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[Vaalyah]

Sorry guys, but I don't think I am going to upload any video of myself screaming and quarrelling to the toolset :-P I have a dignity :-D



@ Thief: when I heard that dialogue about Garrius speaking on their ally, I immediately thought to Bishop too...

However, I just think that Bishop isn't for relationship as far as he wants it. Remember that he spent part of his time with Malin so, a sort of relationship there must have been... I think he likes to say that because is a way to defend himself. And each time a relationship grows enough, he feels the necessity to run away as soon as he can.

[Thiefy]

Colenda wrote...

A)Bishop isn't one for relationships - he says it pretty clearly early on in the game, if he wanted a wench he'd go to the **** house.

Bishop wants people to think he isn't one for relationships. However, if you talk to Malin at Port Llast, you'll see that may not be the exact truth.

B)Not necessarily the case as you can be a chaotic evil character just like Bishop - he even taunts you for getting accreditted regardless of alignment when you get knighted as captain of crossroad keep.

True, but the PC is still a more successful and powerful CE than he is! They're someone special, touched by destiny. In contrast, Bishop is a swamp rat. A bog standard orphan without the marvellous fate.

I always got the feeling that things between malin and bishop were physical. both of them seem pretty sour over whatever relationship they had.

and i think with part you got mixed up - he'd *want* to tag along if the character was CE, but certainly not if they were LG like Casavir  in either case though he tags along...

[Vaalyah]

Ehm sorry but... I've read there is a bug in the game so I was never been able to discover what has happened between Bishop and Malin. My toolset doesn't load due to a bug too, so I can't even heard the voice file of the conversation so... can anyone please tell me what has happened between them?

By the way, I get shocked when Malin told him that the PC is finally a woman that can give to him commands and he answered back that Malin was not enough for doing that... I mean, I've always thought he is too proud to say that he actually wants to follow what the PC says...

[HoonDing]

Imho Kana would've been a suitable romance... considering how she practically worships the main character, regardless of alignment, from the very beginning.

[Vaalyah]

@Colenda: I went to speak with Malin, and she said she would not have explained anything more if Bishop was there. So, back to the Flagon, left Bishop, back to Malin. Nothing.

Back again to the Flagon, picked up Bishop, asked to him. "Don't ask if you don't want to hear lies". Perfect '



If you was able to speak again with Malin, then would Bishop say something more?



(By the way, as soon as I discovered who Malin was, I though "Ok, so, even if I am a CG, I suppose I just want to kill Malin...painfully :-D " oh, jealousy!)

[Vaalyah]

Could you tell me also what does Bishop says about that once you spoke with Malin? :-D I know, I am exploiting you!

[Vaalyah]

Oh, sweet sweet guy, isn't he adorable? :-D

So one of the reason he left you in the end could be that he looses respect on the PC... but I am not of this idea...

Ehm, Colenda, what about if we open a new thread where we can analyse Bishop's behaviour? I suppose we are going a little off topic! :-D

Are you coming with me on a new thread?

[Vaalyah]

well, however, I hope everyone's interested in this topic would follow the discussion in this new thread: http://social.biowar...1/index/4507020

[kamalpoe]

virumor wrote...

Imho Kana would've been a suitable romance... considering how she practically worships the main character, regardless of alignment, from the very beginning.

The worshipfullness would make me feel like I was taking advantage of her.  I'd feel icky.

[Thiefy]

Colenda wrote...

Vaalyah - from the conversation, we find out that Bishop and Malin were at one time scouting around the Luskan border, probably together. Hard to make out many details, since most of the conversation is made up of them jabbing at each other. If you send Bishop a way, Malin says a little more - she warns you off him and says you should know two things - he doesn't like being in debt and he hates the Luskans ('the things he did to them on the border...')

I always got the feeling that things between malin and bishop were physical. both of them seem pretty sour over whatever relationship they had.

Yep, I'm sure it was. And 'sour' is an understatement!  However, Bishop also knew Malin well enough as a person to be able to say just what would hurt her. 'That's a problem if you're not a proper elf or a proper human...' 

he's kind of like that towards everyone thoughm don't you think? he knows exactly what to say to rile up every other party member while only knowing them for a little while, even towards the knight captain...

[puiwaihin]

Thief-of-Hearts wrote...

puiwaihin wrote...

Grobnar and Khelgar should be romance options. Weird that humans are the only options for female characters. And I found it strange that Elanee was so taken with my shield dwarf.

I'd like the romance options to be somewhat sensitive to race choice. Even if some of the romance possibilities end up being shallow it would greatly increase replayability.

Ew you can't be serious

Grobnar!?

Ew!

Sand would make a better choice that those two, and Khelgar is like...48 or something. I mean it would be a cute option for the guys, but the male NPCs that you have hanging around...well I think they stuck to Bishop and Casavir for a reason - and Casavir's eyebrows already bother me a bit.

I think Nevalle had a bit of a following over at FF.net, but other than that, they really just aren't any good looking or interesting NPCs for the females to swoon over.

Seems this discussion is about what you* as the person playing the game would want in a man, not what you* as a player might want to have available for your character.  But from my perspective, none of the romances are ever about me.  It's all about my character.

My dwarven weaponmaster had no interest in Elanee-- the scrawny tree hugger as weak as a twig.  Or the crazy tiefling girl, who for whatever odd reason seems jealous about him.  There were absolutely no romance options available for him that wouldn't make him into some sort of race traitor or odd pervert (from the perspective of a traditional dwarf).  And were he a female character, neither Bishop nor Casavir would be any better while Khelgar would have been a fine, upstanding prospect.

My gnomish arcane trickster (female) thought Grobnar was absolutely BRILLIANT.  A little too stright-laced for her tastes when it came to thievery, but otherwise the sort of fun guy she'd have wanted to do some experiments with.  But instead she got lewd innuendo from that Bishop thug who just wouldn't ever go away (curse Duncan and his bringing in unwanteds into the group!) and some sort of strange worship from the paladin that was just.. so.. awkward.  Humans are all sorts of fun to be around, but who wants a giant behemoth like that knocking about the bed?  I suppose there could be some sort of fancy contraption that would allow a gnomish lass to encase a male human in a metal contraption that would.. sorry getting off the subject.. but no.  No interest there.  But Grobnar is just a little darling!  And the name "Gnomehands", well, doesn't that just conjure images of what Grobnar could do with those clever little hands of his....

My point is that romance options in the game work well for elves, humans, half-elves, yuan-ti purebloods, and planetouched.  I guess half orc and gray orc could also fit, but there should be at least some angst-filled dialog options to reflect that heritage, but a full-blown half-orc romance option would be better.  But for dwarves, gnomes, and halflings, there really aren't options for them.  Not unless you want to completely ignore their race when it comes to romance.

[Vaalyah]

I think puiwaihin is right. Really. I never thought about romance in that way because I usually play with an elf (a drow) so, actually, humans are not so bad. But if I had played with another race, maybe it could be awkward to have big human flirting with me...

So maybe we could just look for EACH NPCs romanceable but, of course, with a bit of sense of perspective. The possibilities that a dwarf could be interested in a human are almost zero. And vice versa. Just because they are very different and they, of course, search in the "other" what in their opinion is attractive.

No, I don't think my elf female could see Khelgar as attractive. But of course, she thinks he's incredibly amusing! :-D

[OfficerDonNZ]

When you look at the romances from your character's prospective yeah it can get a bit awkward. When your PC is a dwarf or a gnome having Elanee or Casavir throw themselves at you makes not a lot of sense. It makes even less sense for Cas to confess his love for an evil aligned PC.
 
Dragon Age doesn't suffer so badly as there are only three races but its rather amusing to see the LI's swoon over a dwarf .  At least you can tell them you're not interested.

[Vaalyah]

There could be 2 solutions:

1) romancable options for whatever NPCs, so if you meet someone of a specific race, s/he would react to your PC. The problem is that this implies a lot of stuff to wrote for the authors!

2) the romanceable NPCs' race change according to the PC. Even if I'd far prefer no romance at all, than seeing Bishop as a dwarf :-D

[puiwaihin]

Vaalyah, your solutions are along the same lines I would have picked. Ideally you could combine the two ideas, giving each companion a potential romance option if the races match and also creating a character whose race and gender vary depending on the race and gender of the main character.

[Vaalyah]

This is a very interesting idea, the problem is that when creating a game, the authors don't seem to focus on the romance options.I think they believe romances are just a... plus. Something to add taste to a game, but not more than a cherry over the cake.

[puiwaihin]

Actually, I agree with the Devs. But if my human character gets a cherry, I think my dwarf deserves a cherry too!

[Vaalyah]

Oh, I am not saying that the idea is bad or that dwarves/halfling/insert-peculiar-race-here don't deserve a romance option. I am totally agreeing with you.

I simply don't think authors would do that because it would imply a lot of extra work for something they aren't evaluating as a big "plus" on the "would a person give to us his/her money for this game if we add this feature?" question!

[dethia]

I DID NOT WANT ANY ROMANCES good riddance.

[Vaalyah]

Ehm, could you tell us "why"?