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[Tirigon]

CrookedAsylum wrote...

Tirigon wrote...

As if all Germans love Sauerkraut, beer and leather pants.

But who doesn't love beer and leather pants?

Anti-alcoholics in the case of beer, and everyone except conservative bavarians in the case of leather pants:police:

[BeautyoftheBeast]

Ugh, SO NOT FAIR TO MISS THIS IDIOTIC ARGUMENT. So many sarcastic things... to... say... wasted.

Damnit, I guess all I have now is this gif:

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On topic: I doubt that Bioware would get rid of M/M romances, as there would be many angry people (at least I know) over it. Although, about half of my gay friends played as a female so they could boink Alistair.

Modifié par BeautyoftheBeast, 19 juillet 2010 - 03:59 .

[Dice Knight]

I just hope that devs don't think the attitude of the OP reflects everyone that supports these types of relationships in games. It's something I would very much like to see in more role playing games, and admittedly something I was disappointed in within ME2. However; despite that I also understand that this sort of thing isn't a wave of the magic wand to put into it. There's time and money concessions, not to mention the potential for controversy if a single outside group hears about the content and decides they find it morally objectionable. (Which is ridiculous, but that's how things work sometimes.)



I continue to wait patiently for news on this front, hoping that M/M and F/F will be available in DA2, but it won't break the game for me if not included. While I was disappointed that my FemShep couldn't romance Tali, in the grand scheme it didn't make me dislike one of the best games I've ever played. DA2 is a "buy at release" title for me regardless. Including these options are awesome, especially for a GLBT player that feels for a brief moment that some people in the industry "get" us, but it's also understandable if not.



But don't be fooled. Tali was TOTALLY into my Shep. She just didn't realize it yet.

[DaringMoosejaw]

Bioware is not the government. You don't have a 'right' to anything from Bioware. Bioware is a company that sells a product. They can't force you to buy the product, you have a choice whether you do so or not. If Bioware wanted, they could include no romances, bi, homosexual and straight romances, or romances only involving furniture. If they decide they want to put lighting fixtures on a higher priority than people interested in homosexual romances, they're quite free to do so. If you personally feel it is immoral, don't buy the game. If the demand is really so high, everyone who agrees with you will also not buy the game and thus Bioware will realize it needs to change its ideas about game design.

[Haexpane]

The main character already has a pr0n star name, why not?



Companion, Thicky McLogpain

[kt85]

I think the OP's gripe is more so to do with it being a pre-determined protagonist an argument which was used to defend the no M/M and the very poor F/F in ME2



IMO if the protagonist is pre-determined and BioWare market it as this then people will be less offened, the problem with ME2 was that it was marketed as being able to choose the actions of you protagonist when they should have made the game only to play as a male Shep as the protagonist was pre-determined.....



If they hype up choice and then limit it people will get annoyed especially as BioWare has a good reputation for including everyone of the gaming democratic



I can understand a pre-determined protagonist being straight but get annoyed when I'm told that I have a load of choices only to find that I can't choose the sexuality of the protagonist because its pre determined....

I understand that ME2 was somewhat intended for a insecure male young adult audience and hence the insinuation of F/F action but no real romance and definately no M/M



As it seems that Hawke seems pre-determined I will hazaed a guess as to no M/M



I just hope that I am not given a load of choices only to play through and realize that its scripted for a straight male Hawke,also I liked the fact that there was gay/bi companions and NPC's in DA;O something which was lacking in ME1 and 2 (would make you think that LGBT democratic didn't exist in the sci-fi future of the story)

[BomimoDK]

What difference does it make? as long as it's deep enough. Do you, OP, represent the same crowd that was missing totally out of place romances in Awakening?

In Awakening, you were probably already in love and romances with characters in such a short timespan would be like whoring at the streetcornor.



In DA2: the more the merrier. true. if it comes down to it, Straight only romances would not bother me. i, As a male felt quite uncomfortable just charming Alistair as a Female NPC. i know this comes down to taste. but i think depth before content. I'd rather have either only same-sex romances or only-straight romances and have them be deep than all of it at a shallow level.



I guess we will get all of them, no dount. we should not fear anything... at least, i don't think losing our heads just yet is a cool battleplan.

[Blacklash93]

I'm all for same-sex options. I loved romancing Leliana as a woman in Origins (okay, I loved romancing her under all circumstances...).

I'm also not concerned about the options being here in DA2. While Bioware isn't obligated in any way to include certain features in their games due to simple demand (no matter how large or small it may be), they did set up expectations in this series for this type of content to be included. To betray those expectations would definitely upset some fans and the DA team certainly doesn't want to disappoint anyone. And while those matters aren't always what determines what makes it to the game and what doesn't, they should make it a priority somewhere down the chain.

I'm very sure they at least WANT to include the options.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 19 juillet 2010 - 11:36 .

[Riona45]

The Edge wrote...

I guess it really depends on how "established" Hawke is (like if the player can decide). I heard that he'll be less so than Shepard of ME, so the option may be there.

There was actually a dev post or two saying that Hawke is a less defined character than Shepard.

[Bobad]

BomimoDK wrote...

What difference does it make? as long as it's deep enough. Do you, OP, represent the same crowd that was missing totally out of place romances in Awakening?
In Awakening, you were probably already in love and romances with characters in such a short timespan would be like whoring at the streetcornor.

In DA2: the more the merrier. true. if it comes down to it, Straight only romances would not bother me. i, As a male felt quite uncomfortable just charming Alistair as a Female NPC. i know this comes down to taste. but i think depth before content. I'd rather have either only same-sex romances or only-straight romances and have them be deep than all of it at a shallow level.

I guess we will get all of them, no dount. we should not fear anything... at least, i don't think losing our heads just yet is a cool battleplan.

But, but, but my Warden was a complete man-**** in Origins (bedded Iona and tried for Dairren too, slept with Morrigan, Zevran and Leliana, took Zevran and Leliana with Isabella and rocked Ghenna's Forest before 'marrying' Anora), therefore it was out of character for him to stay celibate in Awakenings, not that I didn't enjoy it though!

[Juztinb42]

I'm willing to bet that there are no gay romances in DA2 since the developers are turning the game into Mass Effect. In other words, it's told with third-person narration which limits some things like sexual orientation. And for that, I am thankful.

[Riona45]

Juztinb42 wrote...

I'm willing to bet that there are no gay romances in DA2 since the developers are turning the game into Mass Effect.

Uh, except that they aren't?

[London]

The only reason I even heard about Dragon Age was because I was reading an article about gay relationships in video games in Wikipedia and it drew my attention to this game. I really enjoyed Dragon Age, and I played the game as a Love Story with some things going on in the background to keep the relationship moving along. All of my Saved Game locations that I kept were right before Relationship-Developing cutscenes and conversations. The action was engaging enough, and the overall storyline was great, but it was the interpersonal relationships that really held my attention throughout the game.



That being said, I used mods so my male warden could Romance Alistair. I think I benefitted from his role being written for women. The Zevran storyline was more "typical" of how gay relationships are presented in traditional media like television and movies (or how they actually happen in real life) in that they followed the "You're hot! Let's have sex! Oh no I actually care about you on a deeper level!" motfi. So, they did a good job with the Zevran option but as a romantic, Alistair's character appealed to me a lot more.



Modded DA to romance Alistair is the most romantic portrayal of a gay relationship I've ever seen in any format. Even gay romantic comedy's are rather obnoxious.



A mod posted something to the effect that the game developers are going to include content that appeals to the most people so they can make money. To keep my business, Dragon Age should include Romances, and ideally more options for same sex relationships as well. As far as Romances generally are concerned, I think there is a very large market of people who want these in their games. I think its a minority who would rather have no romances (and those people could very well go play the 100's of other RPG's with pre-set romances or no romance action games). As far as same-sex relationships, I'd love another Alistair-esque romance option since it's like a fairy tale, or something Brokeback Mountain-esque where GayHawke and a Companion fall in love just because they spend so much time together doing whatever quests they set out to do and realize they have feelings for each other, even if they didn't otherwise consider themselves "gay." I suppose another Zevran-type for the sex-starved would be fun too, though I meet so many guys like that in real life I have no interest in them in games, lol.



If Dragon Age 2 has no Gay Characters or Romance options...well, I'm not sure I'll buy it unless someone manages to mod it to add this option. I'm worried about how Modding can work though, with the addition of Voice Actors for Hawke in addition to the companion. At least in DA:O, you only had to mod by swapping a gender flag...the addition of fully voiced characters might limit modding a lot. Rather than viewing a silent male and having Alistair speaking to me as though I was female, it might not be possible to mod fully-voiced Hawke and a fully-voiced Male Companion to force them into a relationship...unless the writers keep most of the language gender neutral.



Again, I'm just one of those players who only really got into this game for the relationship-building aspects, which are those aspects I found the most enjoyable. Looking at the Alistair fan club on Facebook would show that there are a lot of other consumers who found relationship-building to be the most enjoyable aspect of the game as well.

[TheJist]

Do people really play this game for the romances I mean seriously? A epic tale of you fighting hordes of demons and a huge dragon and you are worried you won't be able to knock up some other guy seriously?

Modifié par TheJist, 20 juillet 2010 - 01:52 .

[London]

Yup. Fighting hordes of demons to save the world has been done in about a hundred different RPGs (probably even more). How character development is handled makes a lot of difference.

[TheJist]

So if this game had no romances what so ever would you not buy it? Sure the general basics of the story have been done before but all in all that is what you buy the game for (hopefully).

[London]

I probably would never even have heard of the game, or have been motivated to dump money into an RPG from a game company I personally never heard of before. I've been pretty loyal to Square/Enix and the Diablo series.



I've looked up games when I saw articles about relationships before, but when I googled things about it the relationships seemed to be inconsequential (like Fable) so i was never really motivated to go spend money on them. I saw some YouTube cutscenes from DA after finding the relationship article and that's what caused me to go buy it.



If they cut out my personal favorite aspect of the game, yes, it would probably lose my patronage. Just like Squaresoft did with all of their attempts to modernize the Final Fantasy worlds. Just lost the feel from the games I appreciated.

[Blacklash93]

TheJist wrote...

Do people really play this game for the romances I mean seriously? A epic tale of you fighting hordes of demons and a huge dragon and you are worried you won't be able to knock up some other guy seriously?

Welcome to the Bioware Social Network! It's the hottest place to talk about bonking pixels.

[Blacklash93]

Juztinb42 wrote...

I'm willing to bet that there are no gay romances in DA2 since the developers are turning the game into Mass Effect. In other words, it's told with third-person narration which limits some things like sexual orientation. And for that, I am thankful.

We should all know the third-person, "pre-defined" argument Bioware puts up is on shaky ground. In ME, you decide Shepard's morals, ethics, views on certain species, topics, and the galaxy as a whole. While he/she may react in a linear fashion (for a badass quip) sometimes, the fact that you tell him/her what to do and say (thus what they think) makes it your character. The fact that he's/she's voiced doesn't change that. Your sentiments and thoughts are relayed through the character. 

Bioware doesn't include these options because they don't want to, not because of some philosophy they attatch to a series. There's not even anything inherent to that structure that forbids the inclusion of that content. It's just a bad attempt to justify something. They should just be upfront with it and tell us how simple the matter really is.

Besides, this probably isn't even the case for DA2.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 20 juillet 2010 - 05:28 .

[wwwwowwww]

I don't want to bet, and honestly this is the silliest discussion I've seen. It's a game, it's not real.

[Arttis]

I bet you the person who made the thread is not really gay.

[Riona45]

wwwwowwww wrote...

I don't want to bet, and honestly this is the silliest discussion I've seen. It's a game, it's not real.

Good thing no one said they thought it was real, right?

[Riona45]

Arttis wrote...

I bet you the person who made the thread is not really gay.

That's not relevant to anything, sorry.