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[M1tt3ns]

At least I'm being honest. I am bringing back a dead thread, but I haven't yet had a chance to discuss it, and I would like to with some folks with the same opinion as me, and others who feel differently.

There has been a lot of talk about romance DLC among fans like me who were overjoyed at the idea of a romancable Tali, but very unhappy we couldn't experience it with our primary or in my case, only character. Lots of people are having to make new characters just to get the romance they want... and it's frustrating. Not wanting to restate the same argument everyone's made, I'd just like to make some brief and compelling points towards my own feelings on the matter and offer some solutions.

Firstly to drive home a point, strict sexuality for characters will ONLY generate negative play experiences where none were needed. It may create more depth according to some people (though I'll contest that point of view in a moment), but what enjoyment that depth brings is highly overshadowed by the frustration of not being able to pursue a romance you would like to see unfold. That is the only possible outcome is that people will be annoyed. Especially when your love interest from the last game is now threatening to flay people alive and your only other romance option is gonna give you scale itch (We all know it was you, Kelly.)

As I promised a moment ago I'd like to address the people who feel strict sexuality deepens a character or a reality. People with differing sexual preferences more often than not act just like other people. To be able to easily say 'This character must be straight because of the way she acts' is not only a horrible assumption to make, it's also an extremely insulting one. If anything, the option to have an alternative sexual preference adds a new dimension to a character. Now to be fair it doesn't seem that such a huge number of people in a single ship would be bisexual... which brings me to my next point.

The best way to impliment something like this is to make the Player Character express interest, then lock out further relationships after. It's not rocket science. With the rest of the crew acting the same the potential for other sexuality isn't there. In fact the point could even be stated in divergent dialogue options after the player has set a romance into motion.

Or you know... say DLC where people can choose which characters they would like to be options...

The logic in the argument against is flawed. It's saying that 'we can't enjoy our game unless you can't enjoy your's'. No one is forcing anyone to pursue homosexual relationships in Mass Effect, and if all the option to begin one rests on the Player Character's shoulders it's no different than any other decision made in the game. The option left unused simply never happened. If you don't want Tali to be bisexual or lesbian in your story, the solution is simple. Don't play a female and make the choice to try to initiate a relationship with Tali. Prior to doing that, she's as likely straight. There, problem solved. There is no set canonical story. To me, my story is canon, to you, your's is. Mass Effect is a story made for you and you alone, that's why everyone has a different one and makes different choices in the game. By that same logic why should two people's Tali's have to be identical? Why can she not be sexually inexperienced and open to experimenting in one person's game and a product of a culture that likely discourages homosexuality to better maintain population in another?

For every argument against, there's an argument for, but when it comes right down to the core of it, only one side generates a negative play experience for the players who disagree. My game is for my enjoyment, and your game is for your's. Simple as that.

Modifié par M1tt3ns, 17 juillet 2010 - 01:34 .

[Nerdage]

I was thinking about this a while ago, do you think it would be better if you could try and start a romance with any companion regardless of your PC's gender, but not all of them would agree? I'd agree that being able to engage in whatever romace you want would be more satisfying, but at least if they gave you the chance to try it wouldn't stop you playing your character however you want, as happens at the moment. So you would have one of those "I'm interested" choices for any companion after so many conversations so, even if they beat you away with a stick, it allows you to establish your character as who you want them to be.

Although, to steal a relevant quote from the DA2 forum:

David Gaider wrote...

Well, how about this then: we're very aware of the desires of our fans when it comes to romances, whether they be homosexual or otherwise. Being able to include any kind of content that's really only useable by a relatively small percentage of the player base is often problematic-- it's not an issue of "want to" but rather "able to". There's also the issue of where you put the resources you have-- adding content for extra player options is great, but if they're options that many players will not use or event want to use it's not necessarily the best use of those resources. I can't really fault a decision to provide more options for a greater amount of players as opposed to less options for everyone.

There's a fallacy at work among people who come to these forums that romances, once they're included in a game, become a right-- that if we have romances they must be allocated "fairly" or it's disciminatory. But you don't have a right to romances in a game-- any more than you have a right to free worship or to be an elf. It's a difficult issue to discuss, because we don't look on it as an issue of fairness. It's content, like any other sort of content, and we'll only ever be able to include a limited amount of it so we have to make the best of it we can, and we're always going to try and be inclusive of as many of our players' desires are we can.

Different team, but I imagine they face the same problem.

[angj57]

M1tt3ns wrote...

For every argument against, there's an argument for, but when it comes right down to the core of it, only one side generates a negative play experience for the players who disagree. My game is for my enjoyment, and your game is for your's. Simple as that.

I agree with you. My only caveot would be that Bioware would have to write delicately. Making characters potentially bi should NOT mean they all act like Zeveran from Dragon Age. Otherwise you could end up in a situation where nearly the entire crew is flirting with the character and Normandy would start to feel more like a flying sorority mixer and less like a professional warship.

[M1tt3ns]

As I said, DLC is a wonderful solution. You can grab the pack for the character you would like to try romance with and no one who did not want to experience that content would have to. I don't understand why my experience with the game should be lesser than someone else's based on a very whimsical decision that would have no effect on anyone else's experience with the game. Then Bioware gets some money from all of us. Really sounds like win/win/win to me.

But yes, I don't think that the characters need act any differently, and it's better if they don't. But I feel like any character who is a potential romance should be openly available to whomever chooses to try.

Again in regards to loyalty to a character's integrity, they don't need to act differently, and in those games where someone doesn't pursue that relationship the character (or doesn't download that DLC) the character is straight to them.

To me romance is a very big part of Bioware games as well as just about any story. It doesn't feel right to rob me of that part of the story based upon the (obviously false) assumption that bisexual or homosexual people would act differently than straight people.

[Lumikki]

It's not that simple.



Romance is option to players who likes it. How ever, it also takes resources from developers to do that romance content. Meaning it will affect games general content as redusing it. This is like if You have 50€ of money and go shoping with it. You can buy doll with it, but if you do buy it, you have less money to buy something else.



Point here is how many players really care romance opitions in Mass Effects and how many do not? If the group of who care is smaller enough there isn't really point to waste resources for special content for them. Other hand if enough players likes it, then why not.



I my self would be more like in opinion, remove all romance options and consenrate making better and longer main story.

[angj57]

Lumikki wrote...

I my self would be more like in opinion, remove all romance options and consenrate making better and longer main story.

There were a ton of complaints on the Dragon Age Awakening forums because they didn't do any romances in that. Besides, character development is critical to a good story, and that means writing dialogue trees for the characters, and if you are going to do that anyway then it isn't that much harder to add romance options. It's not exactly the same as going shopping, because you have some people who are writing dialogue, and they aren't going to be the same people who are, for example, balancing the vehicles or doing graphic design for the levels, so there is not a trade off between romances and these other game play aspects.

Modifié par angj57, 17 juillet 2010 - 04:01 .

[Nerdage]

M1tt3ns wrote...

As I said, DLC is a wonderful solution. You can grab the pack for the character you would like to try romance with and no one who did not want to experience that content would have to. I don't understand why my experience with the game should be lesser than someone else's based on a very whimsical decision that would have no effect on anyone else's experience with the game. Then Bioware gets some money from all of us. Really sounds like win/win/win to me.

But yes, I don't think that the characters need act any differently, and it's better if they don't. But I feel like any character who is a potential romance should be openly available to whomever chooses to try.

Again in regards to loyalty to a character's integrity, they don't need to act differently, and in those games where someone doesn't pursue that relationship the character (or doesn't download that DLC) the character is straight to them.

To me romance is a very big part of Bioware games as well as just about any story. It doesn't feel right to rob me of that part of the story based upon the (obviously false) assumption that bisexual or homosexual people would act differently than straight people.

Therein lies the problem, I guess. To make something worth doing the majority of players should be able to see it, ideally without having to replay the game, since they can't assume that everyone will be willing to play the game multiple times to exprience content they've already paid for but might have missed. Though I don't know how they decided which characters were viable romances and under what circumstances.

As for DLC, it sounds reasonable but it could easily be considered holding character development 'for ransom', and again if only a small percentage of players buy it then it still might not be worth making anyway.

[Wittand25]

nerdage wrote...
Therein lies the problem, I guess. To make something worth doing the majority of players should be able to see it, ideally without having to replay the game, since they can't assume that everyone will be willing to play the game multiple times to exprience content they've already paid for but might have missed. Though I don't know how they decided which characters were viable romances and under what circumstances.

As for DLC, it sounds reasonable but it could easily be considered holding character development 'for ransom', and again if only a small percentage of players buy it then it still might not be worth making anyway.

A DLC that just allows a same-sex romance with a companion would be bad business either way either they make it free and no profit or they charge for it run the risk of offending people and generate bad press and also make little to no profit.
A better way to do such a DLC would be as part of another bigger DLC, that can also be accesed post endgame. I posted this suggestion for Jacob in the Fight for the love thread, but it also works for other characters:
Make a DLC that starts with Shepard talking to an companion, which leads to that companion remembering an episode from his/her past like Jacob´s time as corsair or some mission Tali did for the flotilla, you now control that squadmate and play through their memories similar to Lelianna´s song for DA:O. The same sex romance would just be an addition not the main selling point of the DLC, just an additional bonus so it would be ok to charge for the DLC.
Such a DLC would have enough new content to appeal to a big portion of the player base, could be made with reasonable expenses and could actually be profitable for Bioware

[darth_lopez]

Wittand25 wrote...

nerdage wrote...
Therein lies the problem, I guess. To make something worth doing the majority of players should be able to see it, ideally without having to replay the game, since they can't assume that everyone will be willing to play the game multiple times to exprience content they've already paid for but might have missed. Though I don't know how they decided which characters were viable romances and under what circumstances.

As for DLC, it sounds reasonable but it could easily be considered holding character development 'for ransom', and again if only a small percentage of players buy it then it still might not be worth making anyway.

A DLC that just allows a same-sex romance with a companion would be bad business either way either they make it free and no profit or they charge for it run the risk of offending people and generate bad press and also make little to no profit.
A better way to do such a DLC would be as part of another bigger DLC, that can also be accesed post endgame. I posted this suggestion for Jacob in the Fight for the love thread, but it also works for other characters:
Make a DLC that starts with Shepard talking to an companion, which leads to that companion remembering an episode from his/her past like Jacob´s time as corsair or some mission Tali did for the flotilla, you now control that squadmate and play through their memories similar to Lelianna´s song for DA:O. The same sex romance would just be an addition not the main selling point of the DLC, just an additional bonus so it would be ok to charge for the DLC.
Such a DLC would have enough new content to appeal to a big portion of the player base, could be made with reasonable expenses and could actually be profitable for Bioware

it would also be nice if they just added extra dialogue after end game for squad mates...things get pretty stale even with a few more missions....i mean serioiusly do people just stop being interesting after the main plot stops or something? no the answer is no. need more dialogue ...-.@ 

but yes interesting idea and i would love that because it would make a femshep playable again. 

[asaiasai]

Alot of the objections are nonsence, i is not that hard to modify a line of dialog from a male perspective to a female perspective which for the most part just requires he changed to she, or vice versa. Plus all that would be required is for the specific VA to read one additional line of dialog takeing into account the particular perspective of the situation. Also since the cut scenes take into account what the particular Shep character is wearing just before they are played this tells me that they are just taking a "snapshot" of the Shepard character before the cut scene plays, inserting that "snapshot into an already rendered cut scene, there is no additional graphic work required to produce that same scene with a different Shepard model. So the arguments as to how expensive it would be are just assinine, misdirection from the real reason why Bioware has decided only on straight romance options.



The choice of Bioware to dodge any and all moral outrage by narrow minded people who seem to be of the mindset that anyone who differs from "thier" accepted view point on life are wrong, is the only fathomable reason that makes any sense at all as to why same sex romances are not avaliable.



Asai

[Wittand25]

asaiasai wrote...

Alot of the objections are nonsence, i is not that hard to modify a line of dialog from a male perspective to a female perspective which for the most part just requires he changed to she, or vice versa. Plus all that would be required is for the specific VA to read one additional line of dialog takeing into account the particular perspective of the situation. Also since the cut scenes take into account what the particular Shep character is wearing just before they are played this tells me that they are just taking a "snapshot" of the Shepard character before the cut scene plays, inserting that "snapshot into an already rendered cut scene, there is no additional graphic work required to produce that same scene with a different Shepard model. So the arguments as to how expensive it would be are just assinine, misdirection from the real reason why Bioware has decided only on straight romance options.

That is not true for several reasons.
First having one (in truth it would be one per language) voice-actor back to just record a single line is incredible expensive and wasteful , so unless the lines are recorded but not used for a reason the only way that recording those extras lines is when they also record more dialog for something else.
Second just changing the pronoun is in many chases a bad way to switch a romance from straight to gay, at the very least you also have to change gender specific adjectives (replace beautiful with handsome and similar)
Third not all of the cut-scenes work Tali,Jacob and Jack are fine because there is little actual body-contact between Shepard and the LI, but the modded version of Miranda (it looks like she want to break FSheps spine),Thane(Shepard licks Thanes nose) and Garrus(worst headache ever) look ridiculous because of the different heights of both Shepards and would need to be remodeled.

[asaiasai]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

asaiasai wrote...
The choice of Bioware to dodge any and all moral outrage by narrow minded people who seem to be of the mindset that anyone who differs from "thier" accepted view point on life are wrong, is the only fathomable reason that makes any sense at all as to why same sex romances are not avaliable.
Asai

You're reason that you offered for Bioware not putting same sex romances in the game, may be a bit more believable if all of Bioware products didn't contain any same sex romances, but they do.  That seems to invalidate you're point.  If they were in fact doing what you say, then they would have "dodged any and all moral outrage by narrow minded people", and not put same sex romance in Dragon Age, wouldn't they? 

While technically true that same sex romances were avalable in DAO there was no female warden/Morrigan romance neither was there an option for a male warden/Allistair romance. My original point still stands that in DAO with a mod that changes a few lines of script it is possible to have those formerly prohibited romance options avalable, and there was no graphics modification necessary hence no extra expense. So why were those 2 characters not avalable as romance options on release of the game which required the mod community to "fix" the oversite? Maybe the VAs are homophobic, or have strong moral objections to same sex romances as has been suggested in earlier threads? The same points can be made for ME2. Why is it such an issue for the developers to open up romance options for Shepards of either sex? Romance options have little or no impact on the plot line, as such who a player chooses to romance in a single player experience has little bearing on game play, other than providing the player another immersive factor in a sadly lacking ME universe. And since i clearly established that there is very little extra work required to make a same sex romance cut scene or at the most 10 additional lines of dialog to be recorded (one for each romance interest in ME) the only conclusion one can draw is the most obvious. A horse is a horse until you see its stripes.

No it all boils back down to who is the intended audience for either title, and the fear of alienating the intended audience that is the only criteria behind this decision.  Unless someone can offer something reasonable to counter my argument, it still stands.

Asai

[Wittand25]

Alistair and Morrigan are straight, that is pretty obvious by their interaction with the warden and by their interactions with other NPCs. So not having a homosexual romance makes sense and considering there are alternatives for gay and lesbian wardens ther is no need for them to be bisexual too. That is OK because not everyone needs to be romanceable by everyone else.
Also just because the Warden is male(female) Alistair (Morigan) don't simply stop talking to him(her) because they are not sexually interested in them like the ME2 LI do, who are only willing to talk with Shepard if it will lead to sex (no matter if said sex can potentially be lethal for both).The main problem with ME2 and its romances is that most of the LIs threat Shepard the same way regardless of sex before the romance trigger happens at which point they will stop talking with Shepard unless s/he has the right sex and shows willingness to have intercourse with them.

Modifié par Wittand25, 17 juillet 2010 - 09:47 .

[Collider]

Jack and Femshep

Miranda and Femshep

IDK

[darth_lopez]

you know i'm glad someone pulled maybe the characters are heterosexual because why does Morrigan HAVE to be lesbian if i'm a female character? and furthermore don't we see that by personality Leliana is BI? or did i interpret her relationship with Marjo~ (can't remember how to spell name) as something more than it was. It was also established that Zehvran is a sex addict by personality. Wynne was simpy too old a Golem has no gender Sten hates all life. and Alistair afraid of even coutring a girl much less a guy maybe he's closetly gay and comes out sometime after the story is completed? idk



the characters in DAO and ME all have their own distinct Personalities. this can't be denied. If they won't bang you so you can watch a five second cinematic deal with it.



Don't get me wrong i'm a tali-fan boy and i'd love to see tali and femshep simply for tali-fanboy/only romance i do in the game enjoyment but do you really need to make her a lesbian and destroy whatever sense of sexuality she has already simply because you're a female character?



every character is distinct it's not necessarily BW trying to evade it. they've done it numerous times and have killed children in their games i don't think they care.

[catabuca]

nerdage wrote...

I was thinking about this a while ago, do you think it would be better if you could try and start a romance with any companion regardless of your PC's gender, but not all of them would agree? I'd agree that being able to engage in whatever romace you want would be more satisfying, but at least if they gave you the chance to try it wouldn't stop you playing your character however you want, as happens at the moment. So you would have one of those "I'm interested" choices for any companion after so many conversations so, even if they beat you away with a stick, it allows you to establish your character as who you want them to be.

Although, to steal a relevant quote from the DA2 forum:

David Gaider wrote...

Well, how about this then: we're very aware of the desires of our fans when it comes to romances, whether they be homosexual or otherwise. Being able to include any kind of content that's really only useable by a relatively small percentage of the player base is often problematic-- it's not an issue of "want to" but rather "able to". There's also the issue of where you put the resources you have-- adding content for extra player options is great, but if they're options that many players will not use or event want to use it's not necessarily the best use of those resources. I can't really fault a decision to provide more options for a greater amount of players as opposed to less options for everyone.

There's a fallacy at work among people who come to these forums that romances, once they're included in a game, become a right-- that if we have romances they must be allocated "fairly" or it's disciminatory. But you don't have a right to romances in a game-- any more than you have a right to free worship or to be an elf. It's a difficult issue to discuss, because we don't look on it as an issue of fairness. It's content, like any other sort of content, and we'll only ever be able to include a limited amount of it so we have to make the best of it we can, and we're always going to try and be inclusive of as many of our players' desires are we can.

Different team, but I imagine they face the same problem.

This quote is all well and good (and I know it applies to DA, not ME), but when 2 extra romances are shoe-horned in because of some fan threads (Tali and Garrus), and the amount of heterosexual options is far wider than in the previous game, the argument about resources and time just doesn't wash.

[Cris Shepard]

To start off, i'd like to clarify that I have nothing against homosexuals, I just would prefer not to hear about or read about what they do in the bedroom. Now to the point I would like to make, being straight, I would be extremely grossed out if I saw an option in the dialogue wheel that suggests a relationship with another male character. It would make me cringe, I am being 100% honest, it might sound as though I am discriminating but seriously, it grosses me out. I have worked with gay people at my job, we were all friends, but if they started talking about their personal life, I had to walk away.

[catabuca]

Poor you. Would you like a lollipop?

[darth_lopez]

Cris Shepard wrote...

To start off, i'd like to clarify that I have nothing against homosexuals, I just would prefer not to hear about or read about what they do in the bedroom. Now to the point I would like to make, being straight, I would be extremely grossed out if I saw an option in the dialogue wheel that suggests a relationship with another male character. It would make me cringe, I am being 100% honest, it might sound as though I am discriminating but seriously, it grosses me out. I have worked with gay people at my job, we were all friends, but if they started talking about their personal life, I had to walk away.

not to troll but if your friend is getting married to his boyfriend you wouldn't care or even want to hear about it? kinda sad. Hard to say you are actually friends at that point... unless you mean friend as casual person i met on the street yesterday. I hope your friends walk away when you're trying to talk to them about stuff important to you too. 

on the topic of Grossing you out I'm very very afraid of blood to the point i will cower in fear if i get a minor cut. the important thing to remember is it's a video game everything in it is fake sure blood splats are creepy and awakward no matter the color but their a part of the game and you either accept it or you don't play. I didn't once actively oppose graphic blood splatter i asked for a gore button to reduce it but i never opposed it simply because it was gross creepy frightening down right unnatural because it is part of the game. and you sir should be relatively ashamed of yourself. 

 it's an M rated game it's that way for a reason Content can be Controversial and Gorry by categorization. 
Now at least with Romance options you can actively choose not to do it. Not like the blood splatters.
 

[ZephSunstrider]

Delicate topic, some interesting answers, some stupid. Guess I'll add my two cents.



From a view of practicality, Bioware has limited resources, and since we all embrace a glorious and happy capitalist existence, the BW guys need to spend their resources as efficiently as possible, with only minor deviances. Meaning, adding in homosexual options in ME2 for the 2-5% of people that would actually enjoy it for various reasons might seem unreasonable, when they could use the same time to create a bunch of new missions for the frog tank, that 30-50% of the customers would enjoy.



From a personal view; I'm about as straight as can be, however I wouldn't mind the option. I'd never hit on a guy iRL, but, say... if you'd approach Jacob that way, and make him stumble over his words like Tali does when being hit on, just that this time it's guy-on-guy and he was prepared for everything but THAT... hell, I'd do it just for shiz-n-giggles.



From a canon-view; Regarding the DA characters, they were pretty solidly defined. Morrigan was designed to be straight, Alistair was designed to be shy and inexperienced. Even in today's society, homosexuality is uncommon. It ain't rare, but still... count how many straight people you know, and compare to how many gay people you know.

I suppose with the development humanity would make till the mid-2180s, they'd get more open-minded on this topic, but I'm fairly sure that it would still be uncommon. But hey, look at what we have; We have 3 romance options for straight people of each gender, and one (two if you count the Justicar) for the bisexuals. That would make (statistically) a 1:3 ratio.



BioWare already listens a lot to their customers, but don't expect them to make every character bisexual. They want to tell a story, and that story doesn't involve most living beings being bisexual.



It all boils down to wishful thinking. I wish I'd have a heavy autocannon in the game that blows people's limbs off. Others want more vehicles. Others want more bisexual. It's BW's game, it's mostly their rules. Saying they're homophobic is a little over-the-top. Maybe you're heterophobic?

[angj57]

ZephSunstrider wrote...

It all boils down to wishful thinking. I wish I'd have a heavy autocannon in the game that blows people's limbs off. Others want more vehicles. Others want more bisexual.

You do have a point. To make a counterpoint though, from a business perspective, you aren't going to every buy or not buy the next Bioware game because the last one did or didn't have an autocannon. There are people, however, even if they are a minority, who might buy or not buy future bioware games based on whether or not they give options to homosexuals. If we are looking at this from a pure business perspective, then it's not necessarily about what people enjoy, but what will/won't make them purchasing customers.

Of course, this cuts both ways. There are intolerant people out there (those who are okay with having sex with aliens but are offended by sex with people of the same gender) who might choose to not purchase a game because of homosexual options. It's hard to tell which crowd is bigger.

There is also the fact that game design has an artistic element and not just a business one. Any designer who designs games purely from a business perspective is not going to make very engaging games. So even if we can prove one way or another is better from a business perspective (which we can't), they can do whatever they want anyway. Still, it doesn't hurt to have people who care about the issue to lobby for it.

Modifié par angj57, 17 juillet 2010 - 11:08 .

[M1tt3ns]

To those who defend by saying there's a limiting of funds, or the work would not be worth the reward:

By percentage, how much more money do you really think would be required? In the grand scheme of the game it's a tiny percentage. As DLC it would require less man-hours than any of the packages we've recieved so far. 1 line for Liz Sroka and perhaps 9-12 for Jennifer Hale. There's people far more fanatic about this than me. The number (and content) of Tali fan-sites out there is shocking to say the least. The market is there, and there's a profit margin to be made.

I love Wittand25's idea of releasing an end-game content pack. I for one am reluctant to restart the game entirely to try some of the new DLC gear.


For the second time, to people who defend by saying the characters are clearly heterosexual:

Why? No Bioware game has a strict canon. All of our games are different. I understand the value people place upon a character's strict sexuality strengthening their integrity as a character... but the character it's self can change from game to game. For some people members of the team died during the Suicide Mission while others lived. If characters die in your game does that make them canonically dead in mine? No, not at all. Same goes for sexuality. Because a character has a different sexual preference in my game, does that mean they do in your's? No. Each person's game is an alternative canon. Garrus could easily be straight in my game's canon and gay in your's.

Furthermore it's an offensive stereotype to assume that a homosexual or bisexual character would act any differently than a straight one

Lastly, this story is for the players, about Shepard. Ultimately it's for our enjoyment and for the pride of the designers. That in mind, why should some players get the full enjoyment they would like while others cannot... especially when their enjoyment is not mutually exclusive.

To Cris Shepard:

Every time you have a conversation with a guy in real life you have the  [lean in for a kiss] option in your dialogue wheel. You just choose not to do it. This is no different.

To Zeph Sunstrider:

I feel I should point out that after coding that initial male romance, the other version of it takes far less work. A bit more, but it's a small price to pay to make everyone happy instead of most people.

Part of my quarrel might be that ME2 was significantly less fun than ME, or most other Bioware games for a number of reasons, one of which was that there was no romance for me. That is one thing that has always made Bioware games stand apart from the flock for me, and I enjoy that angle. I basically got shafted with a new combat system I didn't like and no hope of any romance, and especially when the romance I'd been so excited about before purchasing the game was not available to me.

Modifié par M1tt3ns, 18 juillet 2010 - 04:34 .

[Christmas Ape]

Cris Shepard wrote...

To start off, i'd like to clarify that I have nothing against homosexuals, I just would prefer not to hear about or read about what they do in the bedroom. Now to the point I would like to make, being straight, I would be extremely grossed out if I saw an option in the dialogue wheel that suggests a relationship with another male character. It would make me cringe, I am being 100% honest, it might sound as though I am discriminating but seriously, it grosses me out. I have worked with gay people at my job, we were all friends, but if they started talking about their personal life, I had to walk away.

That's nice, but "I'm homophobic" basically means "stop listening to me, my reasoning isn't valid".
And to clarify for your reference, "the thought repulses me so badly I have to leave the room" is in fact "something against homosexuals". That you elect to swallow your bile and treat them like they're also human beings is (I guess) commendable. They're probably just as uninterested in hearing about your heterosexual escapades, though.