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Then how would Morrigan turn into a a High-Dragon?
I think Morrigan and the Warden are completely outmanouvered by Flemeth regardless of their decisions in DA:O.
Flemeth probably ''breed'' and raised her only to concieve the OGB in the first place and therefore implemented certain ideas and morals to make her predictable.

In a sense Morrigan is already posessed by Flemeth.


I assume that you are addressing me.

If so, then she has either learnt new tricks OR the True Grimoire ending has been canonized.....

OR She always was Flemeth :P.... I respectfully dodge that as I saw them together NOT ONLY near their hut, but also in the Fade.

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Just means Flemeth will have a harder time posessing MOrrignan which if she is a companion means a weaker one.Thus tricking morrigan delivers a strong companion in DA2 otherwise a weak one if you kill flemeth.Would love to see decisions make that sort of effect.

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well imo flemeth is a nearly typical demon. Demons CAN change the body/leave a body (Connor) and appearently leave its vessel a part of its personality (uldred says "i am uldred and yet i am not him" or whatever he says in the english version). so its possible that the demon known as flemeth leaves a body (and a person) and comes to a new one. that propably makes it necessary that the person has a special character or special abilities OR that the person is connected to the first person by blood. i still think that a part of the person remains, but it propably gets weaker during time, untill theres almost nothing left of the person (remember when we meet flemeth to tell her that we'd kill her....the woman is totally insane at that point). another clue for the demon theory is that flemeth doesn't become herself again when we kill her, but that she remains a dragon. when morrigan in BearForm dies, she becomes human again. when for example uldred dies he remains in his demonic form.

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well imo flemeth is a nearly typical demon. Demons CAN change the body/leave a body (Connor) and appearently leave its vessel a part of its personality (uldred says "i am uldred and yet i am not him" or whatever he says in the english version). so its possible that the demon known as flemeth leaves a body (and a person) and comes to a new one. that propably makes it necessary that the person has a special character or special abilities OR that the person is connected to the first person by blood. i still think that a part of the person remains, but it propably gets weaker during time, untill theres almost nothing left of the person (remember when we meet flemeth to tell her that we'd kill her....the woman is totally insane at that point). another clue for the demon theory is that flemeth doesn't become herself again when we kill her, but that she remains a dragon. when morrigan in BearForm dies, she becomes human again. when for example uldred dies he remains in his demonic form.


But Dragons are not spirits or demons. (sic) David gaider.

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But shes not a dragon she can shapeshift into one thus when shes in dragon form shes names "Flemeth the Shapeshifter". Just because Morrigan shapeshifts into a spider doesn't make her one overall. hses still a sorceress...

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"But Dragons are not spirits or demons. (sic) David gaider."



flemeth becomes a creature that looks like a dragon. its not necessarlily one. besides it must not be a demon. it could be a spirit/old god/whatever.

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DanteCousland wrote...

But shes not a dragon she can shapeshift into one thus when shes in dragon form shes names "Flemeth the Shapeshifter". Just because Morrigan shapeshifts into a spider doesn't make her one overall. hses still a sorceress...


Then again Morrigan reverts back to her human form when she falls in combat doesn't she?
Flemeth's body remains in the state of a High-Dragon......

Whatever that old woman is, she's definitely more then simply a powerful shapeshifter.

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R.U.N wrote...

DanteCousland wrote...

But shes not a dragon she can shapeshift into one thus when shes in dragon form shes names "Flemeth the Shapeshifter". Just because Morrigan shapeshifts into a spider doesn't make her one overall. hses still a sorceress...


Then again Morrigan reverts back to her human form when she falls in combat doesn't she?
Flemeth's body remains in the state of a High-Dragon......

Whatever that old woman is, she's definitely more then simply a powerful shapeshifter.

i think thats more laziness on bw part.like connor the abomination reverts back to human form to die because he gets a cut scene while uldred and flemeth get no extra time.

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What is Flemeth trying to achieve by absorbing her daughters? Does she just wanna life forever or the power?



I would proberly do the same to get powerfull and live longer, oh the possibilities of having power...

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she rather just live and cook up new spells.

Her power is solely for survival...

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iTomes wrote...

"But Dragons are not spirits or demons. (sic) David gaider."

flemeth becomes a creature that looks like a dragon. its not necessarlily one. besides it must not be a demon. it could be a spirit/old god/whatever.


Vould it be that the Dragons are ACTUALLY children of Old Gods????? As in real children? 

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SirShreK wrote...

iTomes wrote...

"But Dragons are not spirits or demons. (sic) David gaider."

flemeth becomes a creature that looks like a dragon. its not necessarlily one. besides it must not be a demon. it could be a spirit/old god/whatever.


Vould it be that the Dragons are ACTUALLY children of Old Gods????? As in real children? 


Could be

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Well since Flemeth needed to have many daughters in order to take their bodies, she would have needed men to get her pregnant. That being said her super secret deal with Maric may have been to get her pregnant with... say, Morrigan? Dun dun dunnnn haha. The timelines kind of match... Then again Flemeth could easily capture any old bloke and get him to get her pregnant, I wouldn't be suprised if Flemeth even found out a way to get herself pregnent without a man. Then again I'm tired and crazy so don't listen to a word I say haha.

Haha .... Alistair and Morrigan are half brother and sister! na I doubt thats true Flemeth doesnt need no d*ck for her to be pregnant! Morrigan said herself ... that Flemeth wouldnt have another daughter by any natural means .... but still could happen ...Posted Image

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Fun Fact: Conobar means Waiter in Croatian ! :P

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Fun Fact: Conobar means Waiter in Croatian ! :P


This gives an additional angle to the Flemeth origin.

Conobar was a waiter who fell in love with the bride of Osen,  a Bard. In order to impress her, he told her that he was a Tyern. He agreed to compensate her monetarily for her marriage to himself. To complete the sham he took her to the hotel in Croatia, where he worked part-time. Unfamiliar with European culture, Flemeth assumed that the waiter's uniform was actually his royal dress, and the Hotel his palace. Though the food was bad, she decided to accept Conobar's offer after thinking that she would order new cooks.

When she realized the truth that there were no good cooks she contacted the spirits, namely Whiskey and Rum. Also consuming the popular drug "Lyrium" (I swear I heard the Maker fame) simultaneously, she started living more and more in the "Fade". One day possessed by these spirits she murdered her husband and ran off into the forrest. Later people claimed that her children, the result of fetal alcohol syndrome, were abominations and would lure men with the promise of home brewed Ale. They began to call the brood "Witches of the Wild" after the mother and the daughters started a Night club called "Wild-life".

You then ask, what happened to Osen?

Ironically, Osen was the bard who wrote a ballad based on his tragic love story in third person and became famous overnight. Later he signed in with a band of four Lute players who used Silverite armour to produce noisy sounds and wrote gruesome lyrics, filled with lyrium inspired theme,  for their songs. The group was called "The five demons of Fade", Osen assuming the role of Rage Demon. He retired with a million sovereigns and ended up marrying the desire demon Songstress of their band.

They say, that he later went to the underground casino city of Arlathan, ruled by the once Underground Mafia (now Old Farts really), who still ruled it from their prison homes, not much different in style, than the infamous Dons of mario Puzo.  We have not heard of him since then...........

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On the topic of discussing Flemeth does anyone else think the story told about her (as in the picture of her that is painted) is at least flawed? Maybe it´s because i hardly find soul sucking body stealing eldritch abominations who only wat to do evil interesting but the whole story with the Grimmoire sounds reall fishy (or sloppy executed) :



First of all : Why did she write her supposed utmost secret the thing nobody should know especially not her daughter in a book and not even her real Grimoire that she had for safekeeping but some arbitrary spellbook or whatever the black Grimmoire is that you find. It just doesn´t fit with her being cunning and manipulative (how i hope Morrigan is a liar with an agenda outside of Flemeth if only to see her burned ).



Second : If the black grimmoire really holds such an obviously evil spell why wasn´t it either burned (which might be a waste depending on who acquired the book e.g. was it under Irvings reign or not)

or simply locked up together with the phylacteries and the other obviously dangerous stuff in the Mage Tower so that noone will ever have access to it?



Lastly : If such a mage exist why isn´t she hunted down crusader style instead of having at most a pair of templers coming her way. Wouldn´t it be saver to throughly obliberate the Korcari Wilds? I mean the Chantry is obviously capable of such a thing in case they had knowledge of it and i can´t see why since at least Irving might have given them the information.



I´m probably still missing some points that can be pointed out but for now that´s all that comes ot my head. Any ideas or corrections or opinions?

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On the topic of discussing Flemeth does anyone else think the story told about her (as in the picture of her that is painted) is at least flawed? Maybe it´s because i hardly find soul sucking body stealing eldritch abominations who only wat to do evil interesting but the whole story with the Grimmoire sounds reall fishy (or sloppy executed) :

First of all : Why did she write her supposed utmost secret the thing nobody should know especially not her daughter in a book and not even her real Grimoire that she had for safekeeping but some arbitrary spellbook or whatever the black Grimmoire is that you find. It just doesn´t fit with her being cunning and manipulative (how i hope Morrigan is a liar with an agenda outside of Flemeth if only to see her burned ).

Second : If the black grimmoire really holds such an obviously evil spell why wasn´t it either burned (which might be a waste depending on who acquired the book e.g. was it under Irvings reign or not)
or simply locked up together with the phylacteries and the other obviously dangerous stuff in the Mage Tower so that noone will ever have access to it?

Lastly : If such a mage exist why isn´t she hunted down crusader style instead of having at most a pair of templers coming her way. Wouldn´t it be saver to throughly obliberate the Korcari Wilds? I mean the Chantry is obviously capable of such a thing in case they had knowledge of it and i can´t see why since at least Irving might have given them the information.

I´m probably still missing some points that can be pointed out but for now that´s all that comes ot my head. Any ideas or corrections or opinions?


Corrections: Grammar (joking!!!!!!!!!!! :wizard:)

Ok...

Point to point:

Firstly: You are absolutely right. The whole Grimoire thing smacks of a plot to get the GW to have her killed for some reason.... NO FREAKING IDEA WHY!

Secondly: Read Firstly.

Lastly: There is a beautifully written story on the bioware site.

read it!!

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The Templars actually DID hunt both Flemeth and Morrigan down iirc.

Morrigan used to lure them into a trap where Flemeth finished them and stuff, that's her idea of having fun :).



After they dispatched them they usually moved on into another region of the Kocari Wilds.

Also keep in mind, just because The Warden managed to take Flemeth out doesn't mean that some Templars can.......



In DA:O The Warden is basically one of the most powerful beings in Ferelden atleast if not Thedas.....


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R.U.N wrote...

The Templars actually DID hunt both Flemeth and Morrigan down iirc.
Morrigan used to lure them into a trap where Flemeth finished them and stuff, that's her idea of having fun :).

After they dispatched them they usually moved on into another region of the Kocari Wilds.
Also keep in mind, just because The Warden managed to take Flemeth out doesn't mean that some Templars can.......

In DA:O The Warden is basically one of the most powerful beings in Ferelden atleast if not Thedas.....


Correct! Because I think so too :whistle: ....

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First line "we all love Morrigan".

Bullcrap.

Plenty of people hate her.

Indeed.

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R.U.N wrote...

The Templars actually DID hunt both Flemeth and Morrigan down iirc.
Morrigan used to lure them into a trap where Flemeth finished them and stuff, that's her idea of having fun :).

After they dispatched them they usually moved on into another region of the Kocari Wilds.
Also keep in mind, just because The Warden managed to take Flemeth out doesn't mean that some Templars can.......

In DA:O The Warden is basically one of the most powerful beings in Ferelden atleast if not Thedas.....

Yes, but Morrigan also says that she thinks Flemeth is realy dead.
And how can we be sure that that 'old woman' is the real Flemeth, as it says in the story all those people that warned the Templar where her, did she have multiple bodys? where that some of her daughters or does she simply move very fast? I mean she does know the Wilds the best of all.

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Risax wrote...

R.U.N wrote...

The Templars actually DID hunt both Flemeth and Morrigan down iirc.
Morrigan used to lure them into a trap where Flemeth finished them and stuff, that's her idea of having fun :).

After they dispatched them they usually moved on into another region of the Kocari Wilds.
Also keep in mind, just because The Warden managed to take Flemeth out doesn't mean that some Templars can.......

In DA:O The Warden is basically one of the most powerful beings in Ferelden atleast if not Thedas.....

Yes, but Morrigan also says that she thinks Flemeth is realy dead.
And how can we be sure that that 'old woman' is the real Flemeth, as it says in the story all those people that warned the Templar where her, did she have multiple bodys? where that some of her daughters or does she simply move very fast? I mean she does know the Wilds the best of all.


OK...
There is a proof.. kind of..  that the Old Hag in DA:O IS Flemeth:

The nightmare in the mage tower. Morrigan AND Old LAdy (Flemeth) appear together.

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SirShreK wrote...

Risax wrote...

R.U.N wrote...

The Templars actually DID hunt both Flemeth and Morrigan down iirc.
Morrigan used to lure them into a trap where Flemeth finished them and stuff, that's her idea of having fun :).

After they dispatched them they usually moved on into another region of the Kocari Wilds.
Also keep in mind, just because The Warden managed to take Flemeth out doesn't mean that some Templars can.......

In DA:O The Warden is basically one of the most powerful beings in Ferelden atleast if not Thedas.....

Yes, but Morrigan also says that she thinks Flemeth is realy dead.
And how can we be sure that that 'old woman' is the real Flemeth, as it says in the story all those people that warned the Templar where her, did she have multiple bodys? where that some of her daughters or does she simply move very fast? I mean she does know the Wilds the best of all.


OK...
There is a proof.. kind of..  that the Old Hag in DA:O IS Flemeth:

The nightmare in the mage tower. Morrigan AND Old LAdy (Flemeth) appear together.

The Nightmares in the Broken Circle quests where al Demons playing tricks on your party members, rember Goldanna being a **** in real life but the perfect sister in his Nightmare?

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Risax wrote...

SirShreK wrote...

Risax wrote...

R.U.N wrote...

The Templars actually DID hunt both Flemeth and Morrigan down iirc.
Morrigan used to lure them into a trap where Flemeth finished them and stuff, that's her idea of having fun :).

After they dispatched them they usually moved on into another region of the Kocari Wilds.
Also keep in mind, just because The Warden managed to take Flemeth out doesn't mean that some Templars can.......

In DA:O The Warden is basically one of the most powerful beings in Ferelden atleast if not Thedas.....

Yes, but Morrigan also says that she thinks Flemeth is realy dead.
And how can we be sure that that 'old woman' is the real Flemeth, as it says in the story all those people that warned the Templar where her, did she have multiple bodys? where that some of her daughters or does she simply move very fast? I mean she does know the Wilds the best of all.


OK...
There is a proof.. kind of..  that the Old Hag in DA:O IS Flemeth:

The nightmare in the mage tower. Morrigan AND Old LAdy (Flemeth) appear together.

The Nightmares in the Broken Circle quests where al Demons playing tricks on your party members, rember Goldanna being a **** in real life but the perfect sister in his Nightmare?


ARRRRGHHH! You missed the point! Goldanna DOES exist! :D

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SirShreK wrote...

Risax wrote...

SirShreK wrote...

Risax wrote...

R.U.N wrote...

The Templars actually DID hunt both Flemeth and Morrigan down iirc.
Morrigan used to lure them into a trap where Flemeth finished them and stuff, that's her idea of having fun :).

After they dispatched them they usually moved on into another region of the Kocari Wilds.
Also keep in mind, just because The Warden managed to take Flemeth out doesn't mean that some Templars can.......

In DA:O The Warden is basically one of the most powerful beings in Ferelden atleast if not Thedas.....

Yes, but Morrigan also says that she thinks Flemeth is realy dead.
And how can we be sure that that 'old woman' is the real Flemeth, as it says in the story all those people that warned the Templar where her, did she have multiple bodys? where that some of her daughters or does she simply move very fast? I mean she does know the Wilds the best of all.


OK...
There is a proof.. kind of..  that the Old Hag in DA:O IS Flemeth:

The nightmare in the mage tower. Morrigan AND Old LAdy (Flemeth) appear together.

The Nightmares in the Broken Circle quests where al Demons playing tricks on your party members, rember Goldanna being a **** in real life but the perfect sister in his Nightmare?


ARRRRGHHH! You missed the point! Goldanna DOES exist! :D

Ehmmm... did you read my post?
I said she was the perfect sister in Alistairs nightmare and that she was a b***h in REAL LIFE.