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[iTomes]

well but propably the gods just make some kind of new war.... you see both picking the guys they want to use for it and then allow them to smack each others heads...

[Grommash94]

Avaflame wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Interesting theories.

The only thing I'll say is that the Silent Plains are where the climactic battle of the First Blight took place-- they've remained tainted ever since, a permanently blighted place. So if you're assuming the Silent Plains are perhaps like that because of Arlathan, you would be incorrect.

To me, this does not confirm that Arlathan was not located in the Silent Plains. In fact, some could argue that this would make sense in terms of some of SirShreks theories. If Arlathan is the source of the darkspawn, and Arlathan is located underneath the Silent Plains, then perhaps that is why the climactic battle of the First Blight took place there, which resulted in the Silent Plains becoming permanently tainted.

All we can do is speculate, of course. Still, imo, the facts seem to point towards the forest, but hey, we may never know.

[iTomes]

"All we can do is speculate, of course. Still, imo, the facts seem to point towards the forest, but hey, we may never know."



psh.... we will know!^^

[darkiddd]

Well if you have on the map a forest called Arlathan forest i think that obvioulsy the city had to be near, but still i find very interesting that Arlathan and Black City relation SirShrek has made, even if Arlathan was not in the center of Thedas, that doesn't mean it wasn't some type of projection of the Black city in the material world and viceversa.

Besides in a dwarf story it is said that the men thought the first darkspawn had fallen from the sky as they had been expelled from the golden city, but they knew (the dwarfes) that the first darkspawn came from the darkest and deepest places of the deep roads

Maybe when they were casted away from the golden city they appeared as darkspawn on the underground Arlathan?

[darkiddd]

If you look at the map of Thedas you'll see a mountain called the white spiral near the Arlathan forest, maybe under that mountain is still Arlathan.

[darkiddd]

SirShreK wrote...

darkiddd wrote...

If you look at the map of Thedas you'll see a mountain called the white spiral near the Arlathan forest, maybe under that mountain is still Arlathan.

..............

That would mean that it was on the top of mount spiral before that. Sorry, No.

I'm not saying the mountain was already before Arlathan, I mean that if you bury an entire city under the rock you may leave a little mound or mountain as a result, or may not... Somebody who has bury cities underground may help us?

[darkiddd]

Arlathan could also be inside the Arlathan forest.

[darkiddd]

SirShreK wrote...

darkiddd wrote...

SirShreK wrote...

darkiddd wrote...

If you look at the map of Thedas you'll see a mountain called the white spiral near the Arlathan forest, maybe under that mountain is still Arlathan.

..............

That would mean that it was on the top of mount spiral before that. Sorry, No.

I'm not saying the mountain was already before Arlathan, I mean that if you bury an entire city under the rock you may leave a little mound or mountain as a result, or may not... Somebody who has bury cities underground may help us?

Al-quida? Taliban?

:blink:

[iTomes]

besides, when the first blight ended there and the darkspawn came from there it would make sense that this was theyre first "base-camp" or whatever...

[darkiddd]

SirShreK wrote...

darkiddd wrote...

I've just thought about the elven mythology and that elven wolf Fen'Harel, who tricked both the elven gods and the Forgotten Ones (enemies of the elven gods). Its story says that he managed to seal the elven gods in heaven and the forgotten ones in the earth. Well what if the forgotten ones were the old gods trapped underground and the elven gods were trapped on the black city of the fade. I also remember reading that the elves didn't remember the name of the forgotten ones but that these dark gods whispered them in dreams, like the old gods did with the tevinter imperium mages, it's possible isn't it?

I would SERIOUSLY like to know who did this whispering in elven dreams.... Did the Forgotten Ones themselves whisper Why did they not shout? Perhaps they were smokers (dragons=smoke) and got throat cancer? If Mr gaider would be kind enough to tell us...

Gaider don't hide!!!! we want an answer!!!!

[iTomes]

ANOTHER archdemon..... holy SH*T were does that one come from??^^

[Grommash94]

'shudders'

[Kaiser Shepard]

Random thought I had yesterday, which may or may not have have anything to with Arlathan:
In one of your previous topics we spoke of the Elven Pantheon, the Forgotten Ones and Fen'Harel, the so-called Dread Wolf. There were nine gods in the Elven Pantheon including Fen'harel and an unknown number of Forgotten Ones.

Now, it is commonly assumed that either of the two groups might have been/become the entities also known as the Old Gods and that Fan'Harel had something to do with the disappearance of both groups and that this occurred around the time of the fall of Arlathan.

"Ancient elves worshipped a pantheon of five gods and four goddesses. Their mythology also mentions another set of gods called the "Forgotten Ones", the enemies of the elven pantheon. Only Fen'Harel, the trickster god of the elven pantheon, was able to walk freely between both groups. Elven legend attributes the failure of their gods to intervene in the fall of Elvhenan to Fen'Harel, who, it is claimed, deceived both the elven pantheon and the Forgotten Ones, trapping the former away in heaven and the latter in the abyss, where they could no longer influence events in the mortal world."

or

"The gods of good would remove themselves to heaven, and the lords of evil would exile themselves to the abyss, neither group ever again to enter the other's lands. But the gods did not know that Fen'Harel had planned to betray them, and by the time they realized the Dread Wolf's treachery, they were sealed in their respective realms, never again to interact with the mortal world."

Why did Fen'Harel betray everyone? Did he sense the inevitable upcoming war between both groups? If so, did he do what he did for the sake of protecting the mortals he didn't care about or to prevent having to choose between two groups which both saw him as an equal?

What if the Golden City, which may or may not be Arlathan, was simply used as a prison for Fen'Harel's former comrades? Then, in an act of balance, the Forgotten Gods/Old Gods, which could technically have been 'merely' physical gods in the form of High Dragons or preferred to assume this form, were used as the seal on the Golden City?

If you'd look at it, it would be the perfect setup: At one end you have the group of spiritual gods trapped inside a city within the dream world, and at the other you have the psysical gods not only eternally slumbering underground, far away from civilzation, but also acting as the living seal keeping the other gods trapped. Sure, everyone is mad, but Fen'Harel would be safe and the mortal lands protected. That is, however, until the Old God Duman contacted what would become the first Imperial Archon (blood) magic while in the fade eventually and instructed them to invade the Golden City...

Why? Either as a means of still having their way with the Elven Gods or perhaps thinking that having the Magisters break or bypass the seal would also cause them to awake or something. Whatever happened, they apparenly did not succeed nor were they probably able to reach the heart of the then Golden City. What we do know is that that is when the city turned black. Who or what actually kicked threw them down from there, could be anyone's guess, but once again Fen'Harel, is the likely suspect. As the only free god at that moment, he would surely be powerful enough to claim to be "the Maker". Why they were cursed with the blight I do no know, but I'll get back to that later on.

Somehow, the former Tevinter Magisters had become Darkspawn, ghoulish abominations attracted to the calling - or song - of the sleeping Old Gods. They eventually reach the Old God known as Dumat and the first Blight begins. Blablabla, known history and the newly formed Grey Wardens eventually end this Blight at Battle of the Silent Plains. 

Now there is a cycle: The Darkspawn keep looking for the slumbering Old God, either awaken and corrupt it, the Archdemon and the Darkspawn start a Blight and eventually they are killed by the inhabitants of Thedas. Result: one Old God less and the seal on the now Black City weakens. Back to the nature of the blight: it would seem counterproductive for Fen'Harel, aka "The Maker", to indeed curse the magister lords with something such as this. It is more likely to be the result of the Magisters connection to the Old Gods/Dumat or perhaps a desperate attempt by the Elven Gods to be sure of their eventual freedom. There are too much possibilities here, so onwards to the next section.

About two centuries later, Andraste happens and the Chantry is made. This would likely mean that the Chantry is merely a means to an end of Fen'Harel's (as in keeping the mages under control, make sure nobody tries to enter the Black City again).

Now, if we skip to the time of Origins and try to look what became of the Fen'Harel or the Maker, we discover that there is only one character who truly knows more of the Darkspawn and the Old Gods than we do, one who may be just as manipulative as Fen'Harel. No, not Morrigan, she is only as manipulative (although she does know more than us). 'Tis her 'mother', Flemeth. If one were to accept all I wrote above as fact, her actions and motives suddenly become a whole lot clearer: the whole "Dark Ritual", of which none other than a god could know, now suddenly has become a way to make the Old God doesn't die and make sure that the seal does not weaken. Not just for her own sake (survival), but for the entire world.

Then there's the case Flemeth meeting Maric, telling him that Loghain would eventually betray him if he kept him close, and making him promise her something. The promise is more likely than not allowing the Grey Wardens to return to Ferelden. What she told him about Loghain might have been the first in a large chain of events that led to Loghain's betrayal at Ostagar. Nope, no crazy "OMG Maric impregnated Flemeth, Alistair and Morrigan are half-siblings!" theory here, as the rest of my speculation is crazy enough.

Also, if Flemeth is indeed the Maker (and Fen'Harel), Leliana's vision from the Maker might make more sense in that the old Witch of the Wilds merely set her daughter up to have another traveling companion. Just in case, probably.

To focus on lovely Morrigan for a moment: it may be noteworthy how she transforms into wolf after denying to go along with the Dark Ritual, while Fen'Harel is known as the Dread Wolf. Nothing major, but it might be a slight hint for what may yet be revealed.

Morrigan might have other plans for the child, however, though what those may be remains to be seen. The whole "soul transfer to another body" might eventually lead to either taking over the child and thus the Old God's soul, thus becoming part of the seal.

I'm sure that the Architect fits in somewhere as well, but will be a tale for another day. For now, allow me to end this session of Kaiser's Wild Mass Guessing. Until we meet again!

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 19 juillet 2010 - 04:21 .

[Arttis]

Morrigan still does the ritual even though she knows her mother is an enemy.So that might mean there is a purpose that can benefit anyone not just flemeth.

[captain.subtle]

Arttis wrote...

Morrigan still does the ritual even though she knows her mother is an enemy.So that might mean there is a purpose that can benefit anyone not just flemeth.

true. I can't believe that the sole reason for getting an Old God is to preserve some Old Custom... What NExt??? She will want preservation for Darkspawn!!

[iguanas]

hmmm if this is true...then i smell a new downloadable content for dragon age origins where u might go on a quest where u help the dalish find arlathan...but thats just a guess

[captain.subtle]

i doubt this is DLC stuff... It will be an entire game...