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[Risax]

iTomes wrote...

exactly. and flemeth more was like "i see them child blahblah dancing in the moonlight *insane laughter*". so i cant imagine that flemeth is the old flemeth in this game. its rather morrigan saying hey im flemeth witch of the wilds. maybe THATS how flemeth is passed on. i mean, flemeth says morrigan saw what flemeth WANTED her to see. morrigans whole edjucation leads to that. i mean shes raised a strong independent woman. if i wanted a vessel i would make her weak and easy to scare and i wouldn't send her on a journey so she gains even more experience...

I think it is indeed a big possebility that it is Morrigan.
BUT in one of the party banters between Zevran and Morrigan it is mentioned that a powerful witch moved into the swamps near Antiva, and Morrigan says she will not take on her Mothers title.
Maybe this Antivan witch is another daughter who escaped Flemeth, and she heard of Flemeths 'death' thus taking her title.
OR Flemeth had this daughter as a 'back-up' of sorts and took over her body while she least expected it, she was lulled into a false sense of security and all.

[iTomes]

i could imagine that. maybe flemeth is some kind of symbiotic demon, leaving the victim many parts of its personality and gives it great power but thatfore living in its body and slowly drivin the vessel insane (remember old flemeth).

[Risax]

SirShreK wrote...

iTomes wrote...

exactly. and flemeth more was like "i see them child blahblah dancing in the moonlight *insane laughter*". so i cant imagine that flemeth is the old flemeth in this game. its rather morrigan saying hey im flemeth witch of the wilds. maybe THATS how flemeth is passed on. i mean, flemeth says morrigan saw what flemeth WANTED her to see. morrigans whole edjucation leads to that. i mean shes raised a strong independent woman. if i wanted a vessel i would make her weak and easy to scare and i wouldn't send her on a journey so she gains even more experience...

Excellent...

Perhaps the Old Flemeth needs to die before an new can be born (possessed) anew.

Hmmm... also something I considerd, there where probably more daughters like Morrigan who managed to overpower Flemeth and took her secrets to themselves. At least thats what I thought you meant.

[iTomes]

well morrigan lies like noone else in this game. what do you expect her to say? mwahahahaa as soon as you morons killed my mother ill take her title mwahahahaha.... wait did i just say that or think that....

[Kaiser Shepard]

SirShreK wrote...

NOT Arlathan forrest. The silent plains, where you rightly point out, the final battle with Dumat was fought. it is curious that the Silent Plains are at the center of the continent,  where according to the history of Arlathan, was the city situated. I would like to draw you attention there again. The shape of the silen "Plains" is rather like a depression, surrounded by mountains (the white patches, since there are no clouds on the map).

About Retconning: Gaider and CO. posses all the rights to Retcon any theory into being, including the OGB alive/dead.

I would like to discuss this: The central plot lines of DA universe are about:

1. Arlathan
2. Blood Magic
3. Elven History and pantheon (fen'harel)
4 A touch of Flemeth/Morrigan.

Sure, I acknowledge the power that the writers have. That doesn't mean I have to like it, though, having a canon induced on a series about choice.

If it makes you feel any better, I still like the writers themselves. David still owes me a conclusive answer as to the DR being canonized or not after I've either written or traveled to the Vatican (inside joke).

Where exactly do you get the Arlethan being in the middle of the Silent Plains from? I cannot find any source to this.

Also:

"Ancient elves worshipped a pantheon of five gods and four goddesses. Their mythology also mentions another set of gods called the "Forgotten Ones", the enemies of the elven pantheon. Only Fen'Harel, the trickster god of the elven pantheon, was able to walk freely between both groups. Elven legend attributes the failure of their gods to intervene in the fall of Elvhenan to Fen'Harel, who, it is claimed, deceived both the elven pantheon and the Forgotten Ones, trapping the former away in heaven and the latter in the abyss, where they could no longer influence events in the mortal world."

To take away that the thought some seem to have that the Gods of the Pantheon are the Forgotten Ones: they are seperate Pantheons. Heaven is very obviously the Golden City in here, whille the abyss is under Thedas. Which means the "Maker" might be 8 seperate entities (or the 8 trapped elven gods fused or something).

Fen'Harel would probably be Flemeth, also note how Fen's wolf form looks like Morrigan's.
http://images2.wikia...el_Statue_2.jpg

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 16 juillet 2010 - 01:45 .

[Lord Gremlin]

Flemeth is an Old God. This is definitely not cOLD OP, it's not like everybody who read Codex figured that out by the end of DAO..

[Risax]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

SirShreK wrote...

NOT Arlathan forrest. The silent plains, where you rightly point out, the final battle with Dumat was fought. it is curious that the Silent Plains are at the center of the continent,  where according to the history of Arlathan, was the city situated. I would like to draw you attention there again. The shape of the silen "Plains" is rather like a depression, surrounded by mountains (the white patches, since there are no clouds on the map).

About Retconning: Gaider and CO. posses all the rights to Retcon any theory into being, including the OGB alive/dead.

I would like to discuss this: The central plot lines of DA universe are about:

1. Arlathan
2. Blood Magic
3. Elven History and pantheon (fen'harel)
4 A touch of Flemeth/Morrigan.

Sure, I acknowledge the power that the writers have. That doesn't mean I have to like it, though, having a canon induced on a series about choice.

If it makes you feel any better, I still like the writers themselves. David still owes me a conclusive answer as to the DR being canonized or not after I've either written or traveled to the Vatican (inside joke).

Where exactly do you get the Arlethan being in the middle of the Silent Plains from? I cannot find any source to this.

Also:

"Ancient elves worshipped a pantheon of five gods and four goddesses. Their mythology also mentions another set of gods called the "Forgotten Ones", the enemies of the elven pantheon. Only Fen'Harel, the trickster god of the elven pantheon, was able to walk freely between both groups. Elven legend attributes the failure of their gods to intervene in the fall of Elvhenan to Fen'Harel, who, it is claimed, deceived both the elven pantheon and the Forgotten Ones, trapping the former away in heaven and the latter in the abyss, where they could no longer influence events in the mortal world."

To take away that the thought some seem to have that the Gods of the Pantheon are the Forgotten Ones: they are seperate Pantheons. Heaven is very obviously the Golden City in here, whille the abyss is under Thedas. Which means the "Maker" might be 8 seperate entities (or the 8 trapped elven gods fused or something).

Fen'Harel would probably be Flemeth, also note how Fen's wolf form looks like Morrigan's.
http://images2.wikia...el_Statue_2.jpg

I dunno Morrigan's dog form looks more like a commen street dog then a Wolf, Or maybe the spirit/demon that posessed Flemeth was Fen'Heral.
I mean Flemeth is cunning as Hell so yeah the trickster god would fit her.

[iTomes]

SirShreK wrote...

Perhaps the OGB was to be a bargaining chip against Flemeth returning to reclaim Morrigan's body.... "Well... You can't have me.. BUT you can have this baby/Girl (if female) you know! God Powers for free! Now just be gone. 'tis time for you to leave."

that would propably tell me why morrigan freaks out like nothing else if you decline and is kinda thankfully if you accept. but i cant imagine flemeth to be alive. only the demon may remain, but hey who doesn't want to be a giant dragon???

[Kaiser Shepard]

No, wait. If Flemeth is Fen'Harel, why would she want to see the Old God/Forgotten One/Archdemon reborn?

[iTomes]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

No, wait. If Flemeth is Fen'Harel, why would she want to see the Old God/Forgotten One/Archdemon reborn?

i cant imagine flemeth being fen'harel. old fenny would become a wolf or something. not a giant nasty kick-ass-dragon

[Risax]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

No, wait. If Flemeth is Fen'Harel, why would she want to see the Old God/Forgotten One/Archdemon reborn?

Power? I dunno I didn't think it through.

[Kleon]

What if Flemeth actually performed the ritual during one of the earlier Blights and through it possesed the essence of an Archdemon, like Morrigan.

[iTomes]

even if flemeth is fen'harel, why dont have the power of double divinety?

[iTomes]

Kunkryst wrote...

What if Flemeth actually performed the ritual during one of the earlier Blights and through it possesed the essence of an Archdemon, like Morrigan.

i doubt that. no warden would die killing the archdemon and that would've been mentioned.

[Risax]

iTomes wrote...

Kunkryst wrote...

What if Flemeth actually performed the ritual during one of the earlier Blights and through it possesed the essence of an Archdemon, like Morrigan.

i doubt that. no warden would die killing the archdemon and that would've been mentioned.

Didn't she make some sort of pact with Maric?
This was probably to let the Grey Wardens return so one of her daughters could do it in the feature, she probably knew before everyone else a 5th Blight was coming.

[iTomes]

Risax wrote...

iTomes wrote...

Kunkryst wrote...

What if Flemeth actually performed the ritual during one of the earlier Blights and through it possesed the essence of an Archdemon, like Morrigan.

i doubt that. no warden would die killing the archdemon and that would've been mentioned.

Didn't she make some sort of pact with Maric?
This was probably to let the Grey Wardens return so one of her daughters could do it in the feature, she probably knew before everyone else a 5th Blight was coming.

could be but i always thought that pact would be of a more..... personal nature..... you see kings blood for next flemeth or something... knowing of a 5th blight would postulate that she has the ability to look into the future. and why would she allow morrigan to plot against her then.

[Risax]

iTomes wrote...

Risax wrote...

iTomes wrote...

Kunkryst wrote...

What if Flemeth actually performed the ritual during one of the earlier Blights and through it possesed the essence of an Archdemon, like Morrigan.

i doubt that. no warden would die killing the archdemon and that would've been mentioned.

Didn't she make some sort of pact with Maric?
This was probably to let the Grey Wardens return so one of her daughters could do it in the feature, she probably knew before everyone else a 5th Blight was coming.

could be but i always thought that pact would be of a more..... personal nature..... you see kings blood for next flemeth or something... knowing of a 5th blight would postulate that she has the ability to look into the future. and why would she allow morrigan to plot against her then.

Maybe she can't excactly pinpoint the events I mean after Maric got king he pretty much gave the Wardens there rights back, and after 30 years the Blight strikes, note that she also expects you when you come to kill her.
But yes Morrigan being Marrics kid is also a big possebillity, also Alister and Morrigan act kinda like big sis liltle brother in the party banter.

[iTomes]

why he gave the wardens theyre rights i dont know. but then endangering this whole 30years plan making it important that a warden agrees on the terms... dont think so.

[Kaiser Shepard]

iTomes wrote...

Kunkryst wrote...



What if Flemeth actually performed the ritual during one of the earlier Blights and through it possesed the essence of an Archdemon, like Morrigan.

i doubt that. no warden would die killing the archdemon and that would've been mentioned.

The Warden could've died from his injuries not too long after the battle, perhaps even while killing the Archdemon. Suicide afterwards because of the guilt that comes from letting the Archdemon survive might also be an option.

[iTomes]

well i think the big flaw is that you can refuse the ritual. i mean srsly if morrigan really wanted to do this she would simply seduce alistair (cant be to hard to seduce some boy like him) or giving loghain love potion or a spell that hes dreaming or whatever, why ASKING our warden?