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[LillithMabon]

Can anyone please tell me why you can not create a Dalish Elf Mage? They have very little contact with humans and do not report to the chantry, the leader of the clan is a mage, and in Awakenings, one of the main companions is a Dalish elf mage.

Story inconsistencies bother me a lot. There are a few other story line problems but cant recall them right off hand and ask about them later. But I really would like to create a Dalish Elf mage warden character.

Now I am not a developer or anything but I would think they could follow the same story as the rogue or warrior and just change the character. I would like to see this as an update to the original game without charge as a mistake made at game creation.

But if push comes to shove, I would probably purchase this as some DLC/

Thanks for the time to anyone who can answer.

[Addai]

Gaider has said that the approach to magic among the Dalish is so different that they could not adequately address it using the same origin story as a regular Dalish character.

There is a mod that opens the mage class for a Dalish PC.  I've been using it on my latest character and it works pretty well.  I did start writing backstory (see signature) for her, precisely because it seemed like it needed some more explanation and foundation than a regular Dalish PC.  Unfortunately the lore basis for the Dalish is so sketchy that it's hard to know what is "canon" and you have to fill in some blanks.

[LillithMabon]

Thanks for the reply. I wonder if now that they have a little more basis after Awakenings they could change this? One can only hope.

As for mods, I am computer challenged. There is some really interesting game stuff out there, but downloading these things really scare me. OK laugh if you must. If only I had a computer guru at home to fix any messed I could make. One can only wish.

Modifié par LillithMabon, 16 juillet 2010 - 03:03 .

[Jacks Smirking Revenge]

Download the DAO ModManager and just drag the dazip files into it and it does all the work. If it isn't a dazip it usually a morph file or scene file which you just paste in your package->override folder.

[LillithMabon]

LOL easy for you to say.

[Addai]

LillithMabon wrote...

Thanks for the reply. I wonder if now that they have a little more basis after Awakenings they could change this? One can only hope.

As for mods, I am computer challenged. There is some really interesting game stuff out there, but downloading these things really scare me. OK laugh if you must. If only I had a computer guru at home to fix any messed I could make. One can only wish.

I'm relatively new to using mods myself, though I don't remember how I ever played vanilla.  It's not as complicated as it sounds- really and truly.  I usually look at the comments and endorsements to make sure a mod has been well tested and doesn't have major problems.

Here's the Dalish mage origin mod.  Most mods have some basic instruction on how to install.  They are typically either a dazip file or an override file.  This one is dazip.

1- For dazip, download the file and extract it using something like WinRAR.  WinRAR you can get on a free trial, after that you either have to pay for it or just get rid of the nag screen all the time.  Then you drag the mod file into daupdater.exe (this comes with the game- find it using a file search) or a tool like DA Modder which does basically the same thing.  DA Modder is pretty easy to use.  It will both install and uninstall mods for you, so if you decide you don't like it, go back in and uninstall.

2- Override files you just drag and drop into the packages/core/override folder in your Dragon Age folder.  If you want to uninstall the mod, you go into the override folder and just find the file and delete it.

Hopefully this helps, from one noob to another. 

[LillithMabon]

Thank you, I will see what I can do. (Shivers....)

[Addai]

LillithMabon wrote...

Thank you, I will see what I can do. (Shivers....)

About the Dalish mage origin mod, the only real problem with it is that the Broken Circle quest is set up as "Circle mage returns" and there is really no way to circumvent that.  So people in the Tower are going to "recognize" your PC.  I had played the game through many times, so it didn't bother me to roleplay around this.  Heh, my PC already thought the whole place was batsh*t crazy, so the fact that people kept thinking they recognized her added to the sense of paranoia and madness.

This sort of challenge is just what I needed after so much play time, though.  BTW I had a thread a while back on this subject.  I'll go try to get a link.  (Edit:  Here you go.)

Modifié par Addai67, 16 juillet 2010 - 04:15 .

[LillithMabon]

Read a bit of your other thread, my idea for dalish mages would be more strongly controlling nature of sorts and of course the healing aspect. Maybe even using the good forces of the fade? Dunno, what ya think?

[LillithMabon]

Lots of good comments on the other thread about the possiblilities for a dalish elf mage origin. Also you commented on liking Leliana's song. Isnt that the same funeral song for Tamlen? It moves me also. I do wish there was more content for the dalish elves

[Addai]

LillithMabon wrote...

Read a bit of your other thread, my idea for dalish mages would be more strongly controlling nature of sorts and of course the healing aspect. Maybe even using the good forces of the fade? Dunno, what ya think?

We have some examples in-game of Dalish mages- Velanna, Zathrian, and Merrill.  That can at least give you some ideas.  If you get into the mod thing, there is also a mod called Awakening in the OC which I think should allow you to have the Keeper skills.

I went with shapeshifting as my character's primary.  We know from a dialogue with Morrigan (I made a video of it here) that the Dalish use shapeshifting magic.  Both Velanna and Merrill have flame-type spells, so I also made my mage a fireball chucker.  But I think any primal spell line would be consistent.

In my backstory I did assume that the Dalish can manipulate Fade and local spirits because that is what we see Zathrian doing.  He also obviously had blood magic.  For my PC, I had her encountering and learning blood magic from Flemeth as a child, but mainly because I thought it made for an interesting story.

Sylaise is said to be the source of magical healing, so obviously that's important to elven magic, too.

Really I think any mage school you'd find in the Circle ought to be found in Dalish magic, it's just the attitude that is different.

Modifié par Addai67, 16 juillet 2010 - 07:04 .

[Addai]

LillithMabon wrote...

Lots of good comments on the other thread about the possiblilities for a dalish elf mage origin. Also you commented on liking Leliana's song. Isnt that the same funeral song for Tamlen? It moves me also. I do wish there was more content for the dalish elves

Yes, Leliana sings In Uthenera which is the elven song of passing.  They don't show Tamlen's funeral in the Dalish origin, do you mean the song that's playing when you are leaving the clan?  I don't remember if it's the same tune or not.

In my story about the Tamlen shriek encounter, I had my character and Leliana singing In Uthenera.  It seemed appropriate.  I cried writing that. 

If you're interested in the Dalish, check out my other videos.  On this last playthrough I've been trying to record the Dalish-specific interactions in the game other than the obvious ones (the origin story etc.).  There aren't enough!  But more than you might think offhand.

[LillithMabon]

I havent read the Dragon Age books, have you? I was wondering if more material is there.

[Addai]

LillithMabon wrote...

I havent read the Dragon Age books, have you? I was wondering if more material is there.

Sorry I missed your question earlier.  The Stolen Throne has a little bit about the Dalish.  Very little, I'm afraid, but an interesting glimpse nonetheless.

The Calling has nothing about the Dalish really, though is a good story and features an elven mage from a city elf type of background.  I liked both books.

I would like to hear the devs expand sometime on the elves' connection to the Fade.  We know elves go to the Fade, but it must be different considering their past where they did not die but went to Uthenera.  Uthenera= the Fade??

[flagondotcom]

Besides the "Dalish Mage Origin" mod that's more recent and more detailed, there's also the "Adopted" mod that I used. It doesn't alter anything about the starting set-up, and the only things unusual I ran into in the Origin (playing a female Dalish mage) were:

- Be sure you strip Merrill naked for her robe and staff at the very end

- Up until that point, play as a half-mage/half-warrior and you'll still do fine

In the Korcari Wilds and even afterwards, I used the Balanced Greatsword as my alt weapon (no min strength requirements) until I hit level 7 and took AW. From a role playing perspective, I played it that she'd been raised as a daughter of a female warrior/rogue and a male Keeper (which is of course the actual backstory) and her mage abilities were late-blooming.



I'd love to figure out how to mod the Circle and other areas to be able to account for elf+mage does not equal City Elf. Overall, though, it was a fun playthrough.

[Addai]

flagondotcom wrote...

- Be sure you strip Merrill naked for her robe and staff at the very end

I did this too.  Poor Merrill. 

Modifié par Addai67, 19 juillet 2010 - 02:57 .

[SomniariKess1124]

lol. i stole from merrill, but traded her out for my beginning robes. the beginning with the arrow thing though feels wierd... i feel like i should be like, pulling out my staff or doing lightshow with my fingers or something. i even wish that i could be keeper's first, and Marethari replaced my vacant position with merrill.