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[Ceceque]

A quick thought about the motives of Elven/Human conflicts:

Pick any of the 3 choices how humans come to the world, my theory should fit all.



Elven gods did interact with elves, but human gods did not interact with humans.

Elves were changeless, but humans were not.

Elves had an awesome center-of-the-world city, but human were not.



Despite all these facts humans might have felt superior to elves, because a human elf couple always has a human child, and they even might have known where thy came from (be it evolve from Elves, or being created by them). But Elves were highly superior to humans regarding culture and society. So humans, powered by jealousy, tried to get to their level. They eventually succeeded in all their tasks. They sunk Arlathan, they got into the golden city, to get "familiar" with the old gods, and they became immortal(I really like the theory that darkspawn are ageless, and that Tevinter magisters got their immortality in exchange for their souls and free will).

[SirShreK]

Still-alive!

[Yaskaleh]

That Flemeth would be the Dread wolf sounds oddly plausible. Morrigan did say that Flemmeth wasn't a normal abomination, that she wasn't even human. Something much worse.

[Ibelis]

The Fade and Thedas are two entirely diffrent realms of exsistence, what you do in one does not effect the reality of the other.

The Black City was the Maker's seat, The Black city is in the fade, Arlathan was the Elven Capital, Arlathan is in Thedas. Besides that fact, Elves are flesh and blood while everything that lives in the fade is incoporeal and given life by thought.

The only realistic theory in this thread is Flemeth being Fen' Harel but even I dont think she represents much in the way of trickery. To me the Elven gods are nothing more that powerful spirits, the only true god is the Maker.

[Yaskaleh]

Human and Chantry propaganda and lies. The imaginairy being called the "Maker" is just the construct of feeble human minds. Everything humanity in Thedas creates is dark and contagious. Brings only death and misery.

[Maconbar]

Ibelis wrote...

The Fade and Thedas are two entirely diffrent realms of exsistence, what you do in one does not effect the reality of the other.
The Black City was the Maker's seat, The Black city is in the fade, Arlathan was the Elven Capital, Arlathan is in Thedas. Besides that fact, Elves are flesh and blood while everything that lives in the fade is incoporeal and given life by thought.
The only realistic theory in this thread is Flemeth being Fen' Harel but even I dont think she represents much in the way of trickery. To me the Elven gods are nothing more that powerful spirits, the only true god is the Maker.

We don't know that the Black City is actually in the Fade. We just know that it is visible when in the Fade. I think that we also know that the Black City is not accessible from the Fade.

[SirShreK]

Ibelis wrote...

The Fade and Thedas are two entirely diffrent realms of exsistence, what you do in one does not effect the reality of the other.

This is not entirely right. Veil is a Hypothetical barrier keeping the two realms apart. It can tear to let one into the other.

The Black City was the Maker's seat, The Black city is in the fade, Arlathan was the Elven Capital, Arlathan is in Thedas. Besides that fact, Elves are flesh and blood while everything that lives in the fade is incoporeal and given life by thought.
The only realistic theory in this thread is Flemeth being Fen' Harel but even I dont think she represents much in the way of trickery. To me the Elven gods are nothing more that powerful spirits, the only true god is the Maker.

Pardon me, but I doubt Arlathan is somehwere ON Thedas anymore. Under perhaps.... But youa re right. Golden City and Arlathan did coexist. I was trying to point out that the Golden city was possibly a Fade reflection of Arlathan.

[Ibelis]

SirShreK wrote...

Ibelis wrote...

The Fade and Thedas are two entirely diffrent realms of exsistence, what you do in one does not effect the reality of the other.

This is not entirely right. Veil is a Hypothetical barrier keeping the two realms apart. It can tear to let one into the other.

The Black City was the Maker's seat, The Black city is in the fade, Arlathan was the Elven Capital, Arlathan is in Thedas. Besides that fact, Elves are flesh and blood while everything that lives in the fade is incoporeal and given life by thought.
The only realistic theory in this thread is Flemeth being Fen' Harel but even I dont think she represents much in the way of trickery. To me the Elven gods are nothing more that powerful spirits, the only true god is the Maker.

Pardon me, but I doubt Arlathan is somehwere ON Thedas anymore. Under perhaps.... But youa re right. Golden City and Arlathan did coexist. I was trying to point out that the Golden city was possibly a Fade reflection of Arlathan.

Im sorry, I just can't agree with the idea that arlathan is a "reflection" of the golden city just doesnt make much sense to me. But I added my two cents, maybe someone else has something intresting to add.

Modifié par Ibelis, 30 septembre 2010 - 05:38 .

[Brockololly]

I'll indulge in some crazy baseless speculation here: Maybe Arlathan disappeared because the Elves basically used the Eluvian type technology to just up and take the whole city some place else? Now maybe that someplace else is the Fade- kind of how the Baroness uprooted Blackmarsh? So maybe in the process of uprooting all Arlathan, the city was tainted as it sort of settled in the Fade and became the Black City?

Or maybe when Arlathan disappeared or was sunken by the Tevinters, it actually went to the Mirror World, so the place where Morrigan, the Old God baby and possibly the Warden are headed at the end of Witch Hunt is actually Arlathan preserved in the Mirror World?

[darkiddd]

Brockololly wrote...

I'll indulge in some crazy baseless speculation here: Maybe Arlathan disappeared because the Elves basically used the Eluvian type technology to just up and take the whole city some place else? Now maybe that someplace else is the Fade- kind of how the Baroness uprooted Blackmarsh? So maybe in the process of uprooting all Arlathan, the city was tainted as it sort of settled in the Fade and became the Black City?
Or maybe when Arlathan disappeared or was sunken by the Tevinters, it actually went to the Mirror World, so the place where Morrigan, the Old God baby and possibly the Warden are headed at the end of Witch Hunt is actually Arlathan preserved in the Mirror World?

That's a very interesting theory, I have thought that Arlathan and the Black city had some type of connection, but I hadn't thought of them as being the same city moved to the fade just as the blackmarsh was.

[SirShreK]

darkiddd wrote...

Brockololly wrote...

I'll indulge in some crazy baseless speculation here: Maybe Arlathan disappeared because the Elves basically used the Eluvian type technology to just up and take the whole city some place else? Now maybe that someplace else is the Fade- kind of how the Baroness uprooted Blackmarsh? So maybe in the process of uprooting all Arlathan, the city was tainted as it sort of settled in the Fade and became the Black City?
Or maybe when Arlathan disappeared or was sunken by the Tevinters, it actually went to the Mirror World, so the place where Morrigan, the Old God baby and possibly the Warden are headed at the end of Witch Hunt is actually Arlathan preserved in the Mirror World?

That's a very interesting theory, I have thought that Arlathan and the Black city had some type of connection, but I hadn't thought of them as being the same city moved to the fade just as the blackmarsh was.

And in fact it is not so....

David mentioned in his post that People knew of Golden city being in existance even during the time of Arlathan. And of course, It was Golden.

[SirShreK]

Here you go:



http://social.biowar...508455/3#509837

[Brockololly]

SirShreK wrote...

Here you go:

http://social.biowar...508455/3#509837

Without DA Central I am lost at finding old developer quotes now

[Archon Aedan]

I agree with the theory, it is definitely possible. The Elves could have seen Arlathan as the geographic center of Thedas, the center of their culture, of their very existence, perhaps even the center of the Fade. But then how do we explain the Elvish/Tevinter ruins in the Brecillian forest, where the Elder elves came to enter Uthenera. And the other ruins ALSO of Tevinter and Elven origin near the Dalish camp(Elf Origins). My theory is that before the fall of Arlathan, the Tevinters built buildings for the Elves as a form of diplomatic gesture. (to confirm my speculation, Morrigan mentioned that the ruins in the Brecillian forest was of Tevinter make, but were filled with the trappings of Elves. And the origins story mentioned the same). Or could it have been that the Tevinters merely copied the Architecture of Arlathan? The spirit in the "Spirit Gem" mentioned something about humans and elves fleeing a great evil. But what I do not understand is, how the Eluvian fits in to this. Definitely something interesting to ponder. Aah the deep history of our beloved Thedas, just wish the game elaborated more on the Tevinters, as they are what brought this realm to the brink of extinction.

[Blacklash93]

The elves and humans were living peacefully together according to the gem spirit. I think that would mean more than a diplomatic move, but I'm not sure. Then a "terrifying presence" came in slaughtering everyone, which I assume is what weakened the Veil in the forest.

The elder tree also mentions that the elves planted the Brecilian Forest, if that may mean anything.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 01 janvier 2011 - 11:24 .