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But since DA lore draws unto my deepest curious nature I decided to break things up into little pieces and consider them separately. So this one's about the Old Gods.
What do we know about them for certain?
- They sleep underground. In places Scattered all across Thedas.
- They are supposed to be imprisoned by a lot of sources (But then how, by just waking up frees them? Is sleep their prison? Is their physical body their prison?)
- They attract Darkspawn through some kind of song.
- They were worshipped by the Tevinter Imperium (TI).
- They look like High Dragons (have its powers including fire-like breath).
- They are nigh-immortal (if killed transfer their soul to the next guy with Darkspawn taint).
- They can shape-shift. (The next guy from the point above again turns into a High-Dragon).
- They are actually smart. The can telepathically "talk" to Darkspawn and lead them strategically.
- They sleep until awakened. If awakened by Darkspawn, immediately become corrupted (info from the Architect).
- There are 7 of them in popular lore.
1. Flemeth can shapeshift into a High-Dragon!
2. Flemeth is functionally immortal due to the fact that she can transfer her
soul into her "daughters' '' bodies.
3. Flemeth is damn old.
4. Flemeth knows a ritual to transfer Old God souls into Humans!
I earlier postulated that Flemeth is an Old god herself from the above comparison. But that means that her back-story (the entire Conobar/Osen story) is entirely false or has some BIG hole in it. But of this conjecture I grow less and less certain (I mean hesitant not non-believer).
The dragons are actually very strangely named for deities: Chaos, Beauty, Night, Mystery, Silence, Chains, Fire.
The Old Gods were already in the Dragon form when the TI mages first met them (whether in fade or elsewhere is open to debate). it seems possible that his meeting was in the Fade, as they were asleep otherwise. What they offered the TI archons for their servitude though is a mystery, can be very well be immortality (Codex : Drake's fall). They could/might have goaded the Archons or the magisters to attack the Black city. It is clear from the Thedas timeline on Gameinformer that the archons started worshipping the Old Gods BEFORE they attacked Arlathan.
So it seems quite clear that:
1. The Old Gods indeed were dragon-form creatures.
2. The Imperium did NOT worship a Maker deity. Neither did the elves.
3. The Imperium Magisters never became immortal, though some of them were twisted into strange shapes due to overexposure to Lyrium (or alternatively, demonic possession).
4. The Old Gods possibly taught the Magisters secrets of blood magic but there is an alternative theory that says the knowledge came from Elves. Elves do indeed know blood magic amongst other kind of magic (Remember
Zathrian).
Following very pertinent questions to ask would be:
1. Why are the Old Gods in Dragon shape? Were they always like that? Mr. Gaider has clearly stated that they are NOT spirits (http://old.dragonage...ngle/1245169500)
2. Why are the Old Gods always sleeping?
3. Why do they sing out to the creatures of tainted blood?
4. Why is Flemeth the only person with powers similar to the Old Gods? If her powers come from only experimentation and/or possession, why is she special? If it is the possession, why does she retain her mind?
BTW by popular lore she comes from Highever (whatever,wherever).
Now some really believable conjecture:
Old Gods and the Elven Forgotten Ones are spelt similarly in the lore (capitalization of the words). This smells like a clue. Fen'Harel had trapped the Forgotten One's in the Abyss. Now this could be a version of elven hell OR it could mean what it actually means: the Deep. Where the Old Gods actually sleep. The reason to doubt his is that the Elves do not hear the Forgotten Ones in their dreams. But they never did perhaps, that why the epithet "Forgotten".
The Old Gods/ Forgotten Ones are an obvious reference to Lovecraftian Old Gods. Malevolent, Sleepy, Reptilian and Underground with the same Capitalization Form, boy do they match! More importantly Arlathan, when sunk, sounds like R'yleh of Cthulhu fame and the Dark Spawn like Deep Ones. The Lovecraftian theology is EXTREMELY popular amongst the post-modern fantasy writers, mind you.
Beyond this I do have theories but they are all pure conjecture... so perhaps this thread is not a good place to put them. BUT argument over the above stated points in invited most eagerly!!!
Please contribute generously to it....
EDIT: ARRGHHHHHH!! I do understand that the Codexii are subjective opinions! I am not THAT dumb guys. So please stop reminding me of that. All the above statements are true INDEPEDNENT of the Codex entries. That's why its called a monograph.
EDIT: Corrected formatting
Modifié par SirShreK, 16 juillet 2010 - 10:55 .
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