71 réponses à ce sujet

[PraetorianGuard]

Mass Effect 3: Drama in Space





Who needs guns?

[staldore13]

NO

and it has nothing to do with homosexuals i have nothing against them i even support homosexual relationships in ME3

but you cant change a predefined character

she didnt show an interest in ME2 and beside the whole interspecies relationship thing she isnt very open minded

just let it be

[Anezay]

And now, an explanation, with math:
According to Edi, there are twenty-four regular crew on the Normandy. Because this includes you, Miranda, and Jacob, if you recruit everyone, including DLC characters, you can have a maximum of thirty-four crew on the Normandy SR2. Normandy SR1 was smaller, but had a higher population density, so we'll assume that it has the same crew as the SR2, just for argument.
Now, according to Wikipedia:
2008: CNN exit polling showed self-identified gay, lesbian, and bisexual voters at 4% of the voting population in the United States presidential election, 2008.
The United States is the most populated nation listed, and that is the most recent statistic there. The other statistics seem to hover around there, with a few outliers. Let's assume that these figures are correct. Now, add the crew of the first Normandy to that of the second. You should have about sixty-eight. However, you, Joker, and Chakwas were on both, so subtract three to get sixty-five. Using the one-in-twenty-five statistic above, there would be 2.6 LGB crew on both Normandys. We know Kelly is bisexual. This leaves 1-2 possible more LGB crew on either Normandy. If you want to include Liara, that makes 2, for a remaining 0-1. If you eliminate Liara from the statistics, the chance for a LGB crew member drops slightly, but you still only have 1-2 left. Only fifteen of these remaining sixty-three (eliminating Kelly and Liara) are on your actual squad, with forty-eight non-squad crew left over. Odds are that the remaining homosexual/bisexual crew are background characters. My money is on the requisitions officer.
Edit: source: http://en.wikipedia....ual_orientation

Modifié par Anezay, 19 juillet 2010 - 04:19 .

[Inquisitor Recon]

And in a time of pre-birth genetic modification, your looking at much smaller percentages than that.

BTW Kelly doesn't count as bisexual, as her preference is anything with legs.

[Anezay]

ReconTeam wrote...

And in a time of pre-birth genetic modification, your looking at much smaller percentages than that.
BTW Kelly doesn't count as bisexual, as her preference is anything with legs.

Ah, yes, 'scale itch'.

[Poaches]

Exit polls seems like a flaky statistic to make any realistic estimate real occurring percentage of the population though. One could reason that the glbt are less likely to be registered voters based of perceived hostility from politics; and lets face it, we're not exactly in an age where self identifying as anything but straight is considered dignified.



That said, its straight math without any weight in rhetoric.



In other thoughts, Is nice to see talimancers ripping at each other throats; it brings such joy to my shriveled heart.

[MajorStranger]

ReconTeam wrote...

And in a time of pre-birth genetic modification, your looking at much smaller percentages than that.
BTW Kelly doesn't count as bisexual, as her preference is anything with legs.

That's omnisexual, like Captain Jack Harkness in Torchwood

[Anezay]

Poaches wrote...

Exit polls seems like a flaky statistic to make any realistic estimate real occurring percentage of the population though. One could reason that the glbt are less likely to be registered voters based of perceived hostility from politics; and lets face it, we're not exactly in an age where self identifying as anything but straight is considered dignified.

That said, its straight math without any weight in rhetoric.

In other thoughts, Is nice to see talimancers ripping at each other throats; it brings such joy to my shriveled heart.

Well, there's that. The point of it though is that it is highly likely that the small statistical number of lgbt members of your crew are the nameless folks that just sit at computers all day. Also, just because someone is gay, doesn't mean that they want to ride you all of the sudden. What, do you think that being attracted to the same sex makes you more likely to be a total ****? There are plenty of party members that are attracted to your gender, just not to you. If that wasn't true, I would have played femshep every time just to get with Wrex. Wrex is awesome.

[Poaches]

What statistical numbers? they have no weight in your argument, not until you can correlate that to real percentages in the population. All your statement established was 4% of exit voters polled by CNN in 1998 openly identify as glbt.

And really, using statistical averages is flawed, under no circumstances does the mean apply in all situations. You can make an educated guess of the average number of people in a large enough sample size; but in a measly crew size of 10-20 people it's pretty much up in the air. Plus, you're assuming your statistical averages transcends race, and species barriers.

Modifié par Poaches, 19 juillet 2010 - 05:40 .

[Anezay]

Poaches wrote...

What statistical numbers? they have no weight in your argument, not until you can correlate that to real percentages in the population. All your statement established was 4% of exit voters polled by CNN in 1998 openly identify as glbt.

And really, using statistical averages is flawed, under no circumstances does the mean apply in all situations. You can make an educated guess of the average number of people in a large enough sample size; but in a measly crew size of 10-20 people it's pretty much up in the air. Plus, you're assuming your statistical averages transcends race, and species barriers.

All true. It's all just guesses and way too much free time for my part, and is therefore completely unreliable. Although, I do believe that the LIs so far would have said so if they were attracted to you, regardless of gender. Tali has already been established as Heterosexual. Kasumi has not. More importantly, Wrex and Legion are still available, if you know what I mean.
On a side note, you're relatively awesome. These discussions all too often descend into flame wars, and you're expressing your disagreement while using valid points and good arguments. It's actually fun, rather than tiring.

[Poaches]

I think the people are arguing for tali/femshep addition because they perceive a similarly "suggestive" dialogue for both genders of shepards that ends abruptly for femsheps or something like that. I don't have the first hand experience to say anything about it though. We've no doubt, probably come to expect in every Bioware game that our "attractive" companions will inevitably throw themselves at the protagonist, as long as you pick the "good" choice every time, or something. It was never a realistic representation of relationships to begin with anyhow; but we all love our wish fulfillment storylines.



I think Tali's (or any squadmate left) already a lost cause as far as ME2's concerned, making a DLC out of something like this is just a lightning rod for drama.



I thought the forum goers used to say the old bioware forums was a mature community, ehh.. I blame consoles.

[zvbxrpl]

I support same-sex romances in the game, but I'm not sure how I feel about DLC, as opposed to their simply being present in Mass Effect 3.



I know a great deal of dialogue was recorded in ME1 specifically for this purpose and never used, and I've heard rumors about the same being true of ME2, specifically for Tali and Thane. If that's the case, then it shouldn't be difficult to implement.



However, I still am not 100% behind the OP's specific suggestion, for a couple of reasons.



First, the most glaring omission in the trilogy as far as romantic subplots goes is the fact that MaleShep doesn't have any options for a same-sex romance at all. Therefore, I would be more interested in DLC that gave him some options. (I'm rooting for Thane, but seeing as he was married, it would be easier for Bioware to have the subplot not be perceived as a retcon if they chose Garrus or Jacob).



Second, I think that Bioware is already pretty gunshy from the fracas over ME1 sex scenes--I mean, just look how laughably tame everything was in ME2. I really don't think they would release a romance DLC simply because of trepidation about releasing a game add-on that culminates in a sex scene, and has no shooty bits at all. Also, the fact is that, due to the preponderance of teenage boys in the demographics of gamerdom (admittedly, judging from the forums, there are a lot of female ME players), the public perception would be that this was HGOGA to titillate said teenage boys, however inaccurate that would turn out to be. The fact that it would be with Tali, whose fanbase is, to put it diplomatically, unabashed about the fact that they find her sexually appealing, would look even worse. Admittedly, the "Bad PR" argument is more of a reason why Bioware wouldn't do it than one why they shouldn't do it.



I think that if Bioware does reconsider the whole "no gay in space" outlook, which I hope they do, it's most likely that we'll just see some options in ME3 rather than any changes to current games.



TL;DR: I'd rather that, if BioWare were to add same-sex romance via DLC, they'd do it for MaleShep, whohasn't gotten any options other than hetero romances for two games running. Furthermore, there are a lot of PR reasons why Bioware wouldn't make a DLC specifically devoted to a romance between FemShep and Tali.

[catabuca]

Hi zvbxrpl,

Why not come join us in the Fight for the Love thread. It's the 'official' place we're discussing this stuff

[Axalphan]

I don't agree. Much has been said already. But everyone knows on what team he/she plays, why would those characters be any different. No matter how much you desire someone that doesn't mean they'll be interested in you, even less if they don't share your sexual preferences. I understand your frustration, but as in real life that doesn't mean someone will change just to please you.

Mass Effect is not romance in space.

So learn to deal with it, you'll feel better afterwards. Life is not as we always want it to be.

[Naltair]

catabuca wrote...

Hi zvbxrpl,
Why not come join us in the Fight for the Love thread. It's the 'official' place we're discussing this stuff

Yeah I thought there was a thread dedicated to this topic.

[zvbxrpl]

catabuca wrote...

Hi zvbxrpl,
Why not come join us in the Fight for the Love thread. It's the 'official' place we're discussing this stuff

I know the thread.  I've posted a couple times.  I just lurk, no matter the forum.  I might stop on by, though.

[Tirigon]

staldore13 wrote...

NO
and it has nothing to do with homosexuals i have nothing against them i even support homosexual relationships in ME3
but you cant change a predefined character
she didnt show an interest in ME2 and beside the whole interspecies relationship thing she isnt very open minded
just let it be

LOLZ.

Tali DID flirt with my FemShep. It was a stupid Dialogue wheel that forced me not to accept her advances. She WANTED a romance with Shepard.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Gentlemen! Did you forget to remove the head before you buried this thing? Otherwise these topics rise right up out of the ground. Give me the shovel and I'll show you how it is done.

[Tirigon]

ReconTeam wrote...

Gentlemen! Did you forget to remove the head before you buried this thing? Otherwise these topics rise right up out of the ground. Give me the shovel and I'll show you how it is done.

You just dug the skeleton further out of the grave.

Now even the hip is above ground already!

[zvbxrpl]

Tirigon wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...

Gentlemen! Did you forget to remove the head before you buried this thing? Otherwise these topics rise right up out of the ground. Give me the shovel and I'll show you how it is done.

You just dug the skeleton further out of the grave.

Now even the hip is above ground already!

I see what you did there. <_<

[Tirigon]

zvbxrpl wrote...


I see what you did there. <_<

That makes me happy.
It is sad how many hidden jokes are lost to the public on account of, well, being hidden too good.

[staldore13]

Tirigon wrote...

staldore13 wrote...

NO
and it has nothing to do with homosexuals i have nothing against them i even support homosexual relationships in ME3
but you cant change a predefined character
she didnt show an interest in ME2 and beside the whole interspecies relationship thing she isnt very open minded
just let it be

LOLZ.

Tali DID flirt with my FemShep. It was a stupid Dialogue wheel that forced me not to accept her advances. She WANTED a romance with Shepard.

id like to see that
but its pointless all dialoauges for both genders are identical until the point of which they are DIRECTLY speaking of a romantic relationship and that doesnt happen with Tali its the same as saying Miranda or Jack is BIsexual and at least jack is defendable in that regard
and for the last time linking suits is not always sexual she says so herself