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[iTomes]

well i think the big flaw is that you can refuse the ritual. i mean srsly if morrigan really wanted to do this she would simply seduce alistair (cant be to hard to seduce some boy like him) or giving loghain love potion or a spell that hes dreaming or whatever, why ASKING our warden?

[Risax]

SirShreK wrote...

iTomes wrote...

Risax wrote...

iTomes wrote...

Kunkryst wrote...

What if Flemeth actually performed the ritual during one of the earlier Blights and through it possesed the essence of an Archdemon, like Morrigan.

i doubt that. no warden would die killing the archdemon and that would've been mentioned.

Didn't she make some sort of pact with Maric?
This was probably to let the Grey Wardens return so one of her daughters could do it in the feature, she probably knew before everyone else a 5th Blight was coming.

could be but i always thought that pact would be of a more..... personal nature..... you see kings blood for next flemeth or something... knowing of a 5th blight would postulate that she has the ability to look into the future. and why would she allow morrigan to plot against her then.

Because she wants to... She TOLD Morrigan about the Black Grimiore in the mages tower. She knew, that if Morrigan found it, she would come a'looking for the real one as 'tis her nature to survive.

Flemeth seems to have manipulated a lot of things to get the God baby.

For starters Why did she choose only two Wardens? It seems to me that she could have helped with the entire battle by turning into the dragon. She wanted only TWO (or few) GWs so that things were in a controlled environment. She chose those two GWs that did NOT know that one had to die to kill the Archie, thus being most susceptible to the Dark Ritual ( a kind of Shock therapy - response).

Smarty-buns that she was, she even told Morrigan about what she wanted (OGB) but did not tell her about the possession thing. She in fact seems to have arranged the circumstance so that a Warden would be the father. Again I would like to emphasize that she did this only ONCE. Why not earlier during previous Blights? Was she not around? Did she not know? Did she only want to save the Beauty dragon (Archie Urthmiel = Dragon of beauty)  How freaking old is the OSEN/Conobar story anyway? I would like to know...

Maybe Urthemiel was the easiest among the Old Gods to control or the weakest, meaning that otherwise the child would die.
And who said she hasn't tried before? Maybe now she just perfected it.

[Risax]

iTomes wrote...

well i think the big flaw is that you can refuse the ritual. i mean srsly if morrigan really wanted to do this she would simply seduce alistair (cant be to hard to seduce some boy like him) or giving loghain love potion or a spell that hes dreaming or whatever, why ASKING our warden?

Maybe the Dark Ritual was just the easiest way to get the Old God's Soul, I wouldn't be suprised if there where other methods to get what she wanted.

[iTomes]

well flemeth COULD just stand in the background with the gods baby waiting untill one of the wardens makes a killing blow. then just zap him into the back so he dies. end of story^^

[iTomes]

Risax wrote...

iTomes wrote...

well i think the big flaw is that you can refuse the ritual. i mean srsly if morrigan really wanted to do this she would simply seduce alistair (cant be to hard to seduce some boy like him) or giving loghain love potion or a spell that hes dreaming or whatever, why ASKING our warden?

Maybe the Dark Ritual was just the easiest way to get the Old God's Soul, I wouldn't be suprised if there where other methods to get what she wanted.

but why so complicated then??? if theres a faster way by being a **** why doesn't she take it??

[Kaiser Shepard]

I never got why Morrigan wouldn't rape the Warden instead if he didn't go along with her plan, aside from "the writers might not want to go that far". Also, why couldn't Chessmaster Flemeth be the Trickster God?

SirShreK wrote...

I smell some serious Retcon foreshadowed in this page. Yes kaiser Shepard is perhaps Right. They are making the OGB cannon.

What post made you say that? And yes, I think it's obvious given the potential future plot it could provide.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 16 juillet 2010 - 02:27 .

[iTomes]

well you propably could make a logical explanation for the OGB, but if that works out.... ahhh well see but i guess the child will exist. its just too important.

[iTomes]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

I never got why Morrigan wouldn't rape the Warden instead if he didn't go along with her plan, aside from "the writers might not want to go that far". Also, why couldn't Chessmaster Flemeth be the Trickster God?

rape the warden is a lil hard. but the warden always has a male companion so why not seducing him. what i could imagine is that morrigan gets the child anyway, but because shes mad at you she wants one warden to sacrifice himself. then she goes to the wardens dead body and pulls the sould of the old god out of it (gotta go somewhere).

[jaikss]

Well the problem with that would be that the soul gets destroyed as soon as it goes into the warden

[Kaiser Shepard]

Indeed, too much of a plothook to simply let go to waste.

There could've been a logical explanation to the Old God/Archdemon surving the Warden's Ultimate Sacrifice if the Warden was somehow resurrected as well (I swear the Justice plot might've been of better use there. As things stand now, though, both the Warden's and the creature's souls are destroyed. If we are to see an Old God Baby, BioWare needs to force a canon upon us at some point.

SirShreK wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

I never got why Morrigan wouldn't rape the Warden instead if he didn't go along with her plan, aside from "the writers might not want to go that far". Also, why couldn't Chessmaster Flemeth be the Trickster God?

SirShreK wrote...

I smell some serious Retcon foreshadowed in this page. Yes kaiser Shepard is perhaps Right. They are making the OGB cannon.

What post made you say that? And yes, I think it's obvious given the potential future plot it could provide.

Don't remember exactly. But it was you, right?

This is getting confusing, I shouldn't be up theorizing while almost awake for an entire day,

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 16 juillet 2010 - 02:36 .

[iTomes]

jaikss wrote...

Well the problem with that would be that the soul gets destroyed as soon as it goes into the warden

the only thing you KNOW is that theres no archdemon after the sacrifice.... why...thats something different.

[Kaiser Shepard]

iTomes wrote...

jaikss wrote...

Well the problem with that would be that the soul gets destroyed as soon as it goes into the warden

the only thing you KNOW is that theres no archdemon after the sacrifice.... why...thats something different.

No, both die. The Warden is essentially a Honeypot, Riordan said as much. It just happens that Morrigan is able to create tastier honey, though.

No, that was not a metaphor.

SirShreK wrote...

Honestly, I prefer some cannon. Any cannon. If You are a hero, and you change the world significantly AND there is sequel or worse! a series of sequels, you got to have cannon.

Mass Effect didn't have any.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 16 juillet 2010 - 02:40 .

[iTomes]

sure thing that both die. question is what happens after the death. we can only assume both souls to be destroyed vanished whatever. the soul of the archdemon could (even if it is horribly damaged) still be in the wardens body. unable to come back to lie tough, but you may can absorbe it.

[Risax]

SirShreK wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

I never got why Morrigan wouldn't rape the Warden instead if he didn't go along with her plan, aside from "the writers might not want to go that far". Also, why couldn't Chessmaster Flemeth be the Trickster God?

SirShreK wrote...

I smell some serious Retcon foreshadowed in this page. Yes kaiser Shepard is perhaps Right. They are making the OGB cannon.

What post made you say that? And yes, I think it's obvious given the potential future plot it could provide.

Don't remember exactly. But it was you, right?

Are you sure it wasn't a post by iTomes or myself?
I mean Kaiser Shepard doesn't seem to think he mentioned it.

[iTomes]

carefull..... i smell a DA is better then ME discussion.....

[iTomes]

SirShreK wrote...

Risax wrote...

SirShreK wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

I never got why Morrigan wouldn't rape the Warden instead if he didn't go along with her plan, aside from "the writers might not want to go that far". Also, why couldn't Chessmaster Flemeth be the Trickster God?

SirShreK wrote...

I smell some serious Retcon foreshadowed in this page. Yes kaiser Shepard is perhaps Right. They are making the OGB cannon.

What post made you say that? And yes, I think it's obvious given the potential future plot it could provide.

Don't remember exactly. But it was you, right?

Are you sure it wasn't a post by iTomes or myself?
I mean Kaiser Shepard doesn't seem to think he mentioned it.

Whoever owns upto it did it... I didn't though.

it doesn't matter who said it, important is that someone did.

[iTomes]

SirShreK wrote...

It has been explicitly mentioned that a franchise around DA will be built including a tabletop and PnP RPG. Now that kinda thing requires Equilibrium in history and future.

really?? cool!^^ well lookin forward to DA:D&D then

[Risax]

iTomes wrote...

carefull..... i smell a DA is better then ME discussion.....

Meh... I like both for diffrent reasons, discussion done.