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[Greenface21]

I thought crossbows were able to pierce heavy armour? Those are in game... oh well



Let's just hope hawke doesnt have to fight the qunari invasion then. I believe they have cannons.

[Saibh]

Greenface21 wrote...

I thought crossbows were able to
pierce heavy armour? Those are in game... oh well

Let's just hope
hawke doesnt have to fight the qunari invasion then. I believe they
have cannons.

We have fireballs! ...

Armored fireballs!

Modifié par Saibh, 18 juillet 2010 - 04:19 .

[tmp7704]

Tirigon wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...

Ehh, not to argue the advantage of extra mobility of course, but on that one point... modern soldiers are routinely equipped with body armour and gear which combined weights ~60 lbs (the chest piece can weight 30-35 lbs alone) Do you honestly believe when they trip in that --or simply go prone-- they can't stand up again?

Modern armor is not equal to medieval plate armor.
Knights could not stand up without help when they fell.

While it's true these aren't equal, If anything it's actually the other way around -- modern body armour is less well distributed over the body than the plate armour of old, making the movement more difficult.

The thing about knights unable to stand up is pretty much a myth originated around 18-19th century. But to see the way it'd really be, check out this for example: 

or better yet and more to the point: 

Modifié par tmp7704, 18 juillet 2010 - 04:47 .

[Greenface21]

Saibh wrote...

We have fireballs! ...

Armored fireballs!

Good point! We DO have fireballs. That would convert any plate armour into a big oven.  It's best to just go leather or something skimpy.

Kidding aside trying to apply real world reasoning to a fantasy setting is pointless.  If Bioware ever shows off Lady Hawke hopefully she will be wearing something sexy yet also tasteful.

[SirGladiator]

I think the bottom line is that people like different things, that's why variety is good. If you like skimpy outfits for the ladies, you shouldn't mind others preferring more modest ones. If you like to cover your female teammates from head to toe, you shouldn't mind if someone else prefers them to dress like Morrigan. So long as there are plenty of outfits in the game that suit each preference, everyone is happy. I personally like to strike a balance, I prefer outfits there are less extreme than Morrigan's but more revealing than the regular suits of armor. But that's just my preference, so long as everybody has plenty of their favorite type to choose from all is good.



Its the same with the main topic of this thread. Some people prefer their lead character to be male, and they appreciate seeing screenshots of the 'default' male lead. Other people prefer their lead character to be female, and would appreciate seeing screenshots of the default female lead also. To make a ton of screenshots with one type of Hawke and zero with the other is just stupid, because there are way, WAY too many people who like to play as female characters for that to make any sense. It would be like making 'all' the outfits like Morrigan's, or 'all' the outfits cover you from head to toe. You'll please some of the fans just fine, but you'll make the rest angry for absolutely no reason whatsoever. So I would say use some good old fashioned common sense (the Super Power mentioned earlier in this thread) and give everybody what they want. Give us screenshots with male Hawke, as well as Lady Hawke. Then we'll all be winners!

[Time4Tiddy]

It does seem odd to me that they focus so much on a male Hawke, when you know there will be a fem/fem romance and 90% of 20-something straight guys (the supposed target audience) will roll a Lady Hawke first so they can see the girl/girl action. A male Hawke as an archetype seems most suited to 13 and 14 year old boys, who shouldn't really be playing an M rated game.

[Tyreal42a]

Time4Tiddy wrote...

It does seem odd to me that they focus so much on a male Hawke, when you know there will be a fem/fem romance and 90% of 20-something straight guys (the supposed target audience) will roll a Lady Hawke first so they can see the girl/girl action. A male Hawke as an archetype seems most suited to 13 and 14 year old boys, who shouldn't really be playing an M rated game.

This is ridiculous. If you're talking only about the perverted internet crowd, you might find a lot of males will be making that decision, but as strange as it might seem, the people who post on these message boards are still overall a minority of the fanbase. Even on the internet, there are still plenty who will go for the male Hawke, just as in Mass Effect, where plenty prefer 'MaleShep'. The crowd you speak of are a minority. A vocal minority, sure, but still a minority. I find the whole 'roll a female character just to see 2 pixels representing females having sex with each other' thing a little creepy, personally, and there are others, but to each their own.

I would argue that you've got it backwards. Most 13 to 14 year old boys would be more interested in an attractive woman in a chainmail bikini, but I have no evidence to back that up. Nor do you, however. 90% of 20-something straight guys? That is absolutely ridiculous. You just pulled that out of nowhere, so I'm calling nonsense.

I'm curious why people feel so strongly about this. Maybe they feel threatened about her inclusion? Perhaps it's easy since I plan on playing a male Hawke, but even then, what does it matter who is in the screenshots? You know there is going to be a female Hawke. She's not going to vanish. If there is a friend you are trying to talk into getting that game but is worried about not being able to play as a female character, all you need to do is tell her that there will be. And even if they do include female Hawke in some screenshots...given how most people hate the 'default' version, the vast majority of you will make something that looks totally different. Same with those who play a male Hawke. It's a placeholder, and once the game comes out, it won't matter anyway, as everyone will create their own version of Hawke. So it all seems completely meaningless to me.

Modifié par Tyreal42a, 18 juillet 2010 - 05:38 .

[Saibh]

SirGladiator wrote...

I think the bottom line is that people like different things, that's why variety is good. If you like skimpy outfits for the ladies, you shouldn't mind others preferring more modest ones. If you like to cover your female teammates from head to toe, you shouldn't mind if someone else prefers them to dress like Morrigan. So long as there are plenty of outfits in the game that suit each preference, everyone is happy. I personally like to strike a balance, I prefer outfits there are less extreme than Morrigan's but more revealing than the regular suits of armor. But that's just my preference, so long as everybody has plenty of their favorite type to choose from all is good. 

Yes, but think about the mechanics of the game: there are no "exclusive" female armors or robes. You can switch Oghren's armor straight onto your human female. The ridiculous and offensive part is if the writers (and I'm not saying they will) pull a WoW, and make armor that is protective and reasonable on a guy, skimpy and foolishly small on a female, just so she looks hot. It's demeaning. It really, really is.

I can accept there being regular clothing that looks skimpy and that's great, but just, not the armor.

[Vicious]

Modern body armor sucks ass, but there's no real effective counter to the dual threats that soldiers have to face, sadly. So what do they get? A holder for cumbersome heavy metal plating to stop the rounds, which still results in the soldier feeling like a horse kicked them in the chest when they are hit, and the plating itself only lasting 4-5 rounds maximum before failing, an action which can happen in a fraction of a second giving the soldier no time to react before his death, despite the plating.



Given the threats faced, Yes modern armor does it's job. But never think for a second it's up to what plate armor was in it's day and age. Plate armor was tank armor. If you were big and strong and wore plate you could kill with impunity. yes an arrow or crossbow could punch through your armor, but that's what shields and numbers were for. And shields made outstanding weapons as well.



And so longbows/crossbows became equalizers. And guns just made it so regardless of training you can be instakilled by some random jackass at any moment.



Combat just ain't what it used to be.

[Mary Kirby]

Saibh wrote...

Yes, but think about the mechanics of the game: there are no "exclusive" female armors or robes. You can switch Oghren's armor straight onto your human female. The ridiculous and offensive part is if the writers (and I'm not saying they will) pull a WoW, and make armor that is protective and reasonable on a guy, skimpy and foolishly small on a female, just so she looks hot. It's demeaning. It really, really is.

I love you guys. I do. But can I just point out that the writers don't make the armor models? We've got nothing to do with that. The most we can do is name an item something like, "Cuirass of Visible Female Midriffs."   Or maybe, "Heavy Dragonbone Armor That Makes Your Butt Look Big"

[Arttis]

Mary Kirby wrote...

Saibh wrote...

Yes, but think about the mechanics of the game: there are no "exclusive" female armors or robes. You can switch Oghren's armor straight onto your human female. The ridiculous and offensive part is if the writers (and I'm not saying they will) pull a WoW, and make armor that is protective and reasonable on a guy, skimpy and foolishly small on a female, just so she looks hot. It's demeaning. It really, really is.

I love you guys. I do. But can I just point out that the writers don't make the armor models? We've got nothing to do with that. The most we can do is name an item something like, "Cuirass of Visible Female Midriffs."   Or maybe, "Heavy Dragonbone Armor That Makes Your Butt Look Big"

Sounds like good names so far.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Arttis wrote...

Mary Kirby wrote...

Saibh wrote...

Yes, but think about the mechanics of the game: there are no "exclusive" female armors or robes. You can switch Oghren's armor straight onto your human female. The ridiculous and offensive part is if the writers (and I'm not saying they will) pull a WoW, and make armor that is protective and reasonable on a guy, skimpy and foolishly small on a female, just so she looks hot. It's demeaning. It really, really is.

I love you guys. I do. But can I just point out that the writers don't make the armor models? We've got nothing to do with that. The most we can do is name an item something like, "Cuirass of Visible Female Midriffs."   Or maybe, "Heavy Dragonbone Armor That Makes Your Butt Look Big"

Sounds like good names so far.

Heh. Armour that tells it like it is. And yet I get the feeling that men would still get icy stares and slaps if they commented...

[Saibh]

Mary Kirby wrote...

Saibh wrote...

Yes, but think about the mechanics of the game: there are no "exclusive" female armors or robes. You can switch Oghren's armor straight onto your human female. The ridiculous and offensive part is if the writers (and I'm not saying they will) pull a WoW, and make armor that is protective and reasonable on a guy, skimpy and foolishly small on a female, just so she looks hot. It's demeaning. It really, really is.

I love you guys. I do. But can I just point out that the writers don't make the armor models? We've got nothing to do with that. The most we can do is name an item something like, "Cuirass of Visible Female Midriffs."   Or maybe, "Heavy Dragonbone Armor That Makes Your Butt Look Big"

/headdesk:pinched:

Yes, yes, I did mean the devs, not the writers. I tend to refer to the writers more often than not, since the writing is what I care about most, as opposed to animation, art design, and such, and I slipped here.

*sigh* Of all the things Mary Kirby can acknowledge me for...

Modifié par Saibh, 18 juillet 2010 - 06:39 .

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Saibh wrote...

Mary Kirby wrote...

Saibh wrote...

Yes, but think about the mechanics of the game: there are no "exclusive" female armors or robes. You can switch Oghren's armor straight onto your human female. The ridiculous and offensive part is if the writers (and I'm not saying they will) pull a WoW, and make armor that is protective and reasonable on a guy, skimpy and foolishly small on a female, just so she looks hot. It's demeaning. It really, really is.

I love you guys. I do. But can I just point out that the writers don't make the armor models? We've got nothing to do with that. The most we can do is name an item something like, "Cuirass of Visible Female Midriffs."   Or maybe, "Heavy Dragonbone Armor That Makes Your Butt Look Big"

/headdesk:pinched:

Yes, yes, I did mean the devs, not the writers. I tend to refer to the writers more often than not, since the writing is what I care about most, as opposed to animation, art design, and such, and I slipped here.

*sigh* Of all the things Mary Kirby can acknowledge me for...

Maybe he'll name some armour after you as a form of commiseration.

[Mary Kirby]

Saibh wrote...

/headdesk:pinched:

Yes, yes, I did mean the devs, not the writers. I tend to refer to the writers more often than not, since the writing is what I care about most, as opposed to animation, art design, and such, and I slipped here.

*sigh* Of all the things Mary Kirby can acknowledge me for...

If it's any consolation, I would more than likely write you an awesome looking, yet practical and functional, suit of female armor, if for some reason I had obtained the power to make armor entirely out of words.

[Fraevar]

Mary Kirby wrote...

Saibh wrote...

/headdesk:pinched:

Yes, yes, I did mean the devs, not the writers. I tend to refer to the writers more often than not, since the writing is what I care about most, as opposed to animation, art design, and such, and I slipped here.

*sigh* Of all the things Mary Kirby can acknowledge me for...

If it's any consolation, I would more than likely write you an awesome looking, yet practical and functional, suit of female armor, if for some reason I had obtained the power to make armor entirely out of words.

Dang - so not dark Voodoo rituals will make that come through. Curses! Failing that, I do hope the designers picked up on some of the negativity surrounding some of the female armorsets in DA:O (like the cheerleader Dalish armor set) and adjust their designs accordingly.

[Saibh]

Mary Kirby wrote...

Saibh wrote...

/headdesk:pinched:

Yes, yes, I did mean the devs, not the writers. I tend to refer to the writers more often than not, since the writing is what I care about most, as opposed to animation, art design, and such, and I slipped here.

*sigh* Of all the things Mary Kirby can acknowledge me for...

If it's any consolation, I would more than likely write you an awesome looking, yet practical and functional, suit of female armor, if for some reason I had obtained the power to make armor entirely out of words.

I'm pretty sure if you actually wrote something down for us, someone out there would totally make an armor mod matching the description.

(Okay, now I do feel better. :happy:)

[Lucy Glitter]

Mary Kirby wrote...

I love you guys. I do. 

I just wanted to quote that to make myself feel better. 

[Bryy_Miller]

Mary Kirby wrote...

If it's any consolation, I would more than likely write you an awesome looking, yet practical and functional, suit of female armor, if for some reason I had obtained the power to make armor entirely out of words.

Wait, so it's not that kind of game, then?

[Altima Darkspells]

Mary Kirby wrote...

Saibh wrote...

/headdesk:pinched:

Yes, yes, I did mean the devs, not the writers. I tend to refer to the writers more often than not, since the writing is what I care about most, as opposed to animation, art design, and such, and I slipped here.

*sigh* Of all the things Mary Kirby can acknowledge me for...

If it's any consolation, I would more than likely write you an awesome looking, yet practical and functional, suit of female armor, if for some reason I had obtained the power to make armor entirely out of words.

True Names?

Also, if you ever obtain that power, I doubt you'd still be working for BioWare. 

[wikkedjoker]

Mary Kirby wrote...

Saibh wrote...

Yes, but think about the mechanics of the game: there are no "exclusive" female armors or robes. You can switch Oghren's armor straight onto your human female. The ridiculous and offensive part is if the writers (and I'm not saying they will) pull a WoW, and make armor that is protective and reasonable on a guy, skimpy and foolishly small on a female, just so she looks hot. It's demeaning. It really, really is.

I love you guys. I do. But can I just point out that the writers don't make the armor models? We've got nothing to do with that. The most we can do is name an item something like, "Cuirass of Visible Female Midriffs."   Or maybe, "Heavy Dragonbone Armor That Makes Your Butt Look Big"

One I love the armor idea's DLC anyone? LOL JK


You know it might be demeaning, but
on that same note it think its also demeaning not to have it as well?

I
mean go to mall, I can say that with 100% certainty, you will find more
women in short shorts and mid-drift exposing spaghetti strap t-shirts,
with there breast piratically hanging out, more often than you will find
a conservatively dressed woman.  I think its narrow minded to look at
this as demeaning, I mean sure you
can, but take a good hard look at the way MOST women dress, if its
demeaning its only because, you demean yourselves, remember the saying
is "art imitates life", not life imitates art.

On that same
note however, and on a personal level, the fashion trends, and the way it
is depicted in art, games, comics and movies, does annoy me a great
deal, however instead of ****ing about it I understand why it is the
way it is, simply put its the way the world REALLY is,
not because of some chauvinistic male pig ruling, but because women
seem to love to live by the rule if you've got it float it. No one
forces women to go to the mall in  nothing, its a choice, and a
choice the majority makes on there own. And the Medea reflects said choice.       



Anyways as to the subject of Dragon Age

Although I will
agree that I shouldn't take the armor off a Male character and magically
its sexy underwear for a Female character, I do think the OPTION for
sexy armor however impractical it might be should be there.

On
that note, I think the stats of the armor should reflect the armor
choice.

Sexy worrier woman armor:

Would decrees the
protection of the armor stats, and possibly the health.

But
because it would be lighter, and easier to move in realistically, it
would add to Dexterity and Speed.
 
And because it's this sexy
armor it would have an added negotiation bonus, when dealing with male
NPC's 

Like getting more for quests, or more cash back in the
shop.

And possibly negative effect when dealing with a female
NPC

Unless their are gay, than you would flip the stats. LOL


But I do think this should be female specific, and not just
be every piece of armor a woman puts on becomes this, but armor
specifically made to do this, so if you want the OPTION you have it if
you don't than you don't have it.

      

[Deviija]

Yes, I am pro-sexy and hypersexualized armor. On Men.

[wikkedjoker]

Deviija wrote...

Yes, I am pro-sexy and hypersexualized armor. On Men.

Fair is fair, but is their a way that would make the armor NOT look as if they played the knight in the gay pride
parade?

If not than I guess even if the guy has on sexy male armor he would have no interest in the girls ogling him. . .

Like they say men who sparkle have no interest in woman. LOL

Modifié par wikkedjoker, 18 juillet 2010 - 08:30 .

[Tirigon]

Saibh wrote...

Heavy armor worked IRL, it certainly works in the game, and it would be utterly foolish for Hawke to wear skimpy armor.

Heavy armor worked because knights didn´t duel ith their swords but charged with hundreds of others in a row, effectively creating a all of steel that would crush its opponents like a tank driving over guys lying on the floor.

It did NOT work for elite swordsmen who fought alone or in very small groups. You can compare it to the macedonian 6 metres long spears: It was great in a formation creating an inpenetrable wall of blades, but it´s impossible to fight alone with such equipment.

And the comment "it works in the game" is ridiculous. Sure it does, but in the game you can survive being chewed by a dragon and throw fireballs from your hands, sooo......

[Tirigon]

tmp7704 wrote...

While it's true these aren't equal, If anything it's actually the other way around -- modern body armour is less well distributed over the body than the plate armour of old, making the movement more difficult.

The thing about knights unable to stand up is pretty much a myth originated around 18-19th century. But to see the way it'd really be, check out this for example: 

or better yet and more to the point: 

I wonder, if this is the case, why don´t modern day soldiers wear plate armor?

Also, the video doesn´t show falling down in combat. Getting up when you know you´re going to fall and stand up again to show something is one thing - getting hit with a pike and standing up while some guy is trying to drag your helmet off and stabb you to death is a bit more difficult.




But to end this annoying discussion: Personally, I want armor in a game to look good, not for the stats. High def + health reg is better, imo, than armor rating.

Modifié par Tirigon, 18 juillet 2010 - 09:02 .