PanosSmirnakos wrote...
No my point is that I've read the original ancient texts written in my language (the same laguage as the ppl who we talk about) in school, university and from researching by myself and not reading some bad translations or wiki pages which some of them have an extra meaning added by ppl who hate greeks or want to add their own unique discovery / version for them.
(oh goodness what did I start
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Now, as I mentioned before I'm not a big history person...
but i AM a literature person. And when Homer comes into play it's more lit than history.
So at this point I feel much more comfortable calling shenanigans on that statement.
Nobody has read the "original ancient text" of the Illiad or the Odyssey because no such text exists. The entire epic cycle was originally an
oral tradition, not a written one. At best you may have read the
oldest known complete text which is the Venetus A but it's in no way close to being an original ancient text because the story existed long long before the 10th century CE which is when the Venetus A is dated.
Even then though it's unlikely that you've read the Venetus A and are able to claim full and complete understanding of it due simply to the language. You may speak greek and that's fine but ancient greek is not entirely the same as modern greek. Plus, the illiad as written in the Venetus A uses multiple dialects which makes it difficult to directly understand.
This is why Homeric Scholarship exists as a subject. The works have been studied for centuries by scholars. People are still writing books about what the Illiad and the Odyssey mean and how such-and-such translation is inaccurate.
So i'm sorry, but just being greek does not make you an expert. There are men and women with extensive degrees that took them many years to get who would certainly have a problem with such a claim.
Although at this point i'm inclined to agree, in a way, with Tirigon. If you think "gay" is the worst insult possible then all of the scholarly debate in the world is unlikely to change your opinion on the subject.
(incidentally it also speaks to a lack of imagination. I can think of much much worse things to call people
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And nooooow... to get all of this back on topic... uhm.
This all very much applies to DA2 because the
potential relationship between Achilles and Patroclus, which is still debated by scholars, could demonstrate a classical defense to the idea that a Hero can indeed be homosexual and a warrior of unparalled skill.
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