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[Sarethus]

Vaalyah wrote...

Well, if you want, I can add a loooooooooong explanation about why I would have married Bishop immediately after the first quarrel at the Sunken Flagon, even in real life :-D

Uh..thanks but no thanks;).  Think some of the other posters already explained enough for me.

Beyond that I also liked Captain Brelaina as well. She was decent and I felt sympathetic to her situation for the most part.  

[Vaalyah]

Ehm,... Gemaphrodite, not to sound offensive but... that man is scary! O_O

Modifié par Vaalyah, 17 août 2010 - 09:25 .

[Hellfire_RWS]

Colenda wrote...

Gemaphrodite wrote...

@Colenda:

lol, thanks

Though he looks slightly manic in that picture.

Especially compared to the man in the background. Looks like he wants what some of what Tom Hardy's apparently taken. 

Isn't that Saddam Hussein in the background? 

[angry_peon]

Stop a moment!
What are we speaking about? Are we speaking about "which is the most eligible NPC at the title of "man of the year"? Are we speaking about "which is the male NPC with the highest honour?"
That's Casavir, of course, he is a LG paladin!

No,  I wasn't. But you attacked my nomination of Sand, who I find to be an interesting and, despite his flaws, a likable character.
So if we agree that a person can be sympathetic despite flaws, then why attack my nomination of Sand in the first place?
(note that I did not even mention a dislike for Bishop in that post, you brought him to this debate)
You defend Bishop and would like to have a possible romance with him, I would prefer Sand for my female characters so what?
 And, for me, this is not about attraction at all. I simply would like to see how Sand would fare in a romantic relationship. You know, more from an observing point of view.
 Could he keep up with his smart-ass attitude or would he become more sensible? I just think he could offer a few intriguing lines with a lot humorous potential in that scenario.
So my proposal has a totally different motivation.
Ah well lets agree on this: Best solution would be if every single NPC was romancable. More options can never hurt, can they? 

Modifié par Varhjhin, 18 août 2010 - 01:00 .

[Dr. Explosion]

I'll nth Neeshka and add a Zejave (sp?) for the lulz:P


edit: off-topic - has the gibberlings 3 website moved / been shut down? Everytime I try to go there, I get a page from Dot5Hosting informing me that the "site has been suspended"

Modifié par Conall Cameron, 18 août 2010 - 03:28 .

[Thiefy]

I never saw Bishop as a coward - actually he welcomed death, and oblivion. Basically, I think at the end, he hates malePC no matter what because of his connection with Duncan, but I've never played as male so I don't know if the dialouge changes. As a female, he has the option to become jealous of Casavir and betray you because of his one sided feelings, but if not, regardless he will always say that he just doesn't want to be "tied down", or as most females would interpret this - he is afriad of his feelings. He'd rather (reluctantly) kill you, himself, and the world before he came to admit to himself that he actually cared for you as something more than just a toss in the bedroll, because he has this preconcieved notion in his head - that's not like him at all. It's weak, pathetic and something the paladin would do - sign up for obligations. Everything in his past and experience has led him to believe this and not otherwise, so of course it only makes sense to him to act a certain way. Think about it, he is the only character that you don;t really help and never really get to know. The last time someone tried to help him he was blackmailed, so yeah, Bishop has a lot of issues, none of which get to be addressed in game. It was more or less a natural response, imo. Anything else would seem a bit out of character unless there was more of a way to explore Bishop character.

[Tooneyman]

I was always a afriad to see what was unders Zejave's little mask. I bet it was just horrible. Giant teeth to eat you.

[angry_peon]

Thief-of-Hearts wrote...

I never saw Bishop as a coward

Well what brought up this thought was this quote:
"I doubt you'll survive, but I will -- and I'm never on the losing side."
When he delivered that line, my view on him changed from heartless bastard, with potentially comprehensible motivation, to heartless and cowardly bastard.
Ok, I agree there is more to it, but thats just the way I will always think first of him.

[Vaalyah]

@ Conall: it's since yesterday that Gibberlings Three is down... and I am too wondering what has happened [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/unsure.png[/smilie]

Varhjhin wrote...


No,
 I wasn't. But you attacked my nomination of Sand, who I find to be an
interesting and, despite his flaws, a likable character.


So if we agree that a person can be sympathetic despite flaws, then why attack my nomination of Sand in the first place?


(note that I did not even mention a dislike for Bishop in that post, you brought him to this debate)


You defend Bishop and would like to have a possible romance with him, I would prefer Sand for my female characters so what?


 And,
for me, this is not about attraction at all. I simply would like to see
how Sand would fare in a romantic relationship. You know, more from an
observing point of view.


 Could he keep up with his smart-ass
attitude or would he become more sensible? I just think he could offer a
few intriguing lines with a lot humorous potential in that scenario.


So my proposal has a totally different motivation.


Ah well lets agree on this: Best solution would be if every single NPC was romancable. More options can never hurt, can they? [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie]

1) first of all, I didn't want to sound offensive or "attacking". English is not my mother language, so I am not able to fell the "tone" of what I write. I try to use neutral words, but believe me, it was not my intention to sound offensive at all.


2)
I was saying that both Bishop and Sand are quite unbearable when they
start speaking. The former because is quite cruel, while the latter
because is totally self centered. But considering the 100% of their
personality, I, as a female, can only consider Bishop as an interesting
male (interesting from "that" point of view). I am trying to tell you
that you, being a male, are just comparing their behaviour and
personality, while you can't obviously understand they way a female
reacts to them as a whole.


3) from my point of view, it is impossible
to consider a person interesting or not for romance just judging
his/her actions. If this would be possible, we'll be all married to mr/ms
perfect! People are a big and complex puzzle of emotions, actions, ideas
and feelings, so each one of us considers another person as the sum of
these factors. If I have to consider NPCs just on the base of their actions... how many of them don't betray you at the end? [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie] very few. But if I have to analyse them as a whole, Sand, in my opinion, is not attractive at all!


4) where is that I can vote for "each NPCs romanceable" option? [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie]

[Thiefy]

Varhjhin wrote...

Thief-of-Hearts wrote...

I never saw Bishop as a coward

Well what brought up this thought was this quote:
"I doubt you'll survive, but I will -- and I'm never on the losing side."
When he delivered that line, my view on him changed from heartless bastard, with potentially comprehensible motivation, to heartless and cowardly bastard.
Ok, I agree there is more to it, but thats just the way I will always think first of him.

Isn't that all dependant on the dialouge choice you make though? Because by the same token, when he leaves Garrius' side he says something along the lines of "You're going to lose, and lose badly."

[angry_peon]

Well surely it is dependant on you dialogue choices. But that is how he always ends up in my play-throughs, and so for me he is a win-team-joiner. Speaking of that... if you think about it, he is also a win-team-joiner when you convince him to leave the KoS. Or at least his words suggest he sees the KoS on the losing side at that moment. 
Whatever, like I earlier said I would have nothing against a possible romance with Bishop or any other party member at that. I could just not understand why Sand should be intolerable, that's all.

Modifié par Varhjhin, 18 août 2010 - 04:24 .

[Vaalyah]

I like what you are saying... but let me ask something that I am confused about... in your opinion, what is that makes Bishop join the party after rescuing Shandra?

I mean, "our" uncle already said to him that the debt was paid... and if you ask him for explanation, he says "I have to fully pay my debt" so... there's something wrong...

[Vaalyah]

Comment on your points [remember that I haven't finished the game yet, I am at the keep, first time, and waiting for a piece of hardware, since my computer is broken... the day before holiday, and I have to wait another week for the shop to open]:

a) :-D :-D :-D nice answer!

I had never thought of him that way... I mean, he's not there drinking for whatever reason... is there for he has to pay a debt...

c) for this... well, Duncan has said Bishop has already paid, when you come back after rescuing Shandra...

d) interesting...

e) sure, for annoying Casavir :-D



well, I play a nubile young woman, so I suppose the answer that suits best in this case is the first... but I have another question, since you are so psychologically intuitive (I am not!): you left for finding Shandra and he didn't want to come. You save Shandra and he asks her to warm up his bedroll... and then... he's flirting with you? o_O I supposed he should be going and flirt with Shandra, not the PC!

[Vaalyah]

Well, I'd never opened the toolset... mine still crashes at the loading screen '

[Vaalyah]

Well, till now I have tried to patch it, load old DirectX, load new .NET, do a voodoo ceremony and try to pray the computer... Maybe dancing under the moon at midnight... (think)

:-P

[Thiefy]

Varhjhin wrote...

Well surely it is dependant on you dialogue choices. But that is how he always ends up in my play-throughs, and so for me he is a win-team-joiner. Speaking of that... if you think about it, he is also a win-team-joiner when you convince him to leave the KoS. Or at least his words suggest he sees the KoS on the losing side at that moment. 
Whatever, like I earlier said I would have nothing against a possible romance with Bishop or any other party member at that. I could just not understand why Sand should be intolerable, that's all.

actually i also said sand would make a better canidate for a romance versus what some other people posted (Grobnar, khelgar), though, he isn't exactly my flavor.

i agree, at least when playing a female, that he spouts that "joining the winning team line" in order to save face. clearly he is trying to convince himsel but fails, and if you give him an easy out by taunting him, he'll take that.

I like what you are saying... but let me ask something that I am confused about... in your opinion, what is that makes Bishop join the party after rescuing Shandra?

I mean, "our" uncle already said to him that the debt was paid... and if you ask him for explanation, he says "I have to fully pay my debt" so... there's something wrong...

i was under the impression that he was working for black garrius by then since right after the trial, when he is scolding torio, black garrius specifically tells her not to say anything "to their ally".

Colenda gives a lot of good reason but i really dont think they would be enough to force someone like Bishop to take on debts or obligations.

A)Bishop isn't one for relationships - he says it pretty clearly early on in the game, if he wanted a wench he'd go to the **** house.
B)Not necessarily the case as you can be a chaotic evil character just like Bishop - he even taunts you for getting accreditted regardless of alignment when you get knighted as captain of crossroad keep.
C)Revenge is the best explanation, but it's moreso against Duncan than you, at least if you are female. And it's not that travelling with the PC is revenge against Duncan, but what oppertunity he would have to harm you as a message to him.
D)This would make sense if he got along with you character, but supposing you are a lawful good character and always go out of your way to help people, like Casavir - he would then be signing up for more of a headache.
E)I could see this happening too but I couldn't see him stay very long in the party if this was his only reason.

Personally, I think revenge is what drove him to do it at first, but (and this is from me playing from a female's POV) he gradually (or grudginly) finds himself respecting the PC. He doesn't hate her as much he thought he would (his words, in game) OR as much as everyone else. He ends up finding the less he dislikes her the more he likes her (and not just for her body) and that is a dangerous train of thought for him.

Modifié par Thief-of-Hearts, 19 août 2010 - 12:03 .

[I_Raps]

Vaalyah wrote...

Well, till now I have tried to patch it, load old DirectX, load new .NET, do a voodoo ceremony and try to pray the computer... Maybe dancing under the moon at midnight... (think)
:-P

I've made shortcuts to run both NWN2 and the Toolset in Supervisor Mode.  Maybe?

But... if you're going to do that dance under the midnight moon, be sure to post a video to Youtube for us.

Modifié par I_Raps, 19 août 2010 - 01:19 .

[Tooneyman]

I_Raps wrote...

Vaalyah wrote...

Well, till now I have tried to patch it, load old DirectX, load new .NET, do a voodoo ceremony and try to pray the computer... Maybe dancing under the moon at midnight... (think)
:-P

I've made shortcuts to run both NWN2 and the Toolset in Supervisor Mode.  Maybe?

But... if you're going to do that dance under the midnight moon, be sure to post a video to Youtube for us.

I second this^ just because Its not very easy to find many NWN2 videos with characters dancing..