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#126
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Deviija wrote...

Yes, I am pro-sexy and hypersexualized armor. On Men.


I second this.
It greatly annoys me that women are allowed to look slu7ty in battle but men aren´t. Imo, that´s much more sexist than female armor.

Anyays, It would be best if there was armor for men and for women, and if a woman manages to fit in a male armor somehow it WILL NOT adapt but stay in the male form (additional bonus: allows roleplaying a transgender or drag queen), and vice versa, if a man puts on a metal bikini it will look like a metal bikini and not, all of a sudden, like medieval plate mail.

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wikkedjoker wrote...

Fair is fair, but is their a way that would make the armor NOT look as if they played the knight in the gay pride
parade?

If not than I guess even if the guy has on sexy male armor he would have no interest in the girls ogling him. . .


While I am being serious, I was also being sarcastic.  Your response is the gateway to a larger argument that mirrors the one women (and likeminded men) have been having against sexified women/portrayals of women/hypersexualized attire on women in games for years.  So thank you for the springboard.  :)

One begins asking questions, having doubts, and disliking the idea for how outlandish it may appear.  My point is to show that this works both ways, and to mirror the demographic that fistpumps and declares, 'Yes, more sexualized women in fetish outfits in our games!'  I can do it too, on men, and perhaps seeing it will make someone think what it is like on the 'other' side of the fence.  How ridiculous it really is.

I mean, I can ask: How do women move in that midrif leather/chainmail bikini/painted on g-string outfit?  Doesn't it pinch the boobs?  How does one get into it?  Man, the chaffing must suck.  And, obviously, they're exposing all their vulnerable spots for enemies to take advantage of.  Neck, stomach, chest (cleavage area).  What protection do these things offer?  If a female's armor has her bearing her stomach and chest, then the male's armor should have the same.  It makes no sense for a lady to pay the same amount of coin for that armor, only to have her put it on and it has skin everywhere.  Then, when a gentleman puts the same armor on it has him covered from head to toe and lets him feel 'badass' and empowered.  I know that when my character in games is wearing a thong of power I do not feel badass.  Just ridiculous.  I want to feel capable and badass, too.

We can answer 'it is just fantasy/a game, gawd!'  Which I accept and say, then, as a fantasy/game, men should be as sexified and sexualized as women because logical reasoning is not part of that argument.  But that said, I am pro-hypersexualization -- of both sexes -- and that's why I believe we should all have those options.  Options for a player to express her or his characters how she or he wants them (sexualized or practical). 

Modifié par Deviija, 18 juillet 2010 - 09:14 .


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Mary Kirby wrote...

Saibh wrote...

/headdesk:pinched:

Yes, yes, I did mean the devs, not the writers. I tend to refer to the writers more often than not, since the writing is what I care about most, as opposed to animation, art design, and such, and I slipped here.

*sigh* Of all the things Mary Kirby can acknowledge me for...:blush:


If it's any consolation, I would more than likely write you an awesome looking, yet practical and functional, suit of female armor, if for some reason I had obtained the power to make armor entirely out of words.


Well you do need a script for the armor to actually appear in the game, correct? If so, that is now your task!

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Mary Kirby wrote...

Saibh wrote...

/headdesk:pinched:

Yes, yes, I did mean the devs, not the writers. I tend to refer to the writers more often than not, since the writing is what I care about most, as opposed to animation, art design, and such, and I slipped here.

*sigh* Of all the things Mary Kirby can acknowledge me for...:blush:


If it's any consolation, I would more than likely write you an awesome looking, yet practical and functional, suit of female armor, if for some reason I had obtained the power to make armor entirely out of words.

That explains where Wade's Superior ĐragonSOMETHING armor came from :P 

And yeah, I wrote Đragon... so much for having the right things on mah keyboard... it sounds a bit funny though...

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Deviija wrote...

Then, when a gentleman puts the same armor on it has him covered from head to toe and lets him feel 'badass' and empowered.  I know that when my character in games is wearing a thong of power I do not feel badass.  Just ridiculous.


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Much more badass than any gentleman in his shiny armor.

Ridiculous? Yes, very much so, but still insanely badass.

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I absolutely HATE armors like that on my PC's. Nothing badass about them. They are ridiculous....IMHO.

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I was always fond of how gender-neutral the armour was in Origins. I'll take something practical over something feminine any day.

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I´m sort of playing devil´s advocate anyways, because I share your sentiments. My personal favourite is the Ivory Tower armor:

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However, it annoys me if people call armor like the Dark Elf one above sexist.

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As long as we have the option to be in something revealing or something pratical, everything should be fine.



I mean, I like a woman in something hot if they themselves feel empowered and individual. Not for others, but for themselves, like Trish in DMC.

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Deviija wrote...

wikkedjoker wrote...

Fair is fair, but is their a way that would make the armor NOT look as if they played the knight in the gay pride
parade?

If not than I guess even if the guy has on sexy male armor he would have no interest in the girls ogling him. . .


While I am being serious, I was also being sarcastic.  Your response is the gateway to a larger argument that mirrors the one women (and likeminded men) have been having against sexified women/portrayals of women/hypersexualized attire on women in games for years.  So thank you for the springboard.  :)

One begins asking questions, having doubts, and disliking the idea for how outlandish it may appear.  My point is to show that this works both ways, and to mirror the demographic that fistpumps and declares, 'Yes, more sexualized women in fetish outfits in our games!'  I can do it too, on men, and perhaps seeing it will make someone think what it is like on the 'other' side of the fence.  How ridiculous it really is.

I mean, I can ask: How do women move in that midrif leather/chainmail bikini/painted on g-string outfit?  Doesn't it pinch the boobs?  How does one get into it?  Man, the chaffing must suck.  And, obviously, they're exposing all their vulnerable spots for enemies to take advantage of.  Neck, stomach, chest (cleavage area).  What protection do these things offer?  If a female's armor has her bearing her stomach and chest, then the male's armor should have the same.  It makes no sense for a lady to pay the same amount of coin for that armor, only to have her put it on and it has skin everywhere.  Then, when a gentleman puts the same armor on it has him covered from head to toe and lets him feel 'badass' and empowered.  I know that when my character in games is wearing a thong of power I do not feel badass.  Just ridiculous.  I want to feel capable and badass, too.

We can answer 'it is just fantasy/a game, gawd!'  Which I accept and say, then, as a fantasy/game, men should be as sexified and sexualized as women because logical reasoning is not part of that argument.  But that said, I am pro-hypersexualization -- of both sexes -- and that's why I believe we should all have those options.  Options for a player to express her or his characters how she or he wants them (sexualized or practical). 

I’m fairly familiar with the “Over Sexualization of women in all forms of media” issue, to the point I don’t believe its an issue.

Lets look at Comic books
Wonder Woman
http://media.comicvi...woman_super.jpg

Black Canary
http://media.comicvi...anary_large.png

Power girl
http://media.comicvi...-power-girl.jpg

The list goes on and on and ON, but these are some of the more popular ones.

Now I’ve always wondered, what is it that people find over sexed, yes certainly artist have portrayed these characters in poses that, seem rather cheese cake, and if that was the argument I got, than I could live with it, but unfortunately its not.

It’s the level of clothing they have on, now this argument has always bothered me, because the same thing could be said about superhero men.

Batman:
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Superman
http://www.supermant...rman-flying.jpg

Hawkman
http://hallofheroes....per/hawkmen.jpg

Now I know what your thinking Joker there all fully dressed, with the exception of Hawkman.

And I would agree, but to be honest the only thing on the male superheroes that distinguishes clothing from flesh really just boils down to color, if you think about it the only thing on these men that COULD be sexualized, is well the only thing. . . And I’ve yet to see that done, atlases in American comics.

Its more the double standard that bothers me. We are all people, human beings equal in every way, right? Yet why is it appropriate for a man to walk around shirtless and for a woman its indecent exposure?   

I remember sometime back reading an article online, about the staggering rate of teachers molesting students.  BUT one thing bothered me a lot, a male teacher, who had only sent inappropriate text messages got a significantly longer jail time than the female teacher who had slept with multiple students.

Its just glaring  double standers like this that bother me.

Now why do I think women are more sexualized than men? I really don’t, I mean It all boils down to what you watch and what you read, look in any teen girl magazine or on the cover of any romance novel and there you will see the idealistic overly buff, overly sexed man that every woman wants.

The reason its more blatant  in movies and games and comics, is simply because that move, that game, that comic, isn’t geared toward the viewer ship of women, its towards the viewer ship of men. It might sound sexist, but for years that’s how its been, its only in the past few years that the female interest in these have peaked, and they have noticed, that these girls are overly sexy, for no other reason than blatant fan service.

 Its funny however, when you start looking at the minds behind a lot of this fan service you will find women, its almost hypocritical.

Most Manga artist are female,  and they take what we think is over Sexualization and turn it up to 11. I’m not sure on the number, but I have read that A LOT of the directors of porn, and exploitation films are in fact female.

I guess the issue also boils down to this, it is simply easier to overly sexualize the female body than it is for the male, short of throwing a Hebrew international out there, or making them flamboyantly gay. don’t get me wrong it can be done, its just not as easy. The female body form an art stand point looks softer and more inviting, worm as the male body looks hard, and is more a symbol of violence and strength. You see Superman and Batman in a comic and you think protection, and strength. You see Wonder Woman or Power Girl and depending on the art you think A LOT of different things.

Is it wrong-

No, simply because like I said in an earlier post, go to the Mall. Take a good look around. It would probably be easier to count the woman in more conservative or modest attire than the ones running around in, cut off jean shorts, that look like underwear, mini-skirts, belly shirts, and there boobs hanging out, like a Christmas Turkey on display. Complaining about, the over Sexualization of women, is like dressing in your shortest skirt, and tightest low cut top, and than ****ing when a guy give you a quick look up and down. Its nonsensical, if you didn’t want that kind of attention than you shouldn’t have dressed that way.   

This goes directly to media because the media, game designers, artist, TV, movies comic books see this and even though the know about the feministic issue of the way women are presented in media they see this and assume that it’s a relatively small group that don’t like it. So as long as you have the vast majority of woman, everyday going out dressed over sexualized WILLINGLY. Than you will continue to have this in media, right or wrong, it’s the truth.

And as far as practicality. Well I’m sure that it would have is uses.

You most likely  wouldn’t have skimpy metal armor, more like a skimpily leather armor, or cloth robes. And there practicality would be varied, a rouge, would probably be less hindered the less they wore. A class that values speed over strength. But I wouldn’t see it fit to take the plate Armor off  Male A) and put it on female B), and go from plate armor, to hottest summer fashion, for a day at the beach.  However I do think it would be practical for some lighter, armor, with less to it, for both male and female, that do add speed bonuses, but have no protection, or appropriate protection based on ho much armor is there.   


Anyways sorry if I got a little ranty.  

       

#136
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Lady Hawke sounds nice to me so it would be good if we could see a few images.

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That just reminded me of one joke, my brother told me.

When Lady Gaga comes to british party, every britishman wonders, where´s Lord Gaga.


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As long as the sexy men get to get as much covering as the sexy women I am fine with it.


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At the main screen before you start the game there'll be an option to select between "Typical" RPG-styled armor skins and "Realistic".

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ColeMR wrote...

At the main screen before you start the game there'll be an option to select between "Typical" RPG-styled armor skins and "Realistic".


Where "Realistic" will mean you get metal bras. And "typical style" will mean you get this:
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Lady Hawke :wub: :o :blink:

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Caparzofpc wrote...

Lady Hawke :wub: :o :blink:

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QFS (quoted for sexiness)!

Female beauty combined with the awesomeness of THE BEARD is just too much. If you do not fall in love with this girl right NOW you´re weird:police:

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Caparzofpc wrote...

Lady Hawke :wub: :o :blink:

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That. Is. Awesome.

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Two magnificent beards in one screenshot. The sheer power..is ....over.. w-whelming!

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Tirigon wrote...

ColeMR wrote...

At the main screen before you start the game there'll be an option to select between "Typical" RPG-styled armor skins and "Realistic".


Where "Realistic" will mean you get metal bras. And "typical style" will mean you get this:
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You know, I rarely have to say this, but as a guy, I just think you're not getting it. Since you're not a woman, it's okay for you not to be objectified.

Here's what happened:

1. I mentioned how magically shrinking armor on a woman would be offensive.
2. You said how it'd be more "realistic"
3. I got my panties in a bunch.
4. You then switched you argument to define that you weren't talking about wearing skimpy clothes, you were talking about wearing lighter armor.
5. I argued that that's the point of rogue vs. warrior and it still is, you have yet to acknowledge that Hawke, male or female, may choose how heavy and cumbersome their armor is.
6. You evidently switched your point to mean they should dress like skanks anyway because it's "badass".
7. Leading me to conclude you're just not getting that for a woman, it's demeaning, because the exact same armor set on a dude turns into a chainmail bikini on a girl--essentially saying that why have protection when you can have b**bs! Which sounds great to you, I'm sure, but misogynistic to moi. You know, it's along the line of "What do I care if I keep my bouncies tucked away where no darkspawn can hack/burn them off, Amazon-style? I need to the darkspawn and Alistair to appreciate my buoyant flesh." Why the hell an female warrior would choose to dress like a skank in the middle of battle is beyond me.

And while we're at it, if dressing like that is such a good idea, why don't the men? Why don't they wear midriff-baring tops, sanity be damned? Hotpants, if you will? There's a difference between wearing light armor for maneuverability and next to no armor to look good.

http://tvtropes.org/...ChainMailBikini
http://tvtropes.org/...n/Stripperiffic

Read up.

EDIT: And as a last point, how are you not seeing that every single woman here (unless I missed one or two) prefers the idea of modest, protective armor over skankaho metal undies? This should tell you something. Mull over it.

Modifié par Saibh, 18 juillet 2010 - 02:39 .


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I love that pic and I like the way the look on his face actually portrays his emotional state, anxiety, fear, confusion, exhaustion, battle weariness - excellent stuff Bioware.



I do prefer my female companions without the beard though, thank you very much-lol.

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I really like the look of Hawke as well. It invokes Ulysses, for me anyway.

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Saibh wrote...

Here's what happened:

1. I mentioned how magically shrinking armor on a woman would be offensive.
2. You said how it'd be more "realistic"

Not the shrinking, I hate that myself. But it´s not worse than shrinking the armor for elves and dwarfes, imo.....

3. I got my panties in a bunch.
4. You then switched you argument to define that you weren't talking about wearing skimpy clothes, you were talking about wearing lighter armor.

Skimpy clothes tend to be lighter, on account of having less material:wizard:

5. I argued that that's the point of rogue vs. warrior and it still is, you have yet to acknowledge that Hawke, male or female, may choose how heavy and cumbersome their armor is.

I argue that it makes no sense for a warrior to dress like a guy fighting in closed formation when he´s fighting alone or with 3 companions. And I hate these classes. God I´d so love if DA2 would get rid of classes completely...

6. You evidently switched your point to mean they should dress like skanks anyway because it's "badass".

No, someone said they want to feel badass like men. I argue that skimpy outfits are more badass. I admitted they are ridiculous, and I stand by both these statements.

7. Leading me to conclude you're just not getting that for a woman, it's demeaning, because the exact same armor set on a dude turns into a chainmail bikini on a girl--essentially saying that why have protection when you can have b**bs! Which sounds great to you, I'm sure, but misogynistic to moi. You know, it's along the line of "What do I care if I keep my bouncies tucked away where no darkspawn can hack/burn them off, Amazon-style? I need to the darkspawn and Alistair to appreciate my buoyant flesh." Why the hell an female warrior would choose to dress like a skank in the middle of battle is beyond me.

It´s demeaning for men to be unable to dress like that. Why the hell should I choose to wear a huge, heavy metal thing around me in which I can hardly move and sweat like a pig, while female warriors are allowed to wear comfortable clothing that does not lessen their agility AND STILL GET THE SAME ARMOR RATING?! At least remove protection for them, then. Men are discriminated against so much in this aspect.

And while we're at it, if dressing like that is such a good idea, why don't the men? Why don't they wear midriff-baring tops, sanity be damned? Hotpants, if you will? There's a difference between wearing light armor for maneuverability and next to no armor to look good.

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Should he really wear less?:blink:



EDIT: And as a last point, how are you not seeing that every single woman here (unless I missed one or two) prefers the idea of modest, protective armor over skankaho metal undies? This should tell you something. Mull over it.


3 women here. Yesterday I saw 50 wearing hotpants and armless tops with their boobs hanging out.
That should tell you something.

Modifié par Tirigon, 18 juillet 2010 - 02:54 .


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Caparzofpc wrote...

Lady Hawke :wub: :o :blink:

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That just seems so natrual I feel bad not being able to say worse.

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I do prefer my female companions without the beard though, thank you very much-lol.


HERETIC! BEARD-HATER! Get the TORCHES and BURN him!:police::police::devil::devil:


Seriously though, I would love if she had that beard in the game. It would make me laugh so hard:D:D:D:D:D