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[Grommash94]

iTomes wrote...

im really not sure were i got the "demons came afterwards" from could be totally wrong, so we propably should just ignore that. but what about arlathan being the controll room of the fade... is that possible??

It could be. We really don't know much about Arlathan; so it could be that is it connected to the Fade somehow.


Something just hit me. Anyone remember the 'mirror' in the Dalish origin? It was connected to the Fade, I believe, and somehow, connected to the Darkspawn taint as well. Suspicious.

[Risax]

Could it be that when elders where in the Fade they saw the Black/Golden city or lived their with their Gods to some part?

And that it was later decided to build a similair city where the Elders went to sleep?Thought anyone?

[iTomes]

"Something just hit me. Anyone remember the 'mirror' in the Dalish origin? It was connected to the Fade, I believe, and somehow, connected to the Darkspawn taint as well. Suspicious."



already had a long discussion about this in another one of SirShreks great threads. imo the mirror somehow....idk...was placed in arlathan....

[Grommash94]

iTomes wrote...

"Something just hit me. Anyone remember the 'mirror' in the Dalish origin? It was connected to the Fade, I believe, and somehow, connected to the Darkspawn taint as well. Suspicious."

already had a long discussion about this in another one of SirShreks great threads. imo the mirror somehow....idk...was placed in arlathan....

It could be.

[iTomes]

"Interesting theories.







The only thing I'll say is that the Silent Plains are where the climactic battle of the First Blight took place-- they've remained tainted ever since, a permanently blighted place. So if you're assuming the Silent Plains are perhaps like that because of Arlathan, you would be incorrect."



one more possibility gone.... but hey that tells me that this battle WAS pretty epic. and that the silent plains have to be pretty cool to look at^^ i guess well visit it someday....

[Fishy]

It's OT .. But Thedas remind me of Quebec .. I mean the geography .. With ferelden being the Ontario and Lake Calenhad being lake ontario and the waking sea being the Saint-Laurent River ..and the Nocean sea being the Ungava Bay.

[th8827]

David Gaider wrote...

Interesting theories.

The only thing I'll say is that the Silent Plains are where the climactic battle of the First Blight took place-- they've remained tainted ever since, a permanently blighted place. So if you're assuming the Silent Plains are perhaps like that because of Arlathan, you would be incorrect.

If it is permanently Blighted, then could it possibly be an entrance/exit to the Black City?

[iTomes]

i meant a possibility i made in my mind and never spoke out loud... never mind^^



@David Gaider: me 2 (dammit forgot sayin that in the first post xD)

[iTomes]

"Perhaps we should start a fan-club..."



indeed

[AlexXIV]

Well some things I don't understand then. The elves worship the Creators, the humans the Maker. If the Golden City was Arlathan, then the Maker was ... an elf? Or was one of the Creators also the Maker? And why should humans worship an elf or elven god? And if the elven city would have been attacked in the real world with powerful magic, wouldn't that also have had an effect on the Arlathan in the Fade? Seeing how actions in the Fade can have consequences in the mortal world and vice versa.

I feel remembered of the elven ruins from the dalish origin. They are a mixture of human and elven culture, which lets me wonder how deep the connections between elves and humans actually were. The elves retreated after they noticed something happening to them. But before I could imagine they were rather friendly. Maybe even elven-human couples. I am not really sure to believe the dalish lore of the events that happened. After all they blame the humans for the loss of the Dales even though the elves were the first to attack a human outpost. They ARE sort of aggressive. Maybe not more than humans, but still.

Anyway, I could imagine that the conflict between elves and humans started when the elves noticed that they are losing their immortality and then decided to ask the humans to leave. The humans maybe didn't want to, since they had villages and towns built already. So I wouldn't be surprised if it were the elves who first picked up arms to get rid of the humans. Maybe they even wanted them gone from all of Thedas. Could be wrong, but my point is I wouldn't picture the elves as goody-two-shoes and the humans all evil and greedy. So I don't see a connection between the elves and the golden city and the Maker, since they didn't really have the morally higher ground in my book. 

[Ahzrei]

SirShreK wrote...

iTomes wrote...

i meant a possibility i made in my mind and never spoke out loud... never mind^^

@David Gaider: me 2 (dammit forgot sayin that in the first post xD)

One thing is true This great man has thought the entire mythology very very impeccably

...woof...

He makes me engrossed with this story! And he just made my day..!

Perhaps we should start a fan-club...

Agreed. I won signed copies of his novels in the BioWare Bazzar, and love them to death. /squee


I think you're on to something here, though I don't think you've got the nail on the head just yet. I'm thinking Arlathan was the metaphorical center of Thedas, not the geographical one. Although if the city is so ancient and mysterious we aren't even sure who built it- it could be the physical counterpart to the Black City in the Fade. The fact that Arlathan is underground isn't lost on me. I had a "holy ****" moment reading your post- realizing that the ancient Elven city could be where the Darkspawn are, well, spawning.

I'm not sure where you think the Plains fit into this though. It's geographical location is very interesting, but I was always under the impression Arlathan was in the forest of the same name, not out on an open plain. The taint there is from the battle of the first Blight, right? The blood of countless darkspawn tainting the ground where it spilled.


Still, good stuff man. I will defiantely keep this in mind playing through DA2 to dig a little deeper.

[iTomes]

well im for the evolved part. would have to be a pretty dominant gene... but it would make the elves hate the humans, i mean the humans are able to erase the elves by mating with them^^

[iTomes]

"So.. actually there is some truth to it.. Human-Elf babies are ALWAYS human. This is explained in game by GENETIC FLEXIBILITY of elfs.... very very suspicious..."



genetic flexebil?? so if the humans are mutants ore came with a little scout troop (like columbus) amd then made elven woman pregnant and so spreading the "weakness" that would explain a lot. for example why there are so many humans.

[iTomes]

well i think the TI defeated the elves by cleverness... yknow tricked them or something. besides that i think the elven society was pretty weak and a victim of stagnation at this point. so they propably werent the strongest enemys...

[iTomes]

well propably they couldn't take arlatha because it wasn't takeable. like troy or something. just too strong defendet. undestroyable walls would be a start. magical defense weapons too. and if arlathan WAS able to have influence on the fade.... what kind of big nasty weapon would that be??

[Risax]

SirShreK wrote...

Risax wrote...

Could it be that when elders where in the Fade they saw the Black/Golden city or lived their with their Gods to some part?
And that it was later decided to build a similair city where the Elders went to sleep?Thought anyone?

Please explain in detail.. .Could be very interesting...

Please remember this is all wide speculasion.
But the story teller from the Dalish Origin (forgot his name) said that because Elves didn't die at that time.
But it wasn't mentioned if it was a 'dreamless' sleep, so my thoughts after reading some of your threads where:"Could it be that Elves where advanced in pretty much everything because they could talk with their gods when they where in the Fade for long periods of time?". So maybe they meeted them in their Golden city?
And because the gods give them so much the Elves built Arlathen simelair as a tribute to their Gods?

[iTomes]

maybe the gods build arlathan AND the golden city as a home for them and the elves in both worlds, the fade and the real world...