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[Tirigon]

Wait, Wade and Herren are gay? Really?



I can´t imagine Wade having sex, neither with men nor women. He´s attracted only to armors.



He DOES look like a typical bear, though.....

[Bugzehat]

Tirigon wrote...

Wait, Wade and Herren are gay? Really?

I can´t imagine Wade having sex, neither with men nor women. He´s attracted only to armors.

He DOES look like a typical bear, though.....

Maybe he just uses the armour for a visual aid... during.

Wade for gay romance option in DA2!

[Noviere]

Tirigon wrote...
And how exactly is Zevran "girly"? I found
him quite manly actually. Strong, muscular, agile, cunning.....

I personally didn't find Zevran feminine. He just wasn't the stereotypical, gruff, manly-man... Which in some circles means you're effeminate.

Tirigon wrote...

Wait, Wade and Herren are gay? Really?

I don't think it's been explicitly stated that they are gay... Just implied.

Modifié par Noviere, 16 juillet 2010 - 11:32 .

[Costin_Razvan]

In Mass Effect 1 Shepard could romance Kaidan as male, and female Shepard could romance Ashley.



Microsoft ordered them to remove it before game was released though... Still seeing Zevran in Dragon Age makes you think there will be Gay romance in Dragon Age 2.

[Bugzehat]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

In Mass Effect 1 Shepard could romance Kaidan as male, and female Shepard could romance Ashley.

Microsoft ordered them to remove it before game was released though... Still seeing Zevran in Dragon Age makes you think there will be Gay romance in Dragon Age 2.

I'm not saying you're lying, but do you have a source? I had no idea -- and it's a shame, because I was only really interested in Ashley as a romance option for FemShep. Still, at least it means I didn't cheat on her with Garrus in ME2 =)

[Costin_Razvan]

There is this: Ashley and Female Shepard.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 16 juillet 2010 - 11:45 .

[Noviere]

Bugzehat wrote...

I'm not saying you're lying, but do you have a source? I had no idea -- and it's a shame, because I was only really interested in Ashley as a romance option for FemShep. Still, at least it means I didn't cheat on her with Garrus in ME2 =)

I think why it was cut is pure speculation, but there was definitely Male Shep/Kaiden romance dialogue recorded for Mass Effect 1.

[Collider]

Bugzehat wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

In Mass Effect 1 Shepard could romance Kaidan as male, and female Shepard could romance Ashley.

Microsoft ordered them to remove it before game was released though... Still seeing Zevran in Dragon Age makes you think there will be Gay romance in Dragon Age 2.

I'm not saying you're lying, but do you have a source? I had no idea -- and it's a shame, because I was only really interested in Ashley as a romance option for FemShep. Still, at least it means I didn't cheat on her with Garrus in ME2 =)

I don't think he is correct at all. The best source we have is from a developer who says that he thinks (but is not sure) that M/M Kaidan and F/F Ashley were cut because of time restraints.

[Ziggy]

Copied and pasted from the 'fight for the love' thread:

Suggestion 8:
Just reimplement the former bisexual squad members by way of DLC.
Issues this would resolve:

No extra coding

Very easy

Someone for everyone. This includes, Ashley, Kaidan, Thane, Tali, and Jack.

View the links below. If you find same-sex relationships uncomfortable then don't click.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FCN5f1hEt8&feature=related

For the MShep and Kaidan Love Scene:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPMOlEfhWGE&feature=related

For the MShep and Kaidan Reunion:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWq4ZHZ6ExU&feature=related

For FShep and Ashley Love Scene:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Mwiqq-Y5r4&feature=video_response

For FShep and Ashley Reunion:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCqoQJiy7NE&feature=response_watch

For MShep and Thane:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_d_7VRl87E0

For FShep and Tali voiceclips starts around 6:16:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtVNqxjiH0Y

Modifié par Em23, 16 juillet 2010 - 11:51 .

[Collider]

@Em: You are forgetting about F/F Miranda. Her and Jack have lines recorded as well. I can upload them if you like.

[Costin_Razvan]

What sodding time constraints are you talking about when the entire dialogue is in the game?! ( just can't access the dialogue tree )

Yes, I AM speculating. But it is a speculation based on what happened in Jade Empire, where we KNOW that Microsoft forced Bioware to remove the scene where a female PC kisses Silk Fox.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 16 juillet 2010 - 11:53 .

[Bugzehat]

Ah, I was right -- definitely better than the Kaidan romance! Thanks for the link.

[Collider]

What sodding time constraints are you talking about when the entire dialogue is in the game?!

False. The entire dialog was NOT in the game. Kaidan, for example, did not have romantic lines that acknowledged that Shepard was male. Kaidan calls Shepard a woman.

[Ziggy]

Collider wrote...
@Em: You are forgetting about F/F Miranda. Her and Jack have lines recorded as well. I can upload them if you like.

Them too? I didn't know that. That'd be great - thanks!

[Costin_Razvan]

Collider wrote...

What sodding time constraints are you talking about when the entire dialogue is in the game?!

False. The entire dialog was NOT in the game. Kaidan, for example, did not have romantic lines that acknowledged that Shepard was male. Kaidan calls Shepard a woman.

That might be a bug in the mod. But listen to Shepard speak, and you realize they did record those lines.

[Bugzehat]

Yeah -- kind of sounds like lines that were recorded for Shepard have been cut together with lines for Kaidan and Ashley that were only intended for straight romance. Kind of implies that they recorded the lines for Shepard but it was cut before they recorded lines for Kaidan and Ashley. I could be wrong, though.

[Tora Panthera]

Noviere wrote...

Tirigon wrote...

Wait, Wade and Herren are gay? Really?

I don't think it's been explicitly stated that they are gay... Just implied.

 From http://social.biowar...95300/1#1898481

David Gaider wrote...

Wade & Herren are definitely a couple. Always have been.

[Collider]

Em23 wrote...

Collider wrote...
@Em: You are forgetting about F/F Miranda. Her and Jack have lines recorded as well. I can upload them if you like.

Them too? I didn't know that. That'd be great - thanks!

Here you go.
Lesbian Romance with Miranda
Lesbian Romance with Jack
Wtf

[Collider]

Bugzehat wrote...
Yeah -- kind of sounds like lines that were recorded for Shepard have been cut together with lines for Kaidan and Ashley that were only intended for straight romance. Kind of implies that they recorded the lines for Shepard but it was cut before they recorded lines for Kaidan and Ashley. I could be wrong, though.

If you mod the game, Male Shepard and Female Shepard say most of the gay lines (some are missing), but Ashley & Kaidan still treat Shepard like Shepard is of opposite sex (I assume this is because they simply did not record lines from Ashley & Kaidan's voice actors).

[Grommash94]

Malira wrote...

Noviere wrote...

Tirigon wrote...

Wait, Wade and Herren are gay? Really?

I don't think it's been explicitly stated that they are gay... Just implied.

 From http://social.biowar...95300/1#1898481

David Gaider wrote...

Wade & Herren are definitely a couple. Always have been.

Wow. I did NOT know that. Kudos to BioWare I say

[Costin_Razvan]

Collider wrote...

Bugzehat wrote...
Yeah -- kind of sounds like lines that were recorded for Shepard have been cut together with lines for Kaidan and Ashley that were only intended for straight romance. Kind of implies that they recorded the lines for Shepard but it was cut before they recorded lines for Kaidan and Ashley. I could be wrong, though.

If you mod the game, Male Shepard and Female Shepard say most of the gay lines (some are missing), but Ashley & Kaidan still treat Shepard like Shepard is of opposite sex (I assume this is because they simply did not record lines from Ashley & Kaidan's voice actors).

Either way...my original point was that Bioware is willing to put Gay Romances into games, even those with a PC voiced. If they weren't they wouldn't have bothered to have Hale and Meer record those lines.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 16 juillet 2010 - 12:18 .

[Kalcalan]

I thought the Wade and Herren thing was pretty obvious and it was nice
to see them together in Awakening. The PC's romances may have come to an
abrupt end but theirs seem to flourish! [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/joyful.png[/smilie]

Collider wrote...

Kalcalan wrote...



What I
don't get is that it seems people feel obliged to translate their real
life sexual orientation into the game.



It's supposed to be an
RPG, real life sexual orientation shouldn't matter... Lobbying for
homosexual romances because you're gay is beside the point. What really
matters is whether or not the character is gay.



If in real life I
like redheads with French accents, does it mean that all my characters
are going to share that trait? Certainly not. It's called roleplaying
for a reason. Playing characters with different sexual orientations and
different genders is part of the interest of roleplaying. Playing a gay
character because you're gay in real life is just unimaginative.

You
really do not see why some people may want to play as "themselves" in a
choice heavy game like Dragon Age?

Real life is the game you play as yourself.

For every other self there is an RPG.

filaminstrel wrote...

Kalcalan wrote...

What
I don't get is that it seems people feel obliged to translate their
real life sexual orientation into the game.

It's supposed to be
an RPG, real life sexual orientation shouldn't matter... Lobbying for
homosexual romances because you're gay is beside the point. What really
matters is whether or not the character is gay.

If in real life I
like redheads with French accents, does it mean that all my characters
are going to share that trait? Certainly not. It's called roleplaying
for a reason. Playing characters with different sexual orientations and
different genders is part of the interest of roleplaying. Playing a gay
character because you're gay in real life is just unimaginative.

What
do you think the sales would be like if your character could only be
gay? Yeah, probably pretty bad. Maybe a bastion of progressivism like
you would buy it, but a looooot of other straights would be like, "What,
I'm playing a gay guy? Uh, no thanks."

That would be
interesting but I understand that people would be turned off. I'm
straight by the way but I have gay friends, I don't think that in real life sexual
orientation really makes such a huge difference as far as individuals
are concerned.


I like Zevran a lot because he doesn't fit in the gay stereotype
that society conveys and his reaction to the male warden is interesting
especially when he makes it clear that he has no illusion regarding the
hypocrisy and the self righteousness that some people display.

That
being said if that's the main character we're talking about then we
should be free to make him or her straight, gay or bi. That goes without
saying.

As a side note I always thought that Alistair was in the closet. [kidding]

YokoFactor wrote...

Kalcalan wrote...

What I don't get is that it seems people feel obliged to translate their real life sexual orientation into the game.

It's supposed to be an RPG, real life sexual orientation shouldn't matter... Lobbying for homosexual romances because you're gay is beside the point. What really matters is whether or not the character is gay.

If in real life I like redheads with French accents, does it mean that all my characters are going to share that trait? Certainly not. It's called roleplaying for a reason. Playing characters with different sexual orientations and different genders is part of the interest of roleplaying. Playing a gay character because you're gay in real life is just unimaginative.

By your logic, straight players playing straight characters are unimaginative. If we want people to be imaginative, there definitely should be gay love interests.

Did your argument backfire or what?

Not really no but if you don't mind I'll elaborate to make sure I'm making my point and that you don't misinterpret what I'm trying to say here.

For a straight guy to play a gay character is way more imaginative and thought provoking because it means playing someone who is different. Just like playing a woman in an RPG is a challenge. If you pull it off it can be great but if you fall into the stereotype then you're just making a joke of that character (like a guy playing a promiscuous female character in a chainmail bikini or a gay character straight -pun intended- from the Birdcage).

I'm not saying I'm against same sex romances or resent them. Quite the contrary. I'm objecting to the lobbying which seems based on the ground of being gay in real life. I'm straight and I want more choice to create characters who have back stories and are different from me. In other words, fleshing out a character's sexuality shouldn't be something only gay players are entitled to because of their sexual orientation.

I think that to petition for same sex romances in a game is divisive if you make it a real life argument. I'm in favour of same sex romances for RPing reasons alone and these have nothing to do with real life or my personal sexual orientation.

Modifié par Kalcalan, 16 juillet 2010 - 12:20 .

[Wittand25]

JoePinasi1989 wrote...

I think that statement was largely misunderstood. I don't think that's what he meant by "couple".

Read the whole thread, later it is confirmed that the meaning of couple is lovers in this case.