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Flemeth: Un-Official biography of the Witch of the Wild


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I have decided to add some threads that detail facts about Thedas. It is Thedan lore in demand that is available to the blooming thoerist!

Please have a look at the Old Gods thread if you are interested in them.

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We all love Morrigan. But what of Flemeth, the original Witch of the wild? Who is She? Where does she come from?

My interest in this character is due to her similarity with Baba Yaga, the Slav witch that lives in the hut with chicken legs. Plus she radiates a sense of mystery which awakens my curiosity. So I would like to collect a detailed collection of facts and lore about her: This might help other DA fans to later conjecture more and come closer to the heart of the mystery that surrounds her.

1. Flemeth was married to the Tyern of Highever, Conobar Elsten in the third age of the divine or the Age of Towers. What she did before that is uncertain. There are two versions of this event. Conobar married to Flemeth, and she ran away with Osen OR Osen married to Flemeth and Osen killed by Conobar and marrying Flemeth. What she did before that is unknown. She was very beautiful and obviously an able mage. She called upon spirits to avenge the death of her lover but the spirits drove her mad and she became a twisted crazed creature as she killed Conobar and the rest and vanished into the wilds or so tale the says. This happens about 700-650 years ago. In all honesty, I believe this timeline as there is NO mention of Flemeth before this... A witch as powerful as her deserves advertisements, no?

2. The next time we actually hear of her exploits, its already quite ahead in time. She has been called the Witch of the Wilds by the chasind barbarians. They fear her and her daughters that entice men and steal their souls (so is the rumor). But she again rises to fame when, the Korcari witches supposedly lead an army against the Almarri tribes to be defeated by Cormac. But then Morrigan presents an alternative to this as well. This happens about 100 years from her escape to the wilds. That is about 600-550 years ago.

3. After this her directly know exploit involves meeting with Maric. She makes some unknown deal with him for some reason. This takes place about 30 years in the past.

4. Cut to story timeline: She has somehow obtained the Grey warden treaties breaking their magical seal or getting them when it was broken with time. She knows that the importance of this document as she expects GWs to come looking for them. She seems to have a definite plan by this time. When they do arrive she gets them the treaties WITHOUT any conditions and even warns of a looming Blight. Utterly hospitable, she seems to act a bit batty, whether intentionally or not.

5. She rescues only two GWs from Ostagar and heals them. She even provides Morrigan as a companion to the PC, who seems reluctant, but we later find out how it was all sham.

6. Morrigan lets us into the fact that she has seen Flemeth as a young Dark Haired woman. 

7. We discover Flemeth's Grimoire on Morrigan's behest. This tells Morrigan that Flemeth intends to use her body for next renting place. Morrigan tries to put a Not Available sign using the GW.

8. We encounter Flemeth (in absence of Morrigan) and she turns into a Dragon if we choose to kill her. A High-freaking-Dragon. She changes her name to Flemeth the Shape-shifter.

9. On death she does not turn back into a human.

10. This gives the GW the real Grimoire and a curious dress called "Robes of possession".

11. Morrigan claims that this may not have killed Flemeth, but now is better prepared to face her in the future with the Real Grimoire being in her possession.
 
12. Morrigan proposes the OGB idea and confesses that it was planned all along. Thus telling us that she knew of the ritual WITHOUT the help of the Grimoire.

Phew.



Facts we know for sur
e:

1. Flemeth was indeed married to Conobar in the Tower age (700 years ago) and murdered him. Couslands became Tyerns a result of which.

2. Flemeth has a gift of foresight or is terribly smart.

3. Flemeth was an abomination at some point of time. Perhaps still is. The possession might be multiple: "The demon came much later" -Morrigan. It might have assumed the identity of the real Flemeth.

4. Flemeth is a VERY powerful shape-shifter. A high-dragon????? That can easily fell a small army.... Plus she nearly resurrects the GWs AFTER saving them from impossible odds.

5. Flemeth and Morrigan are a constant pair of Mother and Daughter. Whether the name Morrigan is Stickied or not is not known. But the daughter is always a Dark, Exotic beauty.

6. Flemeth is more than just a woman or even a Witch. She embodies an idea... a mystery, a legend, a warning and more,  a Cautionary tale.

7. She is a thief of souls. She can steal souls is every which way described by all the sources. may have some truth to it.

8. She has the knowledge of Rituals that allow capturing of Old God souls into unborn babies.

9. She knows GW lore with detail.

10. She wants the OGB so badly that she plots for it VERY much in advance.

11. She has taught Morrigan to an extent that Morrigan knows the stupidity/futility of bargaining with Demons.

12. She is extremely Utilitarian (and Machiavellian)

That kind of sums her character.



Now time for speculations:


I think that Flemeth possesses the spirit of Mystery or Survival. She is personified by the idea of Strangeness... She is a riddle more than a Human. She is a warning that things are not always how they have happened earlier but can e drastically different. It is my belief that the Woman Flemeth is all but Gone (there may be some remains there left though, asserting themselves through the story of Conobar for eexample). She is akin to the two ravens of elven lore, Deceit and Fear, and she could be an abomination through their possession. That may mean that she draws strength from fear of others (as other demons do).

Then again, she could be the Old god Razikale, the Dragon of mystery.. She seems to have the powers displayed by the old gods like Soul volleyball, Lets play High-dragons and You-kill-me-I get-another-body. But she never references the Black city. NEVER. Her only known direct conenction to Old Gods is her interest in securing the OGB.

I don't think she was Andraste. The chronological evidence, if correct, is against that. I don't think she is Morrigan either. They are a pair, a constant one at that, but distinct.

So who is she really?

Modifié par SirShreK, 17 juillet 2010 - 08:21 .


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A nutty old bat.

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A companion for DA2 most likely.

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I still doubt that she is an immortal Old God. I am thinking that she may just have a very unique demon inside of her, of which more we will learn of in DA 2

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First line "we all love Morrigan".



Bullcrap.



Plenty of people hate her.

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Grommash94 wrote...

I still doubt that she is an immortal Old God. I am thinking that she may just have a very unique demon inside of her, of which more we will learn of in DA 2


I doubt that too. I think she has TWO spirits inside her.... or even more!

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SirShreK wrote...

Grommash94 wrote...

I still doubt that she is an immortal Old God. I am thinking that she may just have a very unique demon inside of her, of which more we will learn of in DA 2


I doubt that too. I think she has TWO spirits inside her.... or even more!


It could very well be possible.

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AntiChri5 wrote...

First line "we all love Morrigan".

Bullcrap.

Plenty of people hate her.

Yes, so you have said in so many other forums. Note that Morrigan is one of the favourite in DAO.

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C'mon guys! I thought that this would call for HEAVY speculation!!

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Grommash94 wrote...

SirShreK wrote...

Grommash94 wrote...

I still doubt that she is an immortal Old God. I am thinking that she may just have a very unique demon inside of her, of which more we will learn of in DA 2


I doubt that too. I think she has TWO spirits inside her.... or even more!


It could very well be possible.


"We Are Legion for we are Many" :whistle:

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saMOOrai182 wrote...

Grommash94 wrote...

SirShreK wrote...

Grommash94 wrote...

I still doubt that she is an immortal Old God. I am thinking that she may just have a very unique demon inside of her, of which more we will learn of in DA 2


I doubt that too. I think she has TWO spirits inside her.... or even more!


It could very well be possible.


"We Are Legion for we are Many" :whistle:

"Christian Bible gospel of Mark chapter five verse nine"

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....i could have sworn you learned in the couslands have always been tyern of highever in the human noble origin

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Tenkari wrote...

....i could have sworn you learned in the couslands have always been tyern of highever in the human noble origin


Perhaps this will help....

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Tenkari wrote...

....i could have sworn you learned in the couslands have always been tyern of highever in the human noble origin


It could possible that Conobar was Conobar Cousland :P

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Since Flemeth seems to be the hot discussion topic today, I'll throw in my two cents (purchasing power has been dropping so much its pretty much useless...). The only way for the whole Flemeth, Morrigan, daughters, witches of the wilds, old god eat/sleep/poop machines, etc. to make sense to me is if Flemeth is not one person. Everyone seems to assume that Flemeth is one person that jumps ship everytime she dies and posseses one of her daughters (like Morrigan). However, I propose there is more than one Flemeth at any given time, and I would go so far as to say that every Flemeth daughter becomes another Flemeth when they are born (including Morrigan).



Maybe I'm just un-certifiably insane. I don't know.

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lv12medic wrote...

Since Flemeth seems to be the hot discussion topic today, I'll throw in my two cents (purchasing power has been dropping so much its pretty much useless...). The only way for the whole Flemeth, Morrigan, daughters, witches of the wilds, old god eat/sleep/poop machines, etc. to make sense to me is if Flemeth is not one person. Everyone seems to assume that Flemeth is one person that jumps ship everytime she dies and posseses one of her daughters (like Morrigan). However, I propose there is more than one Flemeth at any given time, and I would go so far as to say that every Flemeth daughter becomes another Flemeth when they are born (including Morrigan).

Maybe I'm just un-certifiably insane. I don't know.


Did you actually read the article? Its nice.. and inforamtive...

I think that she could be personification of an Idea!

A world with freaking Fade and Magic! This is quite possible in Thedas...

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FLEMETH

Un-Official biography of the Witches of the Wild



A new Broadway musical with great numbers like 'Shapeshifting through Life' and 'Defying Chantry'

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Good point saMOOrai, I mentioned this in another thread but party banter between Morrigan and Zevran reveals that there is another so-called 'Witch of the Wilds' in the swamps of Antiva, a daughter of Flemeth perhaps? Who managed to escape her like Flemeth?

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Risax wrote...

Good point saMOOrai, I mentioned this in another thread but party banter between Morrigan reveals that there is another so-called 'Witch of the Wilds' in the swamps of Antiva, a daughter of Flemeth perhaps? Who managed to escape her like Flemeth?


I must have missed that... Who she says it too?

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SirShreK wrote...

Risax wrote...

Good point saMOOrai, I mentioned this in another thread but party banter between Morrigan reveals that there is another so-called 'Witch of the Wilds' in the swamps of Antiva, a daughter of Flemeth perhaps? Who managed to escape her like Flemeth?


I must have missed that... Who she says it too?


Oh crap it was supposed to say:'party banter between Morrigan and Zevran'.

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Valmy wrote...

FLEMETH
Un-Official biography of the Witches of the Wild

A new Broadway musical with great numbers like 'Shapeshifting through Life' and 'Defying Chantry'


or even a movie

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Maybe Flemeth could be the God-child? If she and Morrigan had all this worked out beforehand (Morrigan travelling with Warden etc), and if Flemeth knew of the Dark Ritual, and if Flemeth can re-incarnate, then it could be perfectly possible for her soul to 'hitch a ride' with the Old God soul in Morrigan's child. In killing Flemeth, maybe the GW was just following a plan orchestrated by Flemeth and Morrigan together, to allow Flemeth's soul to be free so that it could be, um, re-housed ..:-D

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AllThatJazz wrote...

Maybe Flemeth could be the God-child? If she and Morrigan had all this worked out beforehand (Morrigan travelling with Warden etc), and if Flemeth knew of the Dark Ritual, and if Flemeth can re-incarnate, then it could be perfectly possible for her soul to 'hitch a ride' with the Old God soul in Morrigan's child. In killing Flemeth, maybe the GW was just following a plan orchestrated by Flemeth and Morrigan together, to allow Flemeth's soul to be free so that it could be, um, re-housed ..:-D

Strange... But possible, Flemeth thought Morrigan to survive with any means neccesary and I see Morrigan trying to strike a deal like this.

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Risax wrote...

SirShreK wrote...

Risax wrote...

Good point saMOOrai, I mentioned this in another thread but party banter between Morrigan reveals that there is another so-called 'Witch of the Wilds' in the swamps of Antiva, a daughter of Flemeth perhaps? Who managed to escape her like Flemeth?


I must have missed that... Who she says it too?


Oh crap it was supposed to say:'party banter between Morrigan and Zevran'.


yes. Its there.... I wonder is thats an escaped Morrigan....

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You may want to note that Flemeth was old when she met Maric in The Stolen Throne approx 30 yrs prior to the start of the game. She was described as having "wild white hair" & as "decrepit" in the book.



So, that leaves four possiblities from what I see:

- The timeline is wrong between the game and the books,

- Morrigan lied about seeing a younger, dark-haired Flemeth,

- Flemeth's bodies age unnaturally fast (she obtained a new body and it has aged to current state in DAO within 30 years) or

- Morrigan is much older than she appears.