54 Antworten in diesem Thema

[Jet_Truebow]

I just thought people might need this information from the old forums. hope this helps

 

Posted 11/01/09 23:11 (GMT) by Selene Moonsong

I installed Windows 7 Ultimate X86 (32-bit version) this weekend and finally got around to installing and running a few tests on NWN 2, so far it has been good. 

OS Install Process: Install Windows 7, go online and install DX9.0c (Redist), then run all the other Win 7 updates. I finally installed NWN 2 in the following order:

1. Install NWN 2 (did not update) I launched game to first conversation then closed.
2. Install MoTB (did not update)
3. Install SoZ (did not update)
4. Launched NWN 2 and ran the Update option from the launcher menu, then closed the game.

I next added back all my saved games and some custom content I use as well as my modules I'm working on along with thier haks.

Ran the game, and it appears to be working just fine at this point.

Bearbeitet von Jet_Truebow, 16 Juli 2010 - 07:33 .

[Jet_Truebow]

NWN2 needs DX9 fact tidbits for Win7

Posted 04/21/10 01:58 (GMT) by dunniteowl



Download and install: DX9.0c.



For whatever reason, the Win7 sometimes needs to have the old DX9.0c in it to run the toolset. Some folks have gotten away with it, but occasionally, it crashes like you're talking about in your post.



DX9 is not a "downgrade" from DX10 or 11. They are not compatible with each other due to technology changes and can peacefully coexist on your system.



best regards,

dunniteowl

[Selene Moonsong]

In short, NWN 2 works well on WIndows 7 installations. The only problem of late has been NVIDIA drivers, which can be resolved by using older 196 drivers for 8800 through 200 video cards or the 258 beta drivers for 8800 through 400 video cards.

[Tooneyman]

It works good on Vista too. Just a little slow. I'm glad you posted this. When I get an upgrade I might have to re-install. ='( all the lost data.

[Jet_Truebow]

Yes I just recently installed NWN2 for a new playthrough. (coz I bought a sweet new Nvidia GTS250 1GB which I haven't tried on NWN2) and I am having problem with some areas. notably the exterior of the weeping willow in, and Fort Locke, the colors are inverted.

Currently using 257.21 drivers will try 258 beta drivers to fix. Thanks!

Edit: Non-beta 258.96 drivers are out now. I'll try that.

Edit: I can confirm that installing 258.96 WHQL drivers as Selene said, removes my original problem of colors inverted in weeping willow inn and fort locke. Thanks.

Bearbeitet von Jet_Truebow, 20 Juli 2010 - 03:03 .

[Farem]

My copy is installed on a Win7 computer aswell and the only thing i had to do was run the game in administrator mode and everything runs fine.

[MonitorAccess]

I wish I had checked here when I installed NWN the other day.

I bought NWN 2 a ouple years ago, then days after I got it, the PC I was on crashed.  Until I finally got a new PC last week I have not been able to play the game.

So of course the new PC has Win 7 on it, and I had problems and contacted Atari for support.

Still..reading this thread DID let me know to install DX 9.0c so I can now use the toolset.

So...now I got tons of adventure laying ahead of me!  WOo HOO!

[Jet_Truebow]

Additional Windows 7 info quoted from dno and NWNDM. Thanks. could be important so reposted here.

dunniteowl wrote...

Win7 is a sneaky tricky beast. Sometimes it runs the game and toolset with no issues whatsoever, even without DX 9.0c Redistributable I didn't know there was a 64 bit version of any DX distro, but if there is, I'd certainly think using that would be preferable on a 64bit system.

On Win7 64bit, you will have to make sure that you install .Net 64, I believe this is still on the original NWN2 OC disc. There is a folder called: [your CD/DVD drive]\\ NWN2\\ Prereq.


This has the installation procedure for .net. Yes, yes, yes, I know Win Vista and Win7 both come with .net installed already. If you install NWN2 and have trouble opening and using the toolset, then I would recommend running the .net installation program off the disc. Yeah, it's gonna tell you that you already have .net (and a new shinier one to boot) installed. That's cool. Just give it your best shot.

The toolset must use .net to run, the game doesn't.

The toolset could possibly work better than in other OS!!

NWN DM wrote...

The toolset needs the right version of DirectX (v 9c I believe... someone will correct me if I'm wrong).
a) if you don't have that the toolset will behave badly
and
if you get the 64-bit version of W7 (suggested IMHO), you need to make sure you get the right version of DirectX v 9c - the one for 64-bit OSes.
If you do that (there should be a link somewhere to the actual file download from MS), your toolset will be stable as it can be (make sure you've got at least 6 GB of ram).
On my new system, I've had one toolset crash in the past three months, and that's leaving it open for hours and hours. On my old computer, it would crash every 45 minutes or so... the difference between a new system and one that was 6 years old.

Bearbeitet von dunniteowl, 23 Juli 2010 - 04:18 .

[NWN DM]

The toolset could possibly work better than in other OS!!

Yes, I'd say the Toolset is as stable as I've ever seen it in W7 64-bit.  A very good choice if you're a builder.

[The Fred]

The toolset has been a bit dodgy on my Win7 laptop, but it seems to be a bit dodgy regardless, so it doesn't bother me that much.

[Jet_Truebow]

The Fred wrote...

The toolset has been a bit dodgy on my Win7 laptop, but it seems to be a bit dodgy regardless, so it doesn't bother me that much.

I haven't (or beyond my capabilities) delved on the technical side of this. But it is possible the module you are working on has been buggy in the beginning, if you try a new one from scratch in pure windows7 it may work much more seamlessly. (just a guess don't hold me to it though)

[Vaalyah]

Question: why my NWN2 works perfectly while the toolset just crashes? (Win7 pro 64bit, ATI gpu, the game has been patched and DirectX 9.0c installed)

Is it a problem with Win7?

[Selene Moonsong]

No, the yoolset works well with Win 7. What is important is having the latest version of DX 9.0c (Redistributable) and .NET Frameworks 3.5.



Also, when building with the toolset, I recommend turning off the 'Autosave' feature and simply remember to save often. As a side note to that, files can become fragmented after re-saving several times over the same files, and it woul be a very good idea to defrag your drives regularly, and to make incremental saves as well to start of with fresh saves periodically.

[Vaalyah]

Hmmm, no, what's happened to me is a bit different. The toolset loads but if I try to click on it (in whatever place) it freezes and the only thing I could do is to abort the process.

Moreover, I also had problem with crafting in game or with mods that can modify the objects... maybe is a problem with .NET...

[Selene Moonsong]

This sounds more like an issue to discuss in the NWN 2 Technical Support (Self-Help)  forum.

Bearbeitet von Selene Moonsong, 17 August 2010 - 07:26 .

[Vaalyah]

Sure, already done... not answered yet, unfortunately :-(

[Jet_Truebow]

Hi Vaalyah: this might help (copy pasted from the old NWN2 forums), you may be right about being a .NET problem. Please let us know how it goes, as it may help a lot of other people who will encounter the same problem..

dunniteowl wrote ...

The toolset will not function without the DX9 install. You might also have to disable Visual Themes and the Aero interface. Setting the NWN2 Launcher for WinXP compatibility is also a good idea. Lastly, you may have to attempt to launch an install of .net, even though Win7 comes with .net v3.5, it may not have all the necessary functions or calls activated to run the toolset properly. You can get .netFX64.exe to attempt to install this if you have the 64 bit version. Otherwise, you can explore the Disc (or the install files that were downloaded) for a folder called Prereq and run the Windows Installer for the .net install.

Bearbeitet von Jet_Truebow, 20 August 2010 - 01:56 .

[dunniteowl]

Please note the information above is with regard to Vista. That said. it still works as a general troubleshooting method for Win7. Differences are: You should not have to disable Visual Themes; you should not have to set for WinXP (SP3) Compatibility. That doesn't mean it won't work when all else fails, just that, by and large, you shouldn't have to.

As to the 64 bit version, there seems to be considerable success once the .net64exe installation is done.

DX9 is required for the toolset to run, but, in some cases, Win7 folks have been able to both run the game and use the toolset straight up from installation without going through any fancy hoops. Not always, though a fair number are reporting successful installation and running with nothing more than loading it up and going. This leads me to believe that hardware, and possibly firmware, differences in machines is the ultimate culprit. The above troubleshooting tips have seemed to resolve nearly all, but the most difficult cases of issues.

dunniteowl

[Vaalyah]

Thank you all. Of course, till my new gpu (the older has broken after 1 month of life ' ) has arrived, I can't check all these suggestions. But don't doubt I'll come back for answering... also because I don't think the problem would be so easy to fix :-D

[MindYerBeak]

Vista is the worse OS ever released. Win 3.1 is better. I had Vista on my laptop. It got slower and slower and slower. You'd be much better off with Win XP. It took over 5 minutes just to boot into Windows. I decided to upgrade my gaming rig which would include Win 7 Ultimate.



My new rig:



Win 7 Ultimate 64 Bit

AMD Phenom II X4 3.4Mhz overclocked to 3.9Mhz

ATI Radeon HD 5970 2Gb

Asus Republic Of Gamers mobo

60Gb SSD

4Gb Dominator 1800Mhz Memory



I installed Win 7 on the SSD. It now takes only 13 seconds to boot into Windows. What a difference to bootup time.



I then installed NWN 2 on the SSD. The disk wouldn't Autoplay, so I ran the 'Run in Compatibilty Mode for Win XP'. It installed and updated very, very quickly compared to Vista, which took half a lifetime.



I set all graphics to max and NWN 2 has changed into a completely new game. Animation is silky smooth and Camera scrolling is now a breeze and no longer an effort. Graphical effects of spells are nothing short of awesome, there's no other way to describe it. To say I'm impressed would be an understatement. The new gameplay justifies the expense. NWN 2 is now a joy to play and no longer a chore. No more 800 x 600 low resulution.



Get yourself a 60Gb SSD, folks, if you don't already own one and live a new life, free from stress. There's plenty of room on the disk for the OS and a few games. I still have 29Gb free after installing Win 7 and NWN 2. It's about £120 from ebuyer and worth every penny. You'll enjoy NWN 2 much more.

[Jet_Truebow]

That SSD sounds really sick. very nice. Still waiting for it though to go down in price and bigger in size. Technology is awesome.



Recently upgraded my PC as well



I now have (though not as great as yours)

Windows 7 Home Basic 32-Bit (Yes I thought home basic comes with 64-bit, but its not)

AMD Phenom II X4 945 (cleared up the CPU bottleneck)

4GB Ram DDR3

MSI 870-G45

Palit GTS 250

1.5 TB Seagate SATA

[MindYerBeak]

They're practically giving away 7200 HDDs now, a sign they're getting rid of old stock and a reduction in price of SSDs should be just around the corner.

The camera problem has dissappeared, it's now silky smooth and a pleasure to use. I tend to suspect the SSD is responsible for this, I can't see it being the graphics card since moving the camera would need to access the code on the SSD, I would think. An added bonus.

[dunniteowl]

Actually the camera controls should be loaded into memory and held there or on page memory (and if it is cached in page memory, then then SSD could provide a benefit.) If you have a butt load of RAM (more than 4G) then that's the most likely source of your new silkiness. Looking at your specs, you've got a 2G video card, 4G of RAM, so I'd bet that's where your improvement comes from.

How are your Area Transitions? The SSD should make that occur pretty nimbly. The SSD should make page memory and things like transitions or switching between applications run much faster

Now I'm not saying the camera smoothness isn't due in part to the SSD, I'm saying that it's a lot more likely to be that additional video memory and system RAM.

When I was trained for NT Admin and Support, (and pretty much ever since when it comes to fixing and upgrading computers) the adage is: the fastest and cheapest way to improve any computer's performance is to Add RAM. Then again, what's a hard drive that's all on Silicon? Basically it's SRAM.

Check those Area Transitions and your game's initial load times. That's where your SSD should really shine.

dno

[MindYerBeak]

Area transmissions are 3 seconds at the most so far, usually 1 second . The game loads in seconds. I'll take your advice on the RAM front. I want to increase the RAM to 8Gb eventually. I've yet to overclock the memory and vid card, so there should be a significant improvement when I do. Immediate area transitions should be the order of the day. It's taken me 8 years or so to update my rig, so I splashed out for top notch parts, even down to the case, building it myself. Even so, it was considerably cheaper than purchasing a similar specced rig from an online store.



The SSD I purchased has just dropped £10 in price, so it won't be too long before they become mainstream.

[Zorky.be]

This is confirmed on win 7 x64 bit just installed with the instructions and it playes fine.