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[The Unfallen]

This has been puzzling me.

Everyone talks about getting the allegiance of the Krogan, Turians, Asari, etc, etc...

I'm just wondering...

...where do you get this opportunity in ME 2? Or is it in ME 1?

Also, I NEVER recall getting the option to not tell or tell the Quarians to not go to war. To war? With whom? And where do you get this opportunity?

So, I obviously remember the Rachni, if you free them they are allies, but, I don't recall any other side missions / assigments where you get to do this. If somebody could provide all the allies you can accumulate for ME 3, and where you can pick them up (and which game they're in) it would be much appreciate. XP

[The Big Nothing]

Freeing the rachni queen ensures their loyalty to Shepard, as far as we know.

Not killing Wrex ensures that he unites the krogan clans.

The loyalty of turians, asari, etc, etc has not been a part of gameplay.

And Jesus, did you skip through every bit of dialogue?
Tali's entire loyalty mission is about quarian hostility with the geth, and the potential for full-scale war between the two.
At the conclusion of Tali's trial, you can go around asking the quarians in the makeshift courtroom to go/not go to war.

Modifié par The Big Nothing, 16 juillet 2010 - 03:29 .

[Netzach]

When Shepard is in the migrant fleet, you see 3 admirals, one wants to reprogram the geth, another to find a new world and the last to declare war against geth and recover his homeworld. Then, in the tali trial you can told them an advice like "go to war is the best idea" or "forget the geth, they earn their freedom". Well there it is.

But, of course, it's an advice, BioWare can make the war happen or not, but since geth are building a "death star geth" and doesn't need worlds (legion dixit) quarians should just wait until the war against the reapers is over and the death star finished, then recover their homeworld and be friend with the deathstar geth (because the plan is to delete all other physical geth and be one single giant geth).

Allies:
- Rachni - by saving the queen in Mass Effect 1
- Krogan - by helping Wrex not killing him in Mass Effect 1 (recovering his armor maybe?) and the things you do for the Urdnot clan in Mass Effect 2
- Quarian - by helping them in Tali's pilgrimaje (ME1), Haestrom and the Tali's Trial, because as is said in the end Tali has support to be Admiral in the flotilla (and she accepts for sure between ME2 and ME3)
- Geth - been nice with Legion? be neutral, respect both sides (quarian and legion geths), help him in his loyalty mission. I don't think that the loyalty choice (reprogram or destroy) is going to be decisive here, but the numbers count, less geth less power, but still: death star geth.
- Alliance - they're not going to be out of this war. For god sake they are humans, they love wars like krogans do.
- The council: they have to be there, but Mordin and Liara will help.
- Cerberus: like the Alliance if they are really what they say, then they will be with you no matter what you did, after all they are still working on their things, making a reaper and stuff, no matter what shepard did at the end of ME2.

Modifié par kanuvis, 16 juillet 2010 - 03:41 .

[angj57]

If you didn't blow up the base (or remained civil with TIM) then you can also probably count on Cerberus' support as well. 

Cerberus will probably support Shepard no matter what. Even he did blow up the base and ****** them off, if the choice is between supporting Shepard or being wiped out by the Reapers, the Illusive Man will chose the former.

If you actually talk to the other Quarians during Tali's quest, you will have the option to give them advice on whether or not to attack the Geth.

Modifié par angj57, 16 juillet 2010 - 03:47 .

[cbutz]

yea I didn't go around the court room telling them to not go or go to war...think that might bite me in the but, but oh well. It makes things more interesting.

[The Unfallen]

Shandepared wrote...

Wrex uniting the krogan clans doesn't necessarily guarantee the krogan are your ally. They may very well have their own agenda. The same with the quarians. Whether or not you tell them to go to war it's not your decision and they haven't sworm themselves to you. If you recruited Legion and did his loyalty I mission I think you probably CAN count on the geth. When Legion joins you it specifically states your opposition to the "old Machines" as reason for the alliance.

If you didn't blow up the base (or remained civil with TIM) then you can also probably count on Cerberus' support as well.

The turians, asari, salarians, and hell, even the humans? I wouldn't count on any of them so far.

So basically Paragon Shepard's allies:
- Rachni
- Krogan
- Quarian
- Geth
- The Council

Renegade Shepard:
- Cerberus
- Alliance

...well, I glad I am not a racist renegade Shepard. I could always be neutral and get both. I don't think it is really going to matter in Mass Effect 3 personally, I think we under-estimate the sheer power of Reaper Indoctrination, and we could very well be outnumbered by Reaper forces in the next game no matter what we do.

[Netzach]

I'm renegade (at least my main Shepard) and i have the Rachni, the krogans, the quarians, the geth and cerberus (don't know about the rest), and yes, full renegade.

Being renegade doesn't mean to be stupid or racist.
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I was thinking, we don't have the Batarians, maybe in ME3 we recruit them or they are going to be the first indoctrinated because of their hate against humanity.

Modifié par kanuvis, 16 juillet 2010 - 03:56 .

[Netzach]

I hate the "edit" in this forums so new post.

About paragon allies:

Theory about the Rachni: they were indoctrinated by sovereign when they started the war that almost destroyed them, and they will be easily indoctrinatde again.

Theory about the Geth: reprograming the geths will cause them to believe again in the Reapers when they re-appear and in this process they will convert the rest of the geths.

Every choice has to had a consecuence right? Why good choices have to be rewarded?

Modifié par kanuvis, 16 juillet 2010 - 04:00 .

[Cheese Elemental]

Shandepared wrote...

That Yellow Bastard

Renegade Shepard:
- Cerberus
- Alliance

No reason a renegade can't have the quarians, geth, and krogan on their side as well. Not to mention the human-controlled Council. A renegade will also have better technology to fight the Reapers with and won't need to rely on throwing bodies at them until they run out of ammunition like the paragon will.

That assumes that
a) TIM doesn't abuse the Collector base and
that it's going to win the war for you.

We don't know **** about the Reapers, and the Collector base might (MIGHT) be just that - a Collector base, not a Reaper base.

We can't state absolutes when ME3 hasn't even been officially announced yet.

[Cheese Elemental]

[quote]Shandepared wrote...

[quote]Cheese Elemental wrote...

That assumes that
a) TIM doesn't abuse the Collector base and
that it's going to win the war for you.[/quote]

I see no reason TIM would "abuse" the base (whatever that means). It won't win the war for you, but it will certainly increase your chances. It's better than just throwing bodies at the Reapers.[/quote]
1. Cerberus is human-supremacist. This is obvious.
2. You're fallaciously assuming that the only tactic Paragons will have is throwing bodies at the Reapers until they lose.

[quote]Cheese Elemental wrote...

We don't know **** about the Reapers, and the Collector base might (MIGHT) be just that - a Collector base, not a Reaper base.[/quote]

I could have sworn they were building a REAPER in that base...

DUrrr.

[/quote]
Yes, the Collectors were building a Human-Reaper, presumably to try and eliminate humanity entirely (Shepard proves that they're a major threat).

Did you see any other Reapers drifting around? I think not.

Why keep this up? To state outright that your way is the only way is not only rude, but fallacious. Logic doesn't enter into it, because this is an open-ended video game (not to mention a work of fiction), not real life. Your constant and vehement whining about how everybody who doesn't play like you is irrational and stupid just makes you look childish and ignorant.
But whatever. If it's more comfortable having your head up your arse, then power to you, man. Most people have more fun discussing a game they love instead of arguing about it.

[Cheese Elemental]

Shandepared wrote...

Cheese Elemental wrote...

1. Cerberus is human-supremacist. This is obvious.
2. You're fallaciously assuming that the only tactic Paragons will have is throwing bodies at the Reapers until they lose.

Cerberus and I have the same philosophy. You are right I a making an assumption about the paragons, but it is ar easonable one so long as I try not to meta-game. If I do then I must conclude that chances are Bioware will write in some sort of Mcguffin for you to find so that you can save yourself from your own naive stupidity.

There you go again. This isn't a real-life situation, it's a VIDEO GAME. Grow up.

Shandepared wrote...

Cheese Elemental wrote...

Did you see any other Reapers drifting around? I think not.

Of-course not, they're in dark-space.

And they might not have left every tiny detail about them in the Collector base.

Shandepared wrote...

Cheese Elemental wrote...

To state outright that your way is the only way is not only rude, but fallacious.

I can't help being better than everyone else.

Being arrogant and ignorant aren't good qualities. I know better people than you on 4chan.

Modifié par Cheese Elemental, 16 juillet 2010 - 05:35 .

[Cheese Elemental]

Shandepared wrote...

Cheese Elemental wrote...

And they might not have left every tiny detail about them in the Collector base.

If you don't save the base you'll never know what might be in there.

And if you do find something of value, TIM has it, not you. He might use it to fight the Reapers at first, but then what? He's not going to back down if he has superior technology.

[Cheese Elemental]

Shandepared wrote...

Cheese Elemental wrote...

And if you do find something of value, TIM has it, not you. He might use it to fight the Reapers at first, but then what? He's not going to back down if he has superior technology.

That's good because unlike TIM I don't have my own private covert ops organization that can put the technology to good use. I don't care what TIM uses the technology for afterword so long as it helps humanity. So far I see no reason to believe he wouldn't use it to stop the Reapers and to help humanity.

Establishing a human government to rule over the galaxy is a bad thing. Humanity as a whole has often proven that they're reckless and selfish. A good government is built on unity. You can even see it in ME2 if the Council died; because humans have more power than everyone else, the aliens are restless and it could lead to galaxy-spanning rebellions.

[angj57]

Cheese Elemental wrote...

Establishing a human government to rule over the galaxy is a bad thing. Humanity as a whole has often proven that they're reckless and selfish. A good government is built on unity.

The same reason humans shouldn't rule the galaxy alone can be applied to the current council. While Vorcha, Bataarians, and, to some extent, Volus seem to be 2 dimmensional, greedy/evil "bad guy" species, I can see no reason why Quarians, Krogans, Hannhar, Elcor, Drell, and, until recently, humanity, are governed without representation.

[Fiery Phoenix]

That Yellow Bastard wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

Wrex uniting the krogan clans doesn't necessarily guarantee the krogan are your ally. They may very well have their own agenda. The same with the quarians. Whether or not you tell them to go to war it's not your decision and they haven't sworm themselves to you. If you recruited Legion and did his loyalty I mission I think you probably CAN count on the geth. When Legion joins you it specifically states your opposition to the "old Machines" as reason for the alliance.

If you didn't blow up the base (or remained civil with TIM) then you can also probably count on Cerberus' support as well.

The turians, asari, salarians, and hell, even the humans? I wouldn't count on any of them so far.

So basically Paragon Shepard's allies:
- Rachni
- Krogan
- Quarian
- Geth
- The Council

Renegade Shepard:
- Cerberus
- Alliance

...well, I glad I am not a racist renegade Shepard. I could always be neutral and get both. I don't think it is really going to matter in Mass Effect 3 personally, I think we under-estimate the sheer power of Reaper Indoctrination, and we could very well be outnumbered by Reaper forces in the next game no matter what we do.

Am I missing something here, why would the Alliance side with Renegade Shepard? Cerberus I can understand, but the Alliance?

Modifié par FieryPhoenix7, 16 juillet 2010 - 06:22 .

[Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams]

I find it hilarious yet a bit sad that so many people are so quick to trust the Rachni but dismiss Cerberus as pure evil and do everything they can to not let TIM help them.

[angj57]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

That Yellow Bastard wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

Wrex uniting the krogan clans doesn't necessarily guarantee the krogan are your ally. They may very well have their own agenda. The same with the quarians. Whether or not you tell them to go to war it's not your decision and they haven't sworm themselves to you. If you recruited Legion and did his loyalty I mission I think you probably CAN count on the geth. When Legion joins you it specifically states your opposition to the "old Machines" as reason for the alliance.

If you didn't blow up the base (or remained civil with TIM) then you can also probably count on Cerberus' support as well.

The turians, asari, salarians, and hell, even the humans? I wouldn't count on any of them so far.

So basically Paragon Shepard's allies:
- Rachni
- Krogan
- Quarian
- Geth
- The Council

Renegade Shepard:
- Cerberus
- Alliance

...well, I glad I am not a racist renegade Shepard. I could always be neutral and get both. I don't think it is really going to matter in Mass Effect 3 personally, I think we under-estimate the sheer power of Reaper Indoctrination, and we could very well be outnumbered by Reaper forces in the next game no matter what we do.

Am I missing something here, why would the Alliance side with Renegade Shepard? Cerberus I can understand, but the Alliance?

Ummm... because they don't want to die? Shepard is the leading force against the Reapers, who want to wipe everyone out. For the same reason, I think Cerberus will eventually support even a Paragon Shepard. When survival is at stake, you can't be too picky about your allies.

BUT, obviously someone who has made Paragon choices could have the Rachni as a possible ally, while someone who has made Renegade choices would have a stronger Cerberus ally, presuming they found new technology and information at the Collector base.

[snfonseka]

Renegade VS. Paragon

Here, we go AGAIN ........... :innocent: