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[highcastle]

I'm sure the devs have quite a bit on their plate, but I just want to voice my support for same-sex content in the game. I know the number of gamers who'd utilize it might be in the minority, but it's still valued content. I would never demand anything from a developer, but I would ask for a strong effort to be made to add this content to the game.

One of the great things about Origins was the variety of character customization options, romance and sexual preference included. And on a related note, one of my biggest disappointments with ME2 was how those options were taken away. Shepard was a more defined character. Now, I know Mr. Gaider has said that the ME team made their decisions and the DA team makes their own. And he's right that since they included the content in Origins, we really should give them the benefit of the doubt until we have more evidence (you know, after followers have actually been confirmed and revealed).

So I really hope this content stays in the game. Origins was refreshing, and I'd like to see that trend continued into DA2.

[ratzerman]

David Gaider wrote...
That said, the Mass Effect team will make its choices and we'll make ours.

You'll choose to talk to your fans. The Mass Effect team will decide not to.

[Nozybidaj]

ratzerman wrote...

David Gaider wrote...
That said, the Mass Effect team will make its choices and we'll make ours.

You'll choose to talk to your fans. The Mass Effect team will decide not to.

Hehe, big props to Mr. Gaider for that.  Even if I don't think DA2 is shaping up to be a game I am interested in, its nice to see him (and all the other members of the DA team taking time to post) here wading through the storm and being a part of the community.

[Noviere]

ratzerman wrote...
You'll choose to talk to your fans. The Mass Effect team will decide not to.

It's always seemed that way to me, as well. The main Mass Effect folks have always felt distant, though that may just be my imagination. I don't blame them, to be honest... I found there was very little that interested me being discussed on the ME forums, so I haven't spent much time there myself.

Modifié par Noviere, 16 juillet 2010 - 02:34 .

[Addai]

DAO promotion had the Warden as a grunting male hulk, too, and yet there was a m/m romance option for that same Warden. So out of all the things to worry about from the new game, this doesn't seem like one, especially as there has been nothing said about romances of any sort.

[jlb524]

The thing is, those that want heterosexual romances know they will get some in the game, the only questions are, 'How many?' and 'With whom?'



Those that want homosexual romances don't have the luxury to assume they will get romances, though.

[Yana Montana]

jlb524 wrote...

The thing is, those that want heterosexual romances know they will get some in the game, the only questions are, 'How many?' and 'With whom?'

Those that want homosexual romances don't have the luxury to assume they will get romances, though.

JLB speaks the truth.

[Ildaron]

jlb524 wrote...

The thing is, those that want heterosexual romances know they will get some in the game, the only questions are, 'How many?' and 'With whom?'

Those that want homosexual romances don't have the luxury to assume they will get romances, though.

I really don't think this has anything to do with romances. I believe this is just a 'who do I get to have digital sex with'.
Honestly I am very happy with generlization and streamlining, marketing to the largest population possible if only to get rid of the group soley interested in being able to sleep with everything that is a NPC traveling with you.

I have always considered the story to be the interaction of my character with the game world, not with who my character can sleep with.

[jlb524]

Ildaron wrote...

I really don't think this has anything to do with romances. I believe this is just a 'who do I get to have digital sex with'.
Honestly I am very happy with generlization and streamlining, marketing to the largest population possible if only to get rid of the group soley interested in being able to sleep with everything that is a NPC traveling with you.

I have always considered the story to be the interaction of my character with the game world, not with who my character can sleep with.

No, it has everything to do with romances.  I don't see why 'getting rid of a group' of people by not supplying homosexual romances will eliminate this 'I want to sleep with every NPC' mentality.

Actually, the ones I see perpetuate that mentality the most, are those that wish their male character could sleep with every female in the party....that has nothing to do with homosexual romances.

[Noir201]

Ildaron wrote...

I really don't think this has anything to do with romances. I believe this is just a 'who do I get to have digital sex with'.
Honestly I am very happy with generlization and streamlining, marketing to the largest population possible if only to get rid of the group soley interested in being able to sleep with everything that is a NPC traveling with you.

With due respect, that sort of thinking reminds me of what games was like in the 1980s, games need to move forward not backwards.

[Games4ever]

When two girls are together,you also call that homosexual right?



in that case, bring it on :-)

[Tora Panthera]

Ildaron wrote...

I really don't think this has anything to do with romances. I believe this is just a 'who do I get to have digital sex with'.
Honestly I am very happy with generlization and streamlining, marketing to the largest population possible if only to get rid of the group soley interested in being able to sleep with everything that is a NPC traveling with you.

I have always considered the story to be the interaction of my character with the game world, not with who my character can sleep with.

Actually I'd give up all the sex-scenes for more flirting and sweet-talk dialog. "The journey is more important than the destination" as they say.

[Super_Cat]

slimgrin wrote...

My bet is they won't have M/M romance options, since Hawke is a somewhat predefined character, like Shepard.

Though I've read we will have more control over Hawke's personality and history then we did over Shepard's. I'm pretty sure they are making every effort to make Hawke as open a character as possible.

All we know about Hawke is that he/she survives Lothering's darkspawn invasion then 10 years later becomes the champion of Kirkwall. Everything in between leaves a lot of openess to develop Hawke in unique ways specific to the player.

[Johnny Shepard]

I think alot of peaple are being ungrateful. Complaining that there might not be m/m romance in DA2. Lots complaining that the m/m was to sterotyp in DAO or that the romance option was only bi. And everybody seam to forgett that Bioware is the first to have a real m/m romance option in a game. How many games is there that have m/m romance or even g/g romance?

Its just like with Elder Scrolls where people are complaining that there is to little freedom and to small map even when there is no other game that is as big or has the freedom that the Elder Scrolls games have.



Like David said, just because there was a m/m romance option in DAO doesnt mean that there must be one in DA2. And I think we should be grateful that Bioware dared to take the steap in the first place since most develepers does not.

[casedawgz]

I'm all for a m/m/ romance option for those that are into it, but I strongly dislike the gross generalizations that the OP made about heterosexual males.

[Nozybidaj]

slimgrin wrote...

My bet is they won't have M/M romance options, since Hawke is a somewhat predefined character, like Shepard.

I would bet the same.  Whether or not there is a F/F option is probably a 50/50 chance at this point.

[Kalcalan]

Johnny Shepard wrote...

I think alot of peaple are being ungrateful. Complaining that there might not be m/m romance in DA2. Lots complaining that the m/m was to sterotyp in DAO or that the romance option was only bi. And everybody seam to forgett that Bioware is the first to have a real m/m romance option in a game. How many games is there that have m/m romance or even g/g romance?

Jade Empire? Temple of Elemental Evil?

[AllThatJazz]

 Judging from what Mr Gaider said, I'd actually be (cautiously) optimistic. Maybe there won't be exclusive gay romances, but I'm willing to bet there'll be bisexual characters, a la Zev and Leliana.  His comment about inclusivity made me think this. I guess purely gay romances would be a minority pursuit (and I include myself as part of the minority that enjoys playing gay romances) ; whereas a relationship with a bi character would still be available to a gamer who only plays straight characters, therefore they don't get left out.

While I personally roll my eyes at the kind of reactionary thinking that makes people feel revulsion at the idea of in-game homosexuality (though not between two gorgeous women, obviously!), presumably people with this mindset still constitute a large enough part of Bio's audience to be influential. 

Modifié par AllThatJazz, 16 juillet 2010 - 04:17 .

[BeastMTL]

Do I want an m/m relationship (if there are any) in the game.. Of course. It definitely increases my immersion. It it a prerequisite ? Nope. In ME 1/2 since the option wasnt there for it, MY Shep is simply a confirmed bachelor and will stay that way until a m/m comes along (yeah right!). Do I feel a little cheated. Yes, but it didnt ruin the rest of the game for me.



There is so little announced about DA2, that maybe we should at least wait to see IF there are any relationships to start with ?

[NKKKK]

Yup, that's a no

[tmp7704]

David Gaider wrote...

Well, how about this then: we're very aware of the desires of our fans when it comes to romances, whether they be homosexual or otherwise. Being able to include any kind of content that's really only useable by a relatively small percentage of the player base is often problematic-- it's not an issue of "want to" but rather "able to". There's also the issue of where you put the resources you have-- adding content for extra player options is great, but if they're options that many players will not use or event want to use it's not necessarily the best use of those resources. I can't really fault a decision to provide more options for a greater amount of players as opposed to less options for everyone.

While this makes lot of sense, it sort of makes me wonder if one factor isn't getting overlooked here -- that is, if you include the "kind of content useable by a relatively small percentage", the very existence of this content in your game (especially when this content is generally missing in competing products) may become a pull that causes some people to play your game when otherwise they wouldn't really find it interesting enough. And attracting this extra demographics can actually shape/shift your playerbase, perhaps to a point where the "relatively small percentage" is no longer relatively small, making the initial effort and allocation of resources to this venue much easier to justify?

Incidentally, having read these comments... i understand you aren't yet ready to talk about companions and so any romance details are out of the question, but can you perhaps give some general idea if the amount of potential LIs in DA2 is similar to the previous game, or is this area being scaled down (well, down because i don't quite imagine it growing further)  I'm asking mainly because with the race selection limited just to humans i suppose the devs could feel tempted to "streamline" this part of the game as well, in some manner...

Modifié par tmp7704, 16 juillet 2010 - 04:33 .

[Riona45]

Kalcalan wrote...

If in real life I like redheads with French accents, does it mean that all my characters are going to share that trait? Certainly not. It's called roleplaying for a reason. Playing characters with different sexual orientations and different genders is part of the interest of roleplaying. Playing a gay character because you're gay in real life is just unimaginative.

Then I guess we straight players need gay romances so we can be imaginative, too.   

[Rixxencaxx]

David Gaider wrote...

TeachingFellow wrote...
I really do hope that Dragon Age continues to be a high-point for gays in video games.  However, I don't want to be one of those who champions something as a given only to be betrayed in the end.  I'd rather sheepishly apologize later for--unintentionally--inflammatory comments than come on after the game is out and say "I was sure they wouldn't forget us in this game."  I don't know what DA2 will be like, and I do hope that I'm wrong, but yelling at me to wait until I hear more won't change the truth of what I said if I happen to be right.

Well, how about this then: we're very aware of the desires of our fans when it comes to romances, whether they be homosexual or otherwise. Being able to include any kind of content that's really only useable by a relatively small percentage of the player base is often problematic-- it's not an issue of "want to" but rather "able to". There's also the issue of where you put the resources you have-- adding content for extra player options is great, but if they're options that many players will not use or event want to use it's not necessarily the best use of those resources. I can't really fault a decision to provide more options for a greater amount of players as opposed to less options for everyone.

There's a fallacy at work among people who come to these forums that romances, once they're included in a game, become a right-- that if we have romances they must be allocated "fairly" or it's disciminatory. But you don't have a right to romances in a game-- any more than you have a right to free worship or to be an elf. It's a difficult issue to discuss, because we don't look on it as an issue of fairness. It's content, like any other sort of content, and we'll only ever be able to include a limited amount of it so we have to make the best of it we can, and we're always going to try and be inclusive of as many of our players' desires are we can.

That said, the Mass Effect team will make its choices and we'll make ours. We'll be happy to let you know what we have in store for you-- when we're ready to even discuss followers in general, never mind romances and the distributions thereof. It's a little early to get upset about this, but I'd like to think that the Dragon Age team has displayed enough willingness in the past to include this kind of content that we'd get a pass-- at least for the moment. But maybe I'm wrong.

Well...i'm pretty sure that you are aware of  alistair gay mod.
It is free, a bunch of kb and works really well.
Using the mod you never feel that alistair should have been straight.
So....to be straight......same sex relationship is not about money it is only about creative/political/artistic choice.
However i am not too worried as long as modders exist.
Modders gave us a gay shepard too....

P.S.
Judging from the news we have about dao 2 i suppose we will not have  romances at all.

Modifié par Rixxencaxx, 16 juillet 2010 - 04:48 .