wrote...

PanosSmirnakos wrote...

No, they fought with steel armor (helmet, breastplate / cuirass, bracers and greaves), steel weapons (spear and sword) and a steel shield. So, they carried around 60kgs of armor and weapons. Steel as a metal was unknown and "alien" in this era. Most armies back then used bronze or iron weapons and armor. So except that they were trained as warriors from the age of 7 till they die, they had by far superior armory & weaponry from other armies. War was their art. Sorry to disappoint you, but Spartans were not gay, they had to marry by law to a specific age (not too young and not too old) and have healthy children who will continue their name with honour in war or peace. Also homosexual relationships or pedophilia was forbidden by law and the punishment was execution with death or exile. Allow me as a Greek to know more things about them, after all the "300" movie wasn't my source of knowledge for them. 

Nevertheless, it was common in ancient Greece that men had young boys to pleasure them. In turn, they cared for these boys and eductated them. It was not considered perverted then but common.

And homosexual relationships are common when lots of men are in a camp without chance to let steam off. Unless, maybe, the Spartans had wh*res among their army?

I know Roman armies had lots of civilians, including ladies of negotiable affection, following them, but I´m not sure about the Spartans.

Common? How do you know it was common? From our mythology and history we have stories about how a man can even start a war for the love of a woman, not for a boy or another man. Believe whatever you like to believe. As I said it was forbidden by law. Proof is the ancient texts we have about the spartan law. Similar laws existed to all greek city-states. Of course whatever is forbidden by law doesn't mean it doesn't' exist, like today. Like all societies there's a good percentage of ppl who do things unaccepted. They weren't all saints or sinners, but the important thing is that it was something forbidden, worthy enough to lose your life or kicked out forever from your homeland.  

[elearon1]

Tirigon wrote...
BC = before Christ. That means, about 800 years before the division between West and East Rome. In 400BC Rome was not an Empire yet but a small Italian republic.

Sorry, saw BC, read CE. 

[Tirigon]

PanosSmirnakos wrote...
Common? How do you know it was common? From our mythology and history we have stories about how a man can even start a war for the love of a woman, not for a boy or another man. Believe whatever you like to believe. As I said it was forbidden by law. Proof is the ancient texts we have about the spartan law. Similar laws existed to all greek city-states. Of course whatever is forbidden by law doesn't mean it doesn't' exist, like today. Like all societies there's a good percentage of ppl who do things unaccepted. They weren't all saints or sinners, but the important thing is that it was something forbidden, worthy enough to lose your life or kicked out forever from your homeland.  

Sparta, a Dorian polis, is thought to be the first city to practice athletic nudity, and one of the first to formalize pederasty.
The Spartans believed that the love of an older, accomplished aristocrat for an adolescent was essential to his formation as a free citizen. The agoge, the education of the ruling class, was thus founded on pederastic relationships required of each citizen.

From Wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia....artan_pederasty

Forgive me if I believe Wikipedia rather than you.


Also:

Same page further down.


Edited for formatting.

Modifié par Tirigon, 18 juillet 2010 - 10:06 .

[Whailor]

I don't mind if it's hetero only. I have nothing against gays or lesbians but I see no reason why they need to be plastered everywhere. Funny how gays and lesbians (and whatever other minorities) keep screaming how their point of view should always be considered and respected but at the same time they don't ever want to consider neither respect the point of view of others! Double standards all the way.

[Tirigon]

Whailor wrote...

I don't mind if it's hetero only. I have nothing against gays or lesbians but I see no reason why they need to be plastered everywhere. Funny how gays and lesbians (and whatever other minorities) keep screaming how their point of view should always be considered and respected but at the same time they don't ever want to consider neither respect the point of view of others! Double standards all the way.

Noone said heteros should be discriminated against. You´re putting words they never said in other people´s mouth.

[PanosSmirnakos]

@ Tirigon

You obviously want to see whatever you want to see from all this info from wiki you gave me. You're no Greek, so you don't know the philosophy my ancestors had about the perfect athletic human body and harmony. You know that I can change wiki however I like so if Wiki is your way of education, then I'm sorry for you. Ancient greeks, gays / pedos or not, still inspire humanity with their epic tales, mythology, science, philosophy and social structure. Search at wiki where democracy was invented. Last reply for me to you, because you make ignorance a virtue, plus I don't want to go more off-topic.

Modifié par PanosSmirnakos, 18 juillet 2010 - 10:30 .

[Arttis]

*sigh* I am really bad at explaining.

I mean people who grew up never knowing they had a sibling.Then as an adult they find out.Then they talk and so on.Sometimes it springs into romance.

[elearon1]

>>Ancient greeks, gays / pedos or not, still inspire humanity with their epic tales, mythology, science, philosophy and social structure. <<



So, because you're Greek you know more than anyone else about your ancestry? I'd like to think that was true, but somehow I doubt it in our modern world. Many people, all over the world, Western Civilization especially, study Greek history and culture - being born Greek makes you no more an expert than being born American makes me an expert on US history. (though I am a history major so I know a fair amount more than the average American on the subject)



And the sexual exploits of your Ancestors has nothing to do with whether or not they contributed to society as a whole ... indeed I doubt any Westerner could deny as much. But neither do their accomplishments change their sexuality. Homosexuality vs Heterosexuality did not hold the same stigma as they tend to today in most societies. It is fairly well acknowledged that Greeks engaged in relations with young men - this includes Spartans. That said, Sparta was very forward thinking when it came to the rights of women and had the closest thing to something even resembling equality between the sexes throughout Greece. So no one is saying they were less of a people for what they may or may not have done with young men or women. (It is also fairly clear that lesbianism was common throughout Greece, though less socially accepted - a "don't ask don't tell" kind of situation.)



On the topic of Siblings, it has been found that siblings are more likely to develop relationships, especially if they are unaware they are siblings, than not when they meet later in life. So siblings separated at birth, who happen to meet one another by chance at a shopping center but have no idea they are actually related, are highly likely to become friends or more. The biological and psychological reasons for this tend to revolve around similarities siblings will share even when raised in different environments. This does not mean that two siblings who meet under those circumstances absolutely *will* become romantically involved - merely that there tends to be a higher chance of it happening. (unfortunately the information on this type of situation is limited, so it is possible there are other factors involved in the cases we are aware of)